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I AM LOSING MY BUSINESS!!! ALL MY DOCS DISAPPEARED 3 WEEKS AGO! why won't anyone from google help me? Report abuse

JDatavault
Level 1
10/30/09
I HAVE DONE EVERY SUGGESTION  POSTED HERE. WHY WON'T SOMEONE FROM GGOOGLE HELP ME FIND MY DOCUMENTS? i DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU. nOW YOU WANT TO CHARGE US TO USE IT TOO? I TURSTED GOOGLE WITH MY MOST PRECIOUS INFORMATION AND IT JUST VANISHED 3 WEEKS AGO AND NO ONE GIVES A DMAN!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE SO CRUEL AND IRRESPONSIBLE?????????
 
I HAVE A FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE ARE MY DOCUMENTS???????????????

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Marie
Google Employee
10/30/09
Hi JDatavault,

Thanks a lot for posting. I've followed up with you outside the group so that we can gather some additional information. 

Cheers,
Marie
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JDatavault
Level 1
10/30/09
Marie... the follow up you sent tonight is the exact same follow up you sent me three weeks ago. The docs are not in the trash, they were never shared.. I did not have apps or an external domain linked I was not sharing them... 15 documents with all my clients extremely private and personal information including the passwords I created to access their accounts have all vanished... This means I cannot perform any work whatsoever on thier projects and thus I canot complete them or get paid... thus my family will lose the income of months of prep work unless someone canhelp me find my documents. Iknow I was STUPID... GALACTICALLY STUPID to trust all this incredibly sensitive to Google docs, but I didnot want it to fall into anyone elses hands  as if I had comitted it to paper. I have been using gogle docs ofr over a year with no issue or problem. This has never happened before... I am not an idiot, I am capable of following all the suggestions posted n this forum and I have done that. This is what I do all day long for three weeks is try and find an answer to what happened to my  data. Please if you can help me and if you can't please stop sending me the same stuff you sent me almost a month ago which a 5th grader of course would have done on day one of this crises.
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jujule
Level 1
11/3/09
did you find a solution or did you commit suicide ?
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JDatavault
Level 1
11/4/09
No, I have not found a solution. Marie is delusional if she thinks that she helped me. Google is by far themost dishonest and rotten company in existance to pretend liek they know what they are doing or that they even have a help desk. NO ONE FROM GOOGLE HAS HELPED ME AT ALL!
 
mARIE, sTEVE WHOEVER ALL THEY DID WAS COPY POSTS OFF THE EXISTING HELP FORUM AND MAIL IT TO ME. geeeeeeeeeeeeeE HOW WONDERFUL! nO, THEY ARE PATHETICALLY UNINFORMED PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE HARM AND DAMAGE THEY HAVE  DONE TO ME!!!
 
IF I EVER GET A CHANCE TO SCREW GOOGLE THE WAY THEY HAVE SCREWED ME.... I WILL!!!!!
 
 
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jujule
Level 1
11/4/09
thats why the google data liberation font exists : http://www.dataliberation.org/

now you can backup your files :/
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emergence
Level 1
11/4/09
If you ever saved that information on your local computer only, anybody would blame you for not keeping a proper backup. Now, don't get me wrong; Google Docs is orders of magnitude more reliable than your computer for sure, but you should still keep a backup of anything important. Although I don't know anything about what your situation is, it is likely that your problem will be solved in a short time, but that can happen most quickly if you work with them like a grown up. Calling people names in all capitals with excessive punctuation is probably not the most favorable mode of communication.

Google benefits when people use their products, so they have to take it seriously when problems do occur. On the other hand, it is completely unreasonable to expect that hundreds of millions of users can get immediate personalized attention for free whenever something out of the ordinary happens. If you do need this kind of immediate attention, they offer ways that you can purchase more customized support - but do not confuse this with wanting "TO CHARGE US TO USE IT TOO". Google Docs is still free. They are giving you something of tremendous value at no cost to you, and just as always it is unwise to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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randy246
Level 1
11/6/09
did you change you email account login or anything like that. If you set up a new email for a login it can move the docs so you cant see them.
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chris6565
Level 1
11/6/09
How can you complain so much about a free service? You managed to run a business and feed your family, for free, and because you didn't back up YOUR BUSINESS (I can use caps lock too) you want some company who didn't receive a penny from you to drop everything and commit resources to solving your problems.  Please allow me to highlight once more that you are paying nothing for this service. Get over yourself, never put all your eggs in one basket, if you have something extremely valuable either buy insurance or back it up.
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JDatavault
Level 1
11/6/09
Yes I took the docs off my computer because they contained sensitive personal information belonging to my clients... I thought it was backed up on Google servers. I didn't want anyone other than me to have access to such personal details.
 
Chris... Google does now charge for the docs... there is a free version and a paid version... but I thank you for your educated and informed and might I add helpful post to my personal crisis. What a lonely and angry jackass you must be to write such harsh criticism to a total stranger without knowing any details or facts involving this month long ordeal for me...
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jujule
Level 1
11/6/09
Does the paid version guarantee your data ? i dont think so
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padib
Level 1
11/7/09
JDatavault, I understand your hurt, but chris and emergence, though harsh, are right.

I mean, it's your business, and since you're serious about it, how long can it take for you to capitalize the purchase of a commercial office suite? And even then, you can modify all your documents locally for free with OpenOffice, which also support MS Office type files. If you want it, just Google it. Hey, if you don't trust them with Docs, at least their search engine can be of use to you.

In reply to "Google Docs is orders of magnitude more reliable than your computer " however, even though Google servers are much less likely to fail than your computer is, and a very small proportion of their users may see data loss, the magnitude of users they have using their services makes it inevitable to have single losses here and there, ratio wise.

Sorry for the damage, but one thing is for sure, courtesy will definitely help you go forward from here on. Try to be polite when asking for help.
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coralie1031
Level 1
11/7/09
I´d question whether there were sabotage or your account hacked.  If you say those documents were so extremely important and sensitive, then it is strange they would disappear when hundreds of thousands of people (at least) are not having those issues with normal, run of the mill, documents. Maybe I´m way off, but it sounds like it could be a case of you doing something...through error or security breach....to screw yourself over.
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ahab
Level 4
Google Docs Guru
11/7/09
JDatavault,
I would like to inform you that I have requested TC Gill to mini-escalate your problem, to draw - once again - attention from the Google Docs Guides.


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Kumabear
Level 1
11/8/09
I'm curious, if it's such sensitive data... Why aren't you encrypting it and keeping it on a secured data storage format?

PGP is exceptional (and free), with Military grade encryption, and the files can be thrown on a thumb drive. Rather than on a public server where anyone with the right skills and / or determination can breach your security anyways.

I hope you get help with the issue. But the way you're going about asking is just making the people that can help you not want to.
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Gill
Top Contributor
Google Docs Guru
11/9/09
<<I would like to inform you that I have requested TC Gill to mini-escalate your problem, to draw - once again - attention from the Google Docs Guides.>> Which I  have done.
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idahospgs
Level 1
11/9/09
It seems that many responses take the attitude that the person who posted this "is getting what he deserved" - either he did something abnormal with his account, or his account go hacked, or he didn't report the problem in a calm and considerate manner, or he should have backed up his data, or he should be paying for a service if he expects help with his problem.  While I find some of the suggestions helpful, I find the attitude behind them rather strange.  Google provides this document creation and editing service (and I'll assume they don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts) and it seems to me that they should have a mechanism in place to recover documents that are "disappeared".  I may be particularly sensitive to this person's plight, since I just logged in and discovered an important document of mine has also gone missing, but I also work for a company that provides a free online service, and we have procedures in place to do our best to recover any vanished data. It seems the minimum a responsible company should do, given that it's certain to happen from time to time.
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Gill
Top Contributor
Google Docs Guru
11/9/09
<< It seems the minimum a responsible company should do, given that it's certain to happen from time to time.>> I agree.

All I can suggest is that you (both of you) consider the possibility that you have a "Jekyll & Hyde account" - which is another area where some feedback from Google is sorely needed.


Somewhere there is a big black hole full of disappeared documents - not only these but also those from people who have "uploaded" docs via the magic email address.
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BlackCow
Level 1
11/10/09
This is a harsh lesson that everyone must learn. Back up your data! It's unfortunate that you had to learn it so harshly.

Remember this one rule, any data that you do not have at least two more backups of is data you do not care about!
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ahab
Level 4
Google Docs Guru
11/10/09
I think JDatavault is right to feel abandoned and disgruntled. As Google states in its 'tour of Google Docs' (http://www.google.com/google-d-s/tour3.html):
"Edit and access from anywhere.

There's nothing to download; you access your documents, spreadsheets and presentations from any computer with an Internet connection and a standard browser. And it's free.

Safely store your work.

Online storage and auto-save mean you needn't fear local hard drive failures or power outages."

This suggests Google Docs is safe to keep your documents, and that downloading - even for backup - isn't necessary. Therefore when something appears to go wrong Google should be of real assistance and not leave someone to oneself. I think the fault is Google's and the info on its websites is misleading when Google fails to help the users in need. 
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Kumabear
Level 1
11/10/09
@idahospgs
In a sense you're right, Google reps should help with a given customers issue. In no manner was I attempting to imply that he "got what he deserved". But he's been carrying on about how sensitive this data is, and that it needed to be secure. Having done a bit of secure work the proper method of handing "secure data" in my head is encryption (with redundant backup, i.e. a thumb drive) on a secured platform (again a thumb drive would suffice). If he loses his password he's SOL, if he doesn't he has a backup in case one of his storage points becomes compromised (in which case he dumps that point, but has a backup to work off of), or otherwise looses the data.

Google Docs is a great system; so was a 5.25" floppy disk. But apparently they have something in common, they both seem to lose data for odd reasons. Again the solution is simple: backup your critical data. It's been a tried and true lesson of the computer industry, everyone has lost weeks or months of work and had to either re-create it (and usually they do it better), or they scrap that project, learn their lesson and keep backups and move on.

I think the main reason his attitude has taken such a beating is because most of the people looking to help others on this forum probably also help others in a professional capacity (i.e. help desk) and they see 100's of contacts like this a week; so they're running to the aid of their fellow techies. Personally while I was doing tech work, I would take my time getting to responses like this, while the people that asked polite, used decent grammar, and were as precise with a description of their problem as they could get, got a little bit ahead in the queue; you do catch more flies with honey than vinegar after all. Eventually in a case like this I'd help him, but it'd probably be towards the end of the day or even the week, just to take the thumbscrews to him a bit. Are the Google reps doing this? I can't say, I'm not one of them but I do know that they're human too.

Personally I have an issue that I've posted about a couple of times in the past few weeks, and I've not had a single response from a Google rep on my incident at all. But I'm not knocking the reps, they're probably pretty overloaded, and the dev team I'm certain is looking at chunks of code and asking themselves "WTF doesn't this work, when it compiles?" There's apparently bugs in the system, and eventually they'll get ironed out, the question is simply how long, unfortunately the answer (that no body wants to hear) is: when it's fixed.

But that's my $25. (Adjusting for inflation.)
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Marie
Google Employee
11/11/09
Hi everyone,

I know this is a lively discussion thread right now and want to jump in and assure you we are working with JDatavault to resolve that issue. We feel these issues are important to address and appreciate you escalating them. 

The forum provides a channel for users to provide help and support for each other. Please try to be empathetic and refrain from harsh comments. I know users appreciate the advice they get from this forum and we want to avoid people feeling attacked.

If anyone else is experiencing this same issue, please start a new thread so we can work with you to resolve your issue as well.

Cheers,
Marie
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