Great. Now I have to respond. http://notthatkindofwolf.tumblr.com/post/135195067425/why-not-to-use-project-elvhen

I was in a group chat with him, and he justifies his view of his nomadic cultures by saying that it’s “anthropologically incorrect” to believe anything else. He suggests that Bioware is “bad at writing” because they bother to make people in cultures that he sees as anthropologically primitive as nuanced and people and criticizes them frequently for being inaccurate.

He personally called me “Patrick” (as in Patrick Weekes) as an insult because I see Solas as a sympathetic character and dared to believe that he might have a redemption arc. He thinks nothing that Solas says can be trusted because he’s “inherently dishonest”, which shows he has very little grasp of Solas’ character, especially as the writers have essentially come out and said the opposite. Additionally, he called me, personally, a bad writer because I didn’t think that the Elven Gods were spirits or anything like Elves in the modern sense.

He’s arrogant, unpleasant, and spent a great deal of time in that chat talking about his own interests while yelling at me and others in the chat for daring to hold conversations about our own interests for even a moment. He said the chat was so people could give him input on the language, but used it as a way to talk down to us and feed his own ego.

It should be noted that for a time that I used his work because I felt I had no alternative and everyone else was using it because it was accessible, but after discovering what sort of person he actually was I quickly stopped using it for moral reasons. If you can divorce the sort of person he is from his language, that’s fine, but there are people out there, like me, who will not use his language for similar reasons, so I wanted to alert them.

We have moved from “I don’t like this guy,” to outright lies. Almost everything this person says is a lie. Yes, I held a group chat to help me with the language, but I didn’t ever say any of these horrible things.

I don’t care if you like me, but I won’t tolerate spreading lies about me - especially heinous ones.

In fact, here is the entire chat log (it’s quite long, just be warned):

FYI: My username is ‘puppy bigby’

[1/27/2015 1:10:57 AM] *** Puppy Bigby has renamed this conversation to “Project Elvhen” ***
[1/27/2015 1:12:30 AM] *** Puppy Bigby added Helig ***
[1/27/2015 1:23:20 AM] *** Puppy Bigby added Jessica Kay (Jaydek) ***
[1/27/2015 1:23:49 AM] Jaydek: Heya, thanks for the add :)
[1/27/2015 7:31:21 AM] Helig: Ooooooooooh, good-good.
[1/27/2015 12:12:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: yah
[2/3/2015 11:42:13 AM] *** Puppy Bigby added Revwinlas (Elwin) ***
[2/8/2015 6:01:21 PM] *** Puppy Bigby added hermaeus mora ***
[2/8/2015 9:48:01 PM] Rennekin: why hello empty chat room
[2/8/2015 9:48:20 PM] *** Jaydek waves ***
[2/8/2015 9:48:30 PM] Rennekin: waves back, hello ~
[2/8/2015 9:48:34 PM] Jaydek: I’m around… mostly XD
[2/8/2015 9:48:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m mostly trying to compile the stuff I’ve done
[2/8/2015 9:48:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Hello.
[2/8/2015 9:48:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: so that everybody is on the same page
[2/8/2015 9:48:58 PM] Rennekin: i am currently dying of housemate plague but otherwise around OTL
[2/8/2015 9:49:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m currently doing homework and working on Art Trade Flemeth.
[2/8/2015 9:49:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I am available.
[2/8/2015 9:49:34 PM] Jaydek: Nice :D
[2/8/2015 9:49:50 PM] Rennekin: oh~! hey miles (:
[2/8/2015 9:50:05 PM] Jaydek: I’m working on a Mass Effect dating sim, but I’m around still ^_^;
[2/8/2015 9:50:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Hey. :)
[2/8/2015 9:50:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I WAS LIKE: I KNOW THAT NAME.
[2/8/2015 9:50:31 PM] Rennekin: xD
[2/8/2015 9:50:56 PM] Rennekin: i can use a different name ?
[2/8/2015 9:51:14 PM] Rennekin: wait you’re working on like you’re making one?
[2/8/2015 9:51:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No, it’s fine. :)
[2/8/2015 9:51:55 PM] Jaydek: Yeah, making one. :)
[2/8/2015 9:52:05 PM] Rennekin: Awesomeeeee
[2/8/2015 9:52:19 PM] Jaydek: https://www.facebook.com/rebelquillgames
[2/8/2015 9:52:45 PM] Rennekin: -click-
[2/8/2015 9:52:46 PM] Jaydek: I wanted to do a DA related one, but the ideas just jumped out for ME, so we went with that instead XD
[2/8/2015 9:53:12 PM] Rennekin: Eheheh nice
[2/8/2015 9:53:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I should start plotting my Really Long Fanfic.
[2/8/2015 9:53:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m trying to figure out the word for nose
[2/8/2015 9:53:36 PM] Rennekin: Ooh? What’s it about?
[2/8/2015 9:54:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Solas. That’s not shocking at all.
[2/8/2015 9:54:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: fun fact:
[2/8/2015 9:54:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: while Solas means pride in Elvhen
[2/8/2015 9:54:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: it means light in Irish
[2/8/2015 9:54:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is the primary language I’m basing Elvhen off of
[2/8/2015 9:54:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: since the phonetics are very similar
[2/8/2015 9:55:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m using a few others, however
[2/8/2015 9:55:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: such as norwegian, finnish and icelandic and welsh
[2/8/2015 9:55:22 PM] Jaydek: Nice :D
[2/8/2015 9:55:26 PM] Rennekin: -nodnodnod-
[2/8/2015 9:55:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes.
[2/8/2015 9:55:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): From a fanfic perspective this is going to be SO intensely useful.
[2/8/2015 9:56:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: in terms of new words I’m working on
[2/8/2015 9:56:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: lav is arm
[2/8/2015 9:56:16 PM] Rennekin: That was the intent, wasn’t it?
[2/8/2015 9:56:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: da'lav is hand
[2/8/2015 9:56:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Having the fragmentary cipher that we have now is pretty useless, especially for someone who focuses so much on Elvhen characters.
[2/8/2015 9:56:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: pretty much
[2/8/2015 9:56:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is that the cipher basically uses english grammar
[2/8/2015 9:56:41 PM] Rennekin: lmao trying to write Sylaise speaking Elvhen I’m just
[2/8/2015 9:56:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: in other words it uses no grammar
[2/8/2015 9:56:51 PM] Rennekin: tosses words in a blender
[2/8/2015 9:56:54 PM] Rennekin: hopes for the best
[2/8/2015 9:56:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[2/8/2015 9:57:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you have ridiculous stuff
[2/8/2015 9:57:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: like one word meaning one thing
[2/8/2015 9:57:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then another
[2/8/2015 9:57:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m just sitting here going, “no. that’s not how language works.”
[2/8/2015 9:57:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ma.
[2/8/2015 9:57:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I hate ma.
[2/8/2015 9:57:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean there’s a difference between the definitions of read, read, reed and red.
[2/8/2015 9:58:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the definitions of animal and potato
[2/8/2015 9:58:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: while Ma is the second personal subjective/nominative/accusative
[2/8/2015 9:58:34 PM] Jaydek: Yeah, I facepalmed when Gaider was like “Well, we just kinda sit around and go "Oh crap, we here a new word in Elvehn… uh… THIS. Done.” XD
[2/8/2015 9:58:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah basically
[2/8/2015 9:58:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: we talked a bit via fanmail
[2/8/2015 9:59:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and he pretty much said that A. he couldn’t help much because of legal stuff, but liked what I was doing
[2/8/2015 9:59:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and B. there wasn’t much rhyme or reason to how they do the language. It’s just a cipher all inside of an excel file
[2/8/2015 9:59:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: having that cipher would help, of course
[2/8/2015 9:59:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: but for obvious reasons they won’t be sharing it anytime soon
[2/8/2015 9:59:58 PM] Jaydek: Ah well… XD
[2/8/2015 10:00:15 PM] Jaydek: Nice to know he likes the project though at least :D
[2/8/2015 10:00:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/8/2015 10:00:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: too bad he quit tumblr
[2/8/2015 10:00:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s good to know he likes it.
[2/8/2015 10:00:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: sad day
[2/8/2015 10:00:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah I saw that.
[2/8/2015 10:00:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I was like oh no.
[2/8/2015 10:00:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t blame him though
[2/8/2015 10:00:41 PM] Rennekin: wait he left tumblr?
[2/8/2015 10:00:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes\
[2/8/2015 10:00:47 PM] Rennekin: pfft
[2/8/2015 10:00:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: he finally got fed up with the morons throwing shit at him
[2/8/2015 10:01:06 PM] Rennekin: which morons?
[2/8/2015 10:01:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): All of them.
[2/8/2015 10:01:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: did you ever read his tumblr?
[2/8/2015 10:01:19 PM | Edited 10:01:29 PM] Jaydek: All of them
[2/8/2015 10:01:20 PM] Jaydek: lol
[2/8/2015 10:01:27 PM] Rennekin: yeah sometimes
[2/8/2015 10:01:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): DRAGON AGE IS 2 PROBLEMATIC
[2/8/2015 10:01:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: i would link you if he didn’t delete it
[2/8/2015 10:01:44 PM] Rennekin: it was mostly just him making ‘i am very good at my job’ posts
[2/8/2015 10:01:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: but he had asks like “WHY DID YOU LET A GUY WRITE SERA?!”
[2/8/2015 10:02:02 PM] Jaydek: I think the lastest batch were people screamin’ at him for Krem not being a LI and etc.
[2/8/2015 10:02:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: or “OH MY GOD HOW DARE YOU LET THE PLAYER ASK TRANSPHOBIC SHIT TO KREM YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!”
[2/8/2015 10:02:11 PM] Rennekin: yyyyeah that thing about sera was a bit ?
[2/8/2015 10:02:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that was the somewhat reasonable ones
[2/8/2015 10:02:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. People are dumb.
[2/8/2015 10:02:34 PM] Jaydek: And the person that kept screaming about no romancable dwarves O_o
[2/8/2015 10:02:36 PM] Jaydek: siiiigh
[2/8/2015 10:02:36 PM] Rennekin: like there was a lot of messed up shit with sera but none of it had anything to do with how her sexuality was handled
[2/8/2015 10:02:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course you also had the ignorant idiots who demanded that Thedas has no sexism whatsoever
[2/8/2015 10:02:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes there was messed up shit with sera
[2/8/2015 10:02:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it was all intentional
[2/8/2015 10:02:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: why?
[2/8/2015 10:02:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: because she’s a person
[2/8/2015 10:02:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): [Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:02 PM] hermaeus mora:

<<< like there was a lot of messed up shit with sera but none of it had anything to do with how her sexuality was handledIt’s her personality.
[2/8/2015 10:03:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Not her sexuality.
[2/8/2015 10:03:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:03:07 PM] Rennekin: eyup
[2/8/2015 10:03:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I felt bad for him because people clearly don’t understand what it’s like to be a writer in a collaborative work.
[2/8/2015 10:03:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: i just want to have a sign that says, “Anthropology,”
[2/8/2015 10:03:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: everytime somebody says that Thedas should have no sexuality or racism I’ll hit them with it
[2/8/2015 10:03:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: graagghhhh
[2/8/2015 10:03:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: no sexism, i mean
[2/8/2015 10:03:47 PM] Rennekin: I’ve heard a lot of stories about how he’s terrible but tbh I’ve not actually seen much evidence of it
[2/8/2015 10:03:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: he’s not terrible
[2/8/2015 10:04:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: what other devs do you know that GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to contact their fans?
[2/8/2015 10:04:09 PM] Rennekin: Like he’s not hit Moffat levels on his 'I am the greatest show master to have ever lived’ or anything
[2/8/2015 10:04:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: AAA devs, anyway
[2/8/2015 10:04:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: he has no opinion of himself like that
[2/8/2015 10:04:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s because he doesn’t take shit
[2/8/2015 10:04:26 PM] Rennekin: Mmmhm I had a small chat with him about trans fenris once
[2/8/2015 10:04:33 PM] Rennekin: And he was super chill about it which was cool
[2/8/2015 10:04:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: and he doesn’t allow you to talk shit about the other people on the Bioware team
[2/8/2015 10:04:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying you’re good at your job.
[2/8/2015 10:04:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m good at writing.
[2/8/2015 10:04:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m good at my job.
[2/8/2015 10:05:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s a statement of fact. It’s not like you’re going IM DA BEST EVAH
[2/8/2015 10:05:06 PM] Rennekin: Nothing wrong with saying you’re good at your job, no ~ That’s not what I was saying, sorry
[2/8/2015 10:05:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean a lot of people just railed on him because when somebody asked him to 'please confirm that fenris is a person of color,“ he basically said, "Fuck off, don’t bring me into your pissing match.”
[2/8/2015 10:05:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I know. Sorry if I came off that way.
[2/8/2015 10:05:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: but in a more polite way
[2/8/2015 10:06:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: he basically said he wasn’t confirming or denying it, and to stop asking him it, because he knew (rightly so) that if gave an answer in either direction, it would used to continue a pissing match
[2/8/2015 10:06:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and some people flipped their fucking shit
[2/8/2015 10:06:26 PM] Rennekin: that's…. a little weird?
[2/8/2015 10:06:39 PM] Rennekin: actually i can see his perspective
[2/8/2015 10:06:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can see it as well
[2/8/2015 10:06:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: and agree with it
[2/8/2015 10:06:46 PM] Rennekin: poc don’t mean the same thing in thedas, so
[2/8/2015 10:06:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: right
[2/8/2015 10:07:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is why the few comments from Vivienne about her skin color kind of made me go, “eh?”
[2/8/2015 10:07:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): [Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 PM] hermaeus mora:

<<< poc don’t mean the same thing in thedas, soBless you for realizing this.
[2/8/2015 10:07:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): You can’t apply our politics to their world, I am sorry.
[2/8/2015 10:07:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: racism requires a lot of things
[2/8/2015 10:07:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: and as far as Dragon Age is, at present
[2/8/2015 10:07:53 PM] Rennekin: i mean i think it’s important to get the representation in though and refusing to say 'yes as you can see his skin is darker’ BUT it could also have changed pigment like this hair presumably did so ooo ooo oo idfk
[2/8/2015 10:07:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: many of those things just aren’t there for POC in thedas
[2/8/2015 10:08:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: not to mentoin that the way the skin color works in Thedas makes me hit my head against the wall
[2/8/2015 10:08:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: while moaning, “MENALIN”
[2/8/2015 10:08:24 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): YES OH MY GOD
[2/8/2015 10:08:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): MENALIN
[2/8/2015 10:08:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m sorry
[2/8/2015 10:08:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: but if people in Rivain are dark skinned
[2/8/2015 10:08:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: people in Thedas
[2/8/2015 10:08:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: are not going to be white as sheets
[2/8/2015 10:08:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s not how menalin works
[2/8/2015 10:09:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: blargh
[2/8/2015 10:09:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: people in Fereldan, i mean
[2/8/2015 10:09:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: i no speak good tonight
[2/8/2015 10:09:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: or type, rather
[2/8/2015 10:09:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. I’ve thought about it before.
[2/8/2015 10:09:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean overall, i don’t care
[2/8/2015 10:09:22 PM] Rennekin: bc they’re on the same longitude?
[2/8/2015 10:09:23 PM] Rennekin: wait
[2/8/2015 10:09:24 PM] Rennekin: latitude?
[2/8/2015 10:09:28 PM] Rennekin: whichever it is idfk
[2/8/2015 10:09:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: they aren’t the same
[2/8/2015 10:09:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they are close enough
[2/8/2015 10:09:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: that the menalin wouldn’t change THAT much
[2/8/2015 10:09:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: it wouldn’t go
[2/8/2015 10:09:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: Dark
[2/8/2015 10:09:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: slightly less dark
[2/8/2015 10:09:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: WHITE AS FUCKING BALLS
[2/8/2015 10:09:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA
[2/8/2015 10:09:55 PM] Rennekin: Also yeah, what comments re: vivienne’s skin did you mean?
[2/8/2015 10:10:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m trying to remember
[2/8/2015 10:10:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are a few, iirc, that she says in various dynamic dialogue
[2/8/2015 10:10:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: about having a hard life because of it
[2/8/2015 10:10:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: maybe she just stated about having a hard life
[2/8/2015 10:10:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: and my memory is just applying her skin color to it retroactively?
[2/8/2015 10:10:40 PM] Rennekin: like in-game dialogue ?
[2/8/2015 10:10:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes
[2/8/2015 10:10:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: the dynamic dialogue you get when you go into areas
[2/8/2015 10:10:51 PM] Rennekin: bizarre
[2/8/2015 10:11:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: such as her dynamic dialogue about the people burning their dead in the Fallow mire
[2/8/2015 10:11:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i might be remembering correcetly
[2/8/2015 10:11:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: regardless, many fans have attributed a similar life to her that a POC would face in our own world
[2/8/2015 10:11:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: which has little basis in anthropological fact
[2/8/2015 10:11:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: unless there is a similar slave trade or other reason for such severe racism that the Bioware team have yet to reveal
[2/8/2015 10:12:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: things such as sexism, ageism, racism, etc
[2/8/2015 10:12:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Worldbuilding wise if she had a hard life it’s probably due to magic.
[2/8/2015 10:12:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: hinge upon specific anthropological factors
[2/8/2015 10:12:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: probably
[2/8/2015 10:12:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: as i said, it could just be my stupid brain applying her skin color to it in hindsight because of fan comments I’ve read
[2/8/2015 10:12:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: the no sexism thing is what gets me
[2/8/2015 10:12:53 PM] Rennekin: okay i’m going through some of her dialogue w cole
[2/8/2015 10:13:04 PM] Rennekin: Cole: “I do hope Duke Bastien puts out the lights before he touches her. But then, she must disappear in the dark.”

that?
[2/8/2015 10:13:28 PM] Rennekin: people in the forums are suggesting it’s a comment about her skin
[2/8/2015 10:13:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: hm. perhaps
[2/8/2015 10:13:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are a few things that make no sense that bioware did
[2/8/2015 10:13:54 PM] Rennekin: I heard it as more of a she needs to be kept a secret thing, though
[2/8/2015 10:14:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: hm.
[2/8/2015 10:14:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: i honestly can’t remember which comment it was now
[2/8/2015 10:14:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: which makes me think my brain is just adding her skin color retroactively
[2/8/2015 10:14:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: but bioware does a lot of weird things, especially in DAI
[2/8/2015 10:14:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: such as their codex entry on sexuality
[2/8/2015 10:14:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): There are some things that people get really out of context with the banter, tho. It happens with Solas 99% of the time.
[2/8/2015 10:14:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/8/2015 10:14:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but their codex on sexuality had me scratching my head
[2/8/2015 10:14:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): LIKE ALL OF HIS BANTERS WITH RAINER AFTER THE REVEAL.
[2/8/2015 10:14:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Same.
[2/8/2015 10:14:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean yay, open and tolerant society
[2/8/2015 10:14:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: but… really?
[2/8/2015 10:14:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: it makes no sense
[2/8/2015 10:15:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Not considering the views we see elsewhere.
[2/8/2015 10:15:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): In game.
[2/8/2015 10:15:19 PM] Rennekin: cole’s banter especially is something you need to decode
[2/8/2015 10:15:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: not only that
[2/8/2015 10:15:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: but also there is a reason why many, many, many cultures view homosexuality as anathema
[2/8/2015 10:15:35 PM] Rennekin: and i really don’t think that line has anything to do with her skin, cole is too poetic for it to mean that
[2/8/2015 10:15:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: in a timeline such as dragon age
[2/8/2015 10:15:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: it makes very little sense
[2/8/2015 10:15:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: that many cultures wouldn’t have kept similar views
[2/8/2015 10:16:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes some cultures, such as Orlais, might be more open to it
[2/8/2015 10:16:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and very social cultures such as the Rivaini or Antivans might actually fully accept, embrace or even encourage it
[2/8/2015 10:16:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ferelden has had arls and stuff where it was considered okay for them to have lovers as long as they still had wives and could have kids
[2/8/2015 10:16:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: well right
[2/8/2015 10:16:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: but I’m talking from an anthropological view
[2/8/2015 10:16:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: not per DA lore
[2/8/2015 10:16:55 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:17:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: at the end of the day
[2/8/2015 10:17:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: regardless of personal feeling
[2/8/2015 10:17:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: the most important thing for a culture is procreation
[2/8/2015 10:17:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: from an anthropological POV anyway
[2/8/2015 10:17:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: hence why many older cultures that did accept homosexuality
[2/8/2015 10:17:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: still expected homosexuals to procreate
[2/8/2015 10:18:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: because the survival of the culture was considered more important than any single person’s feelings on the matter
[2/8/2015 10:18:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: you dissect most religions that are against homosexuality
[2/8/2015 10:18:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and this is the core reason they are against it
[2/8/2015 10:18:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: now mind you
[2/8/2015 10:18:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: I am for sexual freedom
[2/8/2015 10:18:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[2/8/2015 10:18:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: I am against homophobia
[2/8/2015 10:18:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but if you want to create dark heroic fantasy that is based in realism
[2/8/2015 10:18:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: you have to base it realism in every area
[2/8/2015 10:18:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: not just the areas that aren’t too dirty
[2/8/2015 10:19:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: and while I applaud bioware for wanting to make their games more inclusive
[2/8/2015 10:19:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are ways to do that without lighting anthropological fact on fire and shooting it into the sun
[2/8/2015 10:20:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: although i do like that they decided to make it so the chantry has no major issue with homosexuality
[2/8/2015 10:21:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: they made more of an effort in DAI to differentiate it from “Christianity with a female jesus.”
[2/8/2015 10:21:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah that drives me nuts too with their worldbuilding.
[2/8/2015 10:21:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m a write rand I AM writing a dark heroic fantasy.
[2/8/2015 10:21:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And that’s a mistake I wouldn’t make.
[2/8/2015 10:21:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is another reason they use to argue that thedas shoudln’t have sexism
[2/8/2015 10:21:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: or not as much
[2/8/2015 10:21:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: which… makes no sense
[2/8/2015 10:22:01 PM | Edited 10:22:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): BUT not everything is perfect and there are ways in which Dragon Age is beyond the curve in its writing.
[2/8/2015 10:22:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh yes, very much so
[2/8/2015 10:22:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): FOR EXAMPLE as far as traditional character tropes go, they are very good at violating what is expected, especially for female characters.
[2/8/2015 10:22:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes and no
[2/8/2015 10:22:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: sometimes they do it very well
[2/8/2015 10:22:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: and sometimes they beat the cliche horse with the trope stick
[2/8/2015 10:23:31 PM] Rennekin: oooh yeah
[2/8/2015 10:23:35 PM] Rennekin: isabela is mostly just tropes tbh
[2/8/2015 10:23:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/8/2015 10:23:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i  mean she has a few non-tropey characteristics
[2/8/2015 10:23:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: but she could have been such a great character
[2/8/2015 10:24:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: a view into Rivaini society to an extent
[2/8/2015 10:24:10 PM | Edited 10:24:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): She could have, yes.
[2/8/2015 10:24:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and someone who was sexually free
[2/8/2015 10:24:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: but not defined by her sexuality
[2/8/2015 10:24:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but she turned into sexy boob mc legs
[2/8/2015 10:24:41 PM] Rennekin: the loveable sex maniac ~~
[2/8/2015 10:24:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): DA I, for all its issues in writing with other things, has a really solid cast of characters.
[2/8/2015 10:25:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I far, far prefer its characters to that of the first two games.
[2/8/2015 10:25:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: well a few have a few cliche tropes
[2/8/2015 10:25:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the ones that do use those cliches and tropes well
[2/8/2015 10:25:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: instead of using them as a crutch
[2/8/2015 10:25:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Indeed they do.
[2/8/2015 10:25:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: cliches and tropes aren’t necessarily bad
[2/8/2015 10:25:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re written well.
[2/8/2015 10:25:20 PM] Rennekin: i mean she’s deeper than just that, of course, but i sometimes had to dig to find where my headcanons meet her canon characteristics so
[2/8/2015 10:25:21 PM] Rennekin: idfk
[2/8/2015 10:25:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s just that most writers use them as a crutch
[2/8/2015 10:25:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example, the damsel in distress trope isn’t sexist
[2/8/2015 10:25:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: a trope is a tool
[2/8/2015 10:25:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: calling a trope sexist is equivalent to calling a spoon sexist
[2/8/2015 10:25:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I really, really love Solas. Like a lot.
[2/8/2015 10:25:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s just a tool, yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:25:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is that the DID trope is used as a crutch very often
[2/8/2015 10:25:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s the application of that tool that makes it bad.
[2/8/2015 10:26:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: and is often used in sexist ways
[2/8/2015 10:26:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are many times, however, when it’s used very well
[2/8/2015 10:26:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s also the idea that the damsel always has to be a female
[2/8/2015 10:26:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: which isn’t the case
[2/8/2015 10:26:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[2/8/2015 10:26:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Idk. I just like DAI’s cast more because it’s older.
[2/8/2015 10:26:55 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s probably a dumb reason to like it tbh.
[2/8/2015 10:27:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: older in what way?
[2/8/2015 10:27:08 PM] Rennekin: nah that makes sense
[2/8/2015 10:27:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Physically older.
[2/8/2015 10:27:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re more mature and farther down life’s trail so to speak.
[2/8/2015 10:27:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It has a larger scope than DA2.
[2/8/2015 10:27:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: well not all of them
[2/8/2015 10:27:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: sera’s only 20
[2/8/2015 10:27:50 PM] Rennekin: da2 mostly just felt like the teen gang
[2/8/2015 10:28:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I know not all of them, but the ones I consistently have in my party.
[2/8/2015 10:28:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: heh
[2/8/2015 10:28:10 PM] Rennekin: the gang leader crossing off their to-do list
[2/8/2015 10:28:27 PM] Rennekin: i liked it~! but in terms of dragon age
[2/8/2015 10:28:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA. I’m just like Solas, Cassandra Varric why did you even give me more characters I never use them.
[2/8/2015 10:28:36 PM] Rennekin: i think large scale high stakes works best
[2/8/2015 10:29:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): DA I combined the scope of DA O’s plot with the character based wirting of the second game. Except it did it better.
[2/8/2015 10:29:25 PM] Rennekin: I replaced cassandra w vivienne kinda early because I was playing a warrior but hell yea
[2/8/2015 10:29:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Cassandra is my Queen.
[2/8/2015 10:29:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Basically.
[2/8/2015 10:29:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i wasn’t a huge fan of Vivienne from a writing perspective
[2/8/2015 10:29:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think she’s a bit too one note
[2/8/2015 10:29:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I …. agree.
[2/8/2015 10:30:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t even like her as ac haracter tha tmuch.
[2/8/2015 10:30:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I feel kind of bad.
[2/8/2015 10:30:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i would have liked to see more of a range
[2/8/2015 10:30:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially if you get a high approval with her
[2/8/2015 10:30:21 PM] Rennekin: it’s there
[2/8/2015 10:30:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and she begings to open up to you
[2/8/2015 10:30:24 PM] Rennekin: it’s just very subtle
[2/8/2015 10:30:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I’m over here in Fen'Harel Land.
[2/8/2015 10:30:29 PM] Rennekin: because of the nature of orlesian politics
[2/8/2015 10:30:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: well yes it’s there
[2/8/2015 10:30:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: but only in very small amounts
[2/8/2015 10:30:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The potential wasn’t tapped.
[2/8/2015 10:30:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: most of the time, “But it’s subtle,”
[2/8/2015 10:30:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: is an excuse menaing, “I didn’t have enough time to write it well.”
[2/8/2015 10:31:20 PM] Rennekin: I’m pretty sure it was intentionally written to be subtle
[2/8/2015 10:31:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: then they didn’t do it well
[2/8/2015 10:31:36 PM] Rennekin: if you say so
[2/8/2015 10:31:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think Vivienne is supposed to be a subtle character, though.
[2/8/2015 10:31:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like.
[2/8/2015 10:31:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh she definitely is
[2/8/2015 10:31:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think that’s how she’s SURVIVED the Game for so long.
[2/8/2015 10:32:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So it makes sense that her approval arc would be subtle from a writing standpoint.
[2/8/2015 10:32:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh of course
[2/8/2015 10:32:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not saying i don’t understand what they were trying to do
[2/8/2015 10:32:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s just that imho
[2/8/2015 10:32:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: they missed the mark
[2/8/2015 10:32:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Writing is so subjective.
[2/8/2015 10:32:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course
[2/8/2015 10:32:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: well to an extent it is
[2/8/2015 10:33:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: at the end of the day you can’t argue that Twilight is well written
[2/8/2015 10:33:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: :P
[2/8/2015 10:33:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I, for one, think Solas’ personal arc and character were handled expertly, but I know that other people disagree with me and think that he’s boring.
[2/8/2015 10:33:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): True.
[2/8/2015 10:33:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can understand why people would think he’s boring
[2/8/2015 10:33:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t agree
[2/8/2015 10:33:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i can understasnd
[2/8/2015 10:33:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Boring and one dimensional Solas? You have to be out of it to miss the depth in his writing.
[2/8/2015 10:33:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think his arc could have been done BETTER
[2/8/2015 10:33:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: but overall i think it was done very well
[2/8/2015 10:33:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I just have too much headcanon.
[2/8/2015 10:33:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Too much.
[2/8/2015 10:33:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Can’t stop.
[2/8/2015 10:33:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: although it’s hard to see the subtlety of it until the second or third playthrough
[2/8/2015 10:33:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: and its hard to see his full range without romancing him
[2/8/2015 10:34:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): YES that annoyed me.
[2/8/2015 10:34:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is why I think there should have been a platonic route with him for a non-fem elf
[2/8/2015 10:34:14 PM] Rennekin: (i still sometimes laugh at the fact the meyer said that isle esme was off the /west/ coast of brazil)
[2/8/2015 10:34:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He DOES seem very one dimensional if you don’t romance him.
[2/8/2015 10:34:25 PM] Rennekin: (but moving on)
[2/8/2015 10:34:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/8/2015 10:35:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He’s my favorite character in anything ever now and that’s SO pathetic, but I am far, far beyond the point of actually caring.
[2/8/2015 10:35:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: “THE ISLE OF ESME IS IN THE OCEAN OF PERU!”
[2/8/2015 10:35:11 PM] Rennekin: also if you don’t bring him around with you everywhere
[2/8/2015 10:35:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): THE OCEAN OF PERU
[2/8/2015 10:35:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): YES
[2/8/2015 10:35:20 PM] Rennekin: he has a lot of ambient dialogue
[2/8/2015 10:35:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He and Vivienne can’t stand each other and I’m like it’s because ur 2 much alike.
[2/8/2015 10:35:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: i really like that though
[2/8/2015 10:35:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: that the more you travelled with people
[2/8/2015 10:35:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: that more you knew them
[2/8/2015 10:35:45 PM] Rennekin: I brought him everywhere and romanced him my first playthrough
[2/8/2015 10:35:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: unlike DA1
[2/8/2015 10:35:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: where you could just sit there for 30
[2/8/2015 10:35:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: minutes
[2/8/2015 10:35:55 PM] Rennekin: So I got a very strong impression of him straight up
[2/8/2015 10:35:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: and exhaust their entire dialogue tree
[2/8/2015 10:35:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So did I.
[2/8/2015 10:36:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I love him.
[2/8/2015 10:36:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Absolutely adore him.
[2/8/2015 10:36:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m in Solas Hell.
[2/8/2015 10:36:18 PM] Rennekin: Same tbh
[2/8/2015 10:36:31 PM] Rennekin: I have romanced him three times now OTL
[2/8/2015 10:36:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m on my third romance.
[2/8/2015 10:36:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sobs.
[2/8/2015 10:36:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): With him.
[2/8/2015 10:36:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: hrhr
[2/8/2015 10:36:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m like WHAT IF I SAY SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WHAT WILL YOU DO
[2/8/2015 10:36:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: hehe*
[2/8/2015 10:37:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: i honestly hope there is a DLC concerning him somewhat
[2/8/2015 10:37:18 PM] Rennekin: I started replaying that same LAvellan but as a rogue
[2/8/2015 10:37:22 PM] Rennekin: to make different decisions
[2/8/2015 10:37:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And this is why I’m novelizing the game from his perspective kill me.
[2/8/2015 10:37:34 PM] Rennekin: and I started romancing josie but solas was just
[2/8/2015 10:37:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s a neat idea
[2/8/2015 10:37:42 PM] Rennekin: /there/ and I couldn’t ignore him so OTL
[2/8/2015 10:37:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: god josie is just adorable
[2/8/2015 10:37:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Thank you.
[2/8/2015 10:37:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m glad you like it.
[2/8/2015 10:38:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Though there will be a lot of artistic liberty taken.
[2/8/2015 10:38:13 PM] Rennekin: Ooh nice
[2/8/2015 10:38:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: as there should be
[2/8/2015 10:38:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Mostly with the way gender and politics are handled in Thedas etc.
[2/8/2015 10:38:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: no fun in just reading your playthrough of the game from his POV
[2/8/2015 10:38:35 PM] Rennekin: brb my cat is lying in precisely the right position to be used as a pillow
[2/8/2015 10:38:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s one thing I’d like them to go into detail with
[2/8/2015 10:39:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Half the time I just sit here vibrating like I NEED SOMEONE TO BOUNCE THESE HEADCANONS ABOUT ARLATHAN OFF OF
[2/8/2015 10:39:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I have no one to talk to.
[2/8/2015 10:39:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So I just sit there
[2/8/2015 10:39:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like no
[2/8/2015 10:39:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Miles
[2/8/2015 10:39:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Stop.
[2/8/2015 10:39:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: i like the idea of the Qunari being accepting of homosexuality and transexualism
[2/8/2015 10:39:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can bounce ideas off me anytime
[2/8/2015 10:39:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So do I.
[2/8/2015 10:39:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i would like to see Bioware go into detail of why the Qunari accept it
[2/8/2015 10:39:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Same.
[2/8/2015 10:40:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: as there are very strong anthropological reasons why cultures usually don’t accept those things without significant prodding
[2/8/2015 10:40:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The Qun is fascinating.
[2/8/2015 10:40:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: so there’s usually a very strong social or cultural reason for why homosexuality and transexualism would be accepted, or even tolerated
[2/8/2015 10:40:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially given Sten’s reaction to a female warden
[2/8/2015 10:40:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Qun seems very rigid
[2/8/2015 10:41:03 PM] Rennekin: okay back
[2/8/2015 10:41:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:41:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to know more about why.
[2/8/2015 10:41:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: so why “No you are a warrior.”
[2/8/2015 10:41:21 PM] Rennekin: ALSO IF YOU EVER WANNA BOUNCE ARLATHAN IDEAS AROUND ~~~ wink wink nudge
[2/8/2015 10:41:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but, “you don’t identify with the gender we assigned you? k.”
[2/8/2015 10:41:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: without context it seems very inconsistent
[2/8/2015 10:41:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i do like the idea
[2/8/2015 10:41:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: that the culture that is viewed as the most rigid
[2/8/2015 10:41:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I will talk about Arlathan any time
[2/8/2015 10:41:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: would be the most accepting of sexuality, homosexuality and transexualism
[2/8/2015 10:42:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Especially since I have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IDEA ABOUT THE GODS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS THAN LIKE ALL OF WHAT IS SHOWN IN FANFICTION
[2/8/2015 10:42:26 PM] Rennekin: I’m in the process of writing ambient dialogue for Bull and my Warden for the companion meme thing
[2/8/2015 10:42:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And really dislike this whole no Fen'Harel hated them all thing.
[2/8/2015 10:42:36 PM] Rennekin: and they talk about gender and stuff
[2/8/2015 10:42:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: although given their age
[2/8/2015 10:42:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think the elves of arlathan
[2/8/2015 10:42:52 PM] Rennekin: and how for the Qunari gender is associated with the three Ari-whatevers
[2/8/2015 10:42:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: would have not only accepted homosexuality and transexualism
[2/8/2015 10:43:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: but encouraged it to an extent (as much as it can be encouraged, of course)
[2/8/2015 10:43:19 PM] Rennekin: What are your ideas about the gods?
[2/8/2015 10:43:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah tbh that’s why I headcanon Solas as not giving a fuck about that kind of thing.
[2/8/2015 10:43:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He’s like lol why would I care.
[2/8/2015 10:43:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: and to an extent
[2/8/2015 10:43:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think the dalish clans would kind of vary on that
[2/8/2015 10:43:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: you would get some clans that would be okay with it
[2/8/2015 10:43:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Depending on where they live.
[2/8/2015 10:43:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: others that would be like “No. we need new blood, you stop that.”
[2/8/2015 10:43:46 PM] Rennekin: I still think the Dalish would have very loose gender roles
[2/8/2015 10:43:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think it would very much depend on the clan
[2/8/2015 10:44:00 PM] Rennekin: Oh yeah, for sure
[2/8/2015 10:44:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to many indigenous peoples of our world
[2/8/2015 10:44:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think you would have a large variance to an extent
[2/8/2015 10:44:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you would have dalish clans on one end of the spectrum
[2/8/2015 10:44:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My ideas of the gods are basically: No Mythal and Fen'Harel were never lovers also Andruil didn’t have a thing for Fen'Harel also they’re more complex than ELGAR'NAN ANGRY BAD GUY.
[2/8/2015 10:44:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: that would be completely supportive of it
[2/8/2015 10:44:31 PM] Rennekin: Those are all head canons we share
[2/8/2015 10:44:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then on the other spectrum, clans that wouldn’t necessarily condemn it
[2/8/2015 10:44:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: but woudln’t condone it either
[2/8/2015 10:44:50 PM] Rennekin: That makes sense
[2/8/2015 10:44:55 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I do think that Mythal and fen'harel share a very strong love bond but like – it’s not romantic in the slightest.
[2/8/2015 10:45:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i find it interesting for that to be a topic that might come up at Arlathvhen
[2/8/2015 10:45:18 PM] Rennekin: I didn’t actually know that was something people shipped but
[2/8/2015 10:45:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh tons of people ship it from what I’ve seen
[2/8/2015 10:45:28 PM] Rennekin: I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised to learn that the fandom ship something
[2/8/2015 10:45:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’ve seen it before. But I’ve read so much Solas fic.
[2/8/2015 10:45:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: i wouldn’t say it’s platonic
[2/8/2015 10:45:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think familial is closer
[2/8/2015 10:45:52 PM] Rennekin: I definitely didn’t get a romantic or sexual read but
[2/8/2015 10:45:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: not so much mother/son
[2/8/2015 10:45:55 PM] Rennekin: I usually don’t so lmao
[2/8/2015 10:45:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: but brother/sister
[2/8/2015 10:46:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I guess. I’m just trying to look for a word for “really strong nonsexual and romantic love”
[2/8/2015 10:46:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It reminds me of how I feel for my best friend and we’re like really close siblings.
[2/8/2015 10:46:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/8/2015 10:46:24 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Super close.
[2/8/2015 10:46:38 PM] Rennekin: companionate ?
[2/8/2015 10:46:50 PM] Rennekin: in terms of the love triangle theory thingy
[2/8/2015 10:46:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Also tbh Solas wouldn’t be so pissed and hurt by them if he didn’t love them all in some way at some point.
[2/8/2015 10:47:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: mutual devotion
[2/8/2015 10:47:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They “considered him kin”.
[2/8/2015 10:47:25 PM] Rennekin: I always headcanoned that they were all friends are some point
[2/8/2015 10:47:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think friends is going a bit far
[2/8/2015 10:47:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps cordial to one another
[2/8/2015 10:48:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the vibe i get is that some were outright hostile to each other
[2/8/2015 10:48:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: if polite in social gatherings
[2/8/2015 10:48:17 PM] Rennekin: They didn’t start they way, though
[2/8/2015 10:48:34 PM] Rennekin: As they started getting more powerful and such, they obviously changed
[2/8/2015 10:48:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The gods have really dual natures.
[2/8/2015 10:48:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re not… Mages or Spirits or whatever.
[2/8/2015 10:48:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re kind of both and neither at once.
[2/8/2015 10:49:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Solas actually says so himself if you drink from the Well of Sorrows when he gets pissed at you.
[2/8/2015 10:49:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they were originally elves
[2/8/2015 10:49:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: not sure if all of them were mages
[2/8/2015 10:49:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: but eventually they became more
[2/8/2015 10:49:29 PM] Rennekin: Fen'Harel saw them changing and probably tried to warn them, but it would have taken a while before they reached that point
[2/8/2015 10:49:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Cole says Fen'Harel exists in “both places”
[2/8/2015 10:49:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Which means he has a never dying fade spirit aspect of himself.
[2/8/2015 10:50:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I THINK that’s because he was “born” or whatever before the Veil was a thing.
[2/8/2015 10:50:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i actually think that they are similar to 'good’ abominations
[2/8/2015 10:50:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: like wynne
[2/8/2015 10:50:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: or most seekers
[2/8/2015 10:50:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: to an extent
[2/8/2015 10:50:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: but on a higher level
[2/8/2015 10:50:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I never got that vibe but WE SHALL SEE different headcanons before stuff is confirmed is fun.
[2/8/2015 10:50:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^^
[2/8/2015 10:51:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t think they were ever really mortals in the sense we know them.
[2/8/2015 10:51:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they were
[2/8/2015 10:51:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: ecause they had to start somewhere
[2/8/2015 10:51:48 PM] Rennekin: mm, I think for Elgar'nan and Mythal it was a different story
[2/8/2015 10:51:54 PM] Rennekin: But the others were elves in my opinion
[2/8/2015 10:52:19 PM] Rennekin: Elves who grew very powerful through various means, rose to worship and then it all fell apart from there
[2/8/2015 10:52:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I find it interesting that there’s more wolf symbolism coupled with Mythal than other symbolism.
[2/8/2015 10:53:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like.
[2/8/2015 10:53:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Fen'Harel and Mythal are tied at the hip.
[2/8/2015 10:53:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to know why.
[2/8/2015 10:53:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i think that’s a few things
[2/8/2015 10:53:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: #1 tied with fen'harel
[2/8/2015 10:53:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: #2 lack of variance in elvish resources in game dev
[2/8/2015 10:54:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: #3. wolves are often viewed in many cultures as a symbol of justice or revenge or protection
[2/8/2015 10:54:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: remember that the temple was built during the height of arlathan
[2/8/2015 10:54:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the lore heavily implies
[2/8/2015 10:54:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: that Fen'harel didn’t get his reputation of 'dread wolf,’
[2/8/2015 10:54:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: until AFTER the fall of arlathan
[2/8/2015 10:54:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:54:49 PM] Rennekin: yyyeah see i always through the wolf statues around the emerald graves were there because of the emerald knights
[2/8/2015 10:54:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is implied that his name wasn’t even Fen'Harel
[2/8/2015 10:54:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: because the elvish word Harel
[2/8/2015 10:54:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: was invented by the dalish
[2/8/2015 10:55:05 PM] Rennekin: but then they use the same wolf statue for fen'harel in mythal’s temple
[2/8/2015 10:55:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: or by elvish slaves
[2/8/2015 10:55:10 PM] Rennekin: so i think the devs just got
[2/8/2015 10:55:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: or such is the implication
[2/8/2015 10:55:13 PM] Rennekin: kinda lazy
[2/8/2015 10:55:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is
[2/8/2015 10:55:20 PM] Rennekin: well not lazy but
[2/8/2015 10:55:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 10:55:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: but when you have a AAA game
[2/8/2015 10:55:24 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I know.
[2/8/2015 10:55:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: you still have finite resources
[2/8/2015 10:55:29 PM] Rennekin: they just reused the same textures and stuff a lot
[2/8/2015 10:55:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They said Harel comes from Helathin right?
[2/8/2015 10:55:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: ummm
[2/8/2015 10:55:43 PM] Rennekin: mmm i think so
[2/8/2015 10:55:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m trying to remember
[2/8/2015 10:55:45 PM] Rennekin: something like that
[2/8/2015 10:55:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but something similar
[2/8/2015 10:55:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically it comes from the word for rebellion
[2/8/2015 10:55:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I wonder what his name was.
[2/8/2015 10:56:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Fen something.
[2/8/2015 10:56:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps Fen'harillen
[2/8/2015 10:56:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh.
[2/8/2015 10:56:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Hey.
[2/8/2015 10:56:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I like that.
[2/8/2015 10:56:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: harillen means opposition or rebellion
[2/8/2015 10:56:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The Contrarian Of the Elvhen Pantheon
[2/8/2015 10:57:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are a few possibilities
[2/8/2015 10:57:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: he could be a literal rebel
[2/8/2015 10:57:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. his knowledge on slaves
[2/8/2015 10:57:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: could stem from him either being a slave and rebellion
[2/8/2015 10:57:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: or leading the slaves to rebel
[2/8/2015 10:57:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): You mean his freedom obsession.
[2/8/2015 10:57:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: remember that it’s heavily implied
[2/8/2015 10:57:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Which he has.
[2/8/2015 10:57:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: that Arlathan wasn’t conquered by Tevinter
[2/8/2015 10:57:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: but rather fell to a massive civil war
[2/8/2015 10:57:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I know.
[2/8/2015 10:57:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[2/8/2015 10:57:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Stuff Abelas says.
[2/8/2015 10:58:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Esp. if Dorian is there to be like
[2/8/2015 10:58:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): WUT
[2/8/2015 10:58:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: i like the idea to leave it kind of vague
[2/8/2015 10:58:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: thus you have the distinct possibility
[2/8/2015 10:58:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: that in such a conflict
[2/8/2015 10:58:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: Tevinter could have been the GOOD GUYS
[2/8/2015 10:58:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: well as good as you can be in war
[2/8/2015 10:59:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: so he could have either been a rebel like that
[2/8/2015 10:59:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: or
[2/8/2015 10:59:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: another possibility
[2/8/2015 10:59:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: was that he was a good opposition to the pantheon
[2/8/2015 10:59:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. he was their police of a sort
[2/8/2015 10:59:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: keeping them in check
[2/8/2015 10:59:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think the former is more likely
[2/8/2015 10:59:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the second is possible
[2/8/2015 11:00:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I tend to think stuff like “why not both”.
[2/8/2015 11:00:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I develop really complex headcanons.
[2/8/2015 11:00:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: both is also possible
[2/8/2015 11:00:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I extrapolate on canon, though, so it’s not like it comes out of nowhere.
[2/8/2015 11:00:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps a self-promoted overseer of a sorts
[2/8/2015 11:00:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: could explain his name Solas
[2/8/2015 11:00:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: which i think was chosen by him
[2/8/2015 11:00:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not given to him
[2/8/2015 11:00:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think he sort of stood behind Mythal whispering things into her ear like an adviser.
[2/8/2015 11:00:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. in his arrogance, he believed he knew better than the rest of the pantheon
[2/8/2015 11:01:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sort of the power behind the throne in a way.
[2/8/2015 11:01:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i think each god was a ruler of their own kingdom of a sorts
[2/8/2015 11:01:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah with the mirrors.
[2/8/2015 11:01:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: with perhaps Mythal/Elgar'nan being an empress/emperor of sorts
[2/8/2015 11:01:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Eluvian.
[2/8/2015 11:01:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: cause Elvhenan covered all of thedas
[2/8/2015 11:01:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes it did.
[2/8/2015 11:01:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and all of thedas is friggin MASSIVE
[2/8/2015 11:01:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’ve thought about this a lot and I wonder
[2/8/2015 11:01:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): if he was an exception to the we each rule our own land rule.
[2/8/2015 11:02:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): If he DID
[2/8/2015 11:02:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): 10 guesses that it’s in the modern dales.
[2/8/2015 11:02:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example
[2/8/2015 11:02:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: denerim has been said to be the size of middle ages london
[2/8/2015 11:03:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:03:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Elvhenan was a large, sprawling empire.
[2/8/2015 11:03:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’ve thought so much about what their culture was like.
[2/8/2015 11:03:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Really advanced.
[2/8/2015 11:04:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Modern Thedas has seen nothing like it.
[2/8/2015 11:04:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: well let’s say denerim was 600 sq miles
[2/8/2015 11:04:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: h/o
[2/8/2015 11:04:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: doing maths
[2/8/2015 11:15:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: alright
[2/8/2015 11:15:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: so with rough math
[2/8/2015 11:15:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: thedas would be ROUGHLY ( and stress roughly)
[2/8/2015 11:15:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: between 600,000 and 900,000 sq miles
[2/8/2015 11:16:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well then.
[2/8/2015 11:16:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: so not MASSIVE
[2/8/2015 11:16:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: but still almost the entirety of western europe
[2/8/2015 11:16:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah that’s
[2/8/2015 11:16:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Large.
[2/8/2015 11:17:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think about how advanced they were.
[2/8/2015 11:17:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: on the low scale
[2/8/2015 11:17:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Tevinter couldn’t even figure out their stuff.
[2/8/2015 11:17:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re looking at the entire area of france, germany, portugal and spain
[2/8/2015 11:17:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: which in terms of empires
[2/8/2015 11:17:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a huge area
[2/8/2015 11:17:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I know.
[2/8/2015 11:17:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: very very few empires have succeeded to be that large
[2/8/2015 11:17:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: and none that large have lasted
[2/8/2015 11:18:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: the most successful was of course Great Britain
[2/8/2015 11:18:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: but their empire wasn’t all connected
[2/8/2015 11:18:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: the largest fully connected empire was Rome
[2/8/2015 11:18:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: greece came close
[2/8/2015 11:19:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[2/8/2015 11:19:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: and Arlathan had an empire that large
[2/8/2015 11:19:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: that lasted for almost 7000 years
[2/8/2015 11:19:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s longer than the entirety of western civilization
[2/8/2015 11:19:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sometimes I think about how old Solas is
[2/8/2015 11:19:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and I laugh.
[2/8/2015 11:19:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: well 7000 is only to the founding of arlathan
[2/8/2015 11:19:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: who knows how old Elvhenan was when Arlathan was founded
[2/8/2015 11:20:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, really.
[2/8/2015 11:20:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: if Arlathan was near the middle
[2/8/2015 11:20:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: even near the beginning
[2/8/2015 11:20:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: we could be looking at a civilization
[2/8/2015 11:20:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: that lasted 10,000 years
[2/8/2015 11:20:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: which, from an anthropological standpoint
[2/8/2015 11:20:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: is fucking INSANE
[2/8/2015 11:20:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Do you think it was continuous or was it like Egypt where they got conqured sometimes and had to have different eras?
[2/8/2015 11:21:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think a more appropriate comparison is Babylon
[2/8/2015 11:21:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yes, i think like Egypt
[2/8/2015 11:21:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: they went through changes
[2/8/2015 11:21:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well, yeah. I was just using Egypt because of all the “periods”.
[2/8/2015 11:21:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: well Babylon had similar periods
[2/8/2015 11:21:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: they’re just not as famous
[2/8/2015 11:21:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No, they are not.
[2/8/2015 11:21:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they were a more impressive empire than Egypt was
[2/8/2015 11:21:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Why not?
[2/8/2015 11:21:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They should be.
[2/8/2015 11:21:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they lasted longer than Egypt, iirc
[2/8/2015 11:22:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They did.
[2/8/2015 11:22:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Egypt stole things from them.
[2/8/2015 11:23:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to know what Elvhenan culture was like.
[2/8/2015 11:23:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: well the later periods did, yes
[2/8/2015 11:23:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So badly.
[2/8/2015 11:23:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: but Egypt is older than Babylonia
[2/8/2015 11:23:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think about it all the time.
[2/8/2015 11:23:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It would inform so much of how a character like SOlas acts.
[2/8/2015 11:23:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: elvhenan culture is something i’ll be working on once I get elvhen to a workable state
[2/8/2015 11:24:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But it’s so hard to go back and extrapolate what a culture was like from what two or three people act like.
[2/8/2015 11:24:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: well from an anthropological point of view
[2/8/2015 11:24:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can do some educated guesswork
[2/8/2015 11:24:42 PM | Edited 11:24:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ESPECIALLY since you’d only really get the culture of the upper class and a very specific  religious sect from them.
[2/8/2015 11:25:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I tend not to trust the Dalish as a benchmark of anything, though.
[2/8/2015 11:25:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): This is all stuff I HAVE to know to novelize the game from the pov of an ancient Elf.
[2/8/2015 11:26:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: well the dalish are their own culure
[2/8/2015 11:26:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: culture
[2/8/2015 11:26:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes, I know.
[2/8/2015 11:26:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you can extrapolate abit of elvhenan from them
[2/8/2015 11:26:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: but for the most part
[2/8/2015 11:27:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, for the most part it’s not applicable, especially since there would be so much variance between them depending on where they live.
[2/8/2015 11:27:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s like trying to get an idea of Yuan dynasty from studying the mongols
[2/8/2015 11:27:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:28:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So Solas and Abelas are my best bet.
[2/8/2015 11:28:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): From which I’ve gathered a few things, actually.
[2/8/2015 11:28:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/8/2015 11:29:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The first is that you swore yourself to a specific religious sect.
[2/8/2015 11:29:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And that the nobles and all their holdings were then dedicated to that sect of the faith.
[2/8/2015 11:30:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They had crazy architecture and made things out to be more complicated than they probably had to be.
[2/8/2015 11:30:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Art was an expression of their gods more than anything else.
[2/8/2015 11:30:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It wasn’t really so much for the common people.
[2/8/2015 11:30:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is common in many empires
[2/8/2015 11:30:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: the proletariate are relegated to the grunt work
[2/8/2015 11:31:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and most culture, music and art is something done (or patronized) by the upper classes
[2/8/2015 11:31:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: you see this in both ancient rome
[2/8/2015 11:31:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: ancient greece
[2/8/2015 11:31:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: and rennaisaince period europe
[2/8/2015 11:32:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I am aware, of course.
[2/8/2015 11:33:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Specifically, Fresco was a thing and so was mosaic and statuary.
[2/8/2015 11:33:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sculpture, I should say.
[2/8/2015 11:33:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The style is minimalistic and very heavy in symbolism.
[2/8/2015 11:33:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s not literal at all.
[2/8/2015 11:33:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/8/2015 11:33:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, the elves of arlathan
[2/8/2015 11:34:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: were definitely poetically inferential in their art and their language
[2/8/2015 11:34:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): As a culture, they seem to put A LOT of stock in the symbolic.
[2/8/2015 11:34:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Even the way Solas speaks.
[2/8/2015 11:34:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It gives credence to that.
[2/8/2015 11:34:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/8/2015 11:35:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Also – Their religion didn’t seem to be as much about actually worshipping their gods as trying to get favors from them????
[2/8/2015 11:35:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Their gods were more like
[2/8/2015 11:35:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Eternal and powerful rulers
[2/8/2015 11:35:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): than anything else.
[2/8/2015 11:35:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/8/2015 11:35:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They worship their gods because their gods are powerful and can give them stuff.
[2/8/2015 11:36:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They certainly do have … military aspect to their culture.
[2/8/2015 11:36:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Especially if you fight in the service of a god.
[2/8/2015 11:37:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Annnnnnd age is important.
[2/8/2015 11:37:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The older you are the more knowledgeable you are.
[2/8/2015 11:37:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The more referential your treatment is.
[2/8/2015 11:37:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/8/2015 11:37:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially since immortality is a thing
[2/8/2015 11:37:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[2/8/2015 11:38:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is another reason why I think they would fully accept homosexuality and transexuality
[2/8/2015 11:38:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: because when you don’t have a continous die off
[2/8/2015 11:38:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: procreation not only doesn’t become as important
[2/8/2015 11:38:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: but you might actually want to discrouage it during certain times
[2/8/2015 11:38:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:38:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think in a culture like that.
[2/8/2015 11:39:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): You probably have designated times when people go to uthenera en masse.
[2/8/2015 11:39:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And then other times when people are encouraged to procreate.
[2/8/2015 11:41:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Animals are important.
[2/8/2015 11:41:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I should have mentioned that sooner.
[2/8/2015 11:41:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They MEAN THINGS~
[2/8/2015 11:42:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/8/2015 11:42:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Also hunting.
[2/8/2015 11:42:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Being a worshiper of different gods means different things.
[2/8/2015 11:42:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): We know kind of what the cult of mythal looks like.
[2/8/2015 11:42:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Her worship was very… witchy.
[2/8/2015 11:42:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): All about give and take.
[2/8/2015 11:43:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But then we also have an idea of worship of ANdruil and Sylaise.
[2/8/2015 11:43:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I wonder about the worship of the other gods a lot.
[2/8/2015 11:43:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ANd the Forgotten Ones.
[2/8/2015 11:43:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Hoo boy do I want to know about the Forgotten Ones.
[2/8/2015 11:43:49 PM] Rennekin: (whispers kossith)
[2/8/2015 11:44:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah?
[2/8/2015 11:44:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): … Yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:44:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah!
[2/8/2015 11:45:17 PM] Rennekin: Oh, uh, I just have a headcanon that the Forgotten Ones either are, or are responsible for, the Kossith
[2/8/2015 11:45:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah!
[2/8/2015 11:45:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I was just reading their codex etc.
[2/8/2015 11:45:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That makes sense.
[2/8/2015 11:45:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The Kossith fled their homeland because of some people who didn’t look like them.
[2/8/2015 11:46:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: hmm
[2/8/2015 11:46:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I wish we knew more. It really annoys me.
[2/8/2015 11:46:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to know more about why Fen'Harel seems to have statues in every major temple we see in game.
[2/8/2015 11:46:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I love the Temple of Dirthamen so much.
[2/8/2015 11:47:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think the major reason is art resources :P
[2/8/2015 11:47:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well, yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:47:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: plus again
[2/8/2015 11:47:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think you have to remember that this is before the fall of arlathan
[2/8/2015 11:47:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is entirely possible
[2/8/2015 11:47:20 PM] Rennekin: That Temple was my favourite thing to explore tbh
[2/8/2015 11:47:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: that wolves were not so close associated with him at that time
[2/8/2015 11:47:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I was like LOOK IT’S FALON'DIN
[2/8/2015 11:47:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): NO ONE IS SURPRISED TO FIND THIS HERE
[2/8/2015 11:47:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: but were rather an important symbol of the elves
[2/8/2015 11:48:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: remember that the statues of the wolves in the dales
[2/8/2015 11:48:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: were actually not of fen'harel
[2/8/2015 11:48:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I know.
[2/8/2015 11:48:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: but rather the companion wolves of the emerald knights
[2/8/2015 11:48:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Everyone thinks they are and it annoys me.
[2/8/2015 11:48:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The statues in and around Mythal’s temple of WOlves are of him though because of that whole
[2/8/2015 11:48:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Wolf conversation.
[2/8/2015 11:48:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): At the statue.
[2/8/2015 11:49:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think they all are
[2/8/2015 11:49:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: that one statue is
[2/8/2015 11:49:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i think that perhaps wolves had a very important conotation in elvish society
[2/8/2015 11:49:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think fen'harel took the persona of a wolf
[2/8/2015 11:49:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: because of that
[2/8/2015 11:49:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not the other way around
[2/8/2015 11:50:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah?
[2/8/2015 11:50:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): AN interesting idea.
[2/8/2015 11:50:19 PM] Rennekin: fen'harel also isn’t the only one who gets wolf imagery
[2/8/2015 11:50:25 PM] Rennekin: ghilan'nain and dirthamen also have wolf imagery
[2/8/2015 11:50:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/8/2015 11:50:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I, again, disagree with you that they all started out as Elves.
[2/8/2015 11:50:35 PM] Rennekin: and mythal
[2/8/2015 11:50:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: mythal also has draconic imagery
[2/8/2015 11:51:16 PM] Rennekin: falon'din, ghilan'nain, and andruil also all have owl imagery
[2/8/2015 11:51:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to make an alternative titularture for Fen'Harel.
[2/8/2015 11:51:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): One that might have existed during Arlathan.
[2/8/2015 11:52:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Trees are important to Elvhen, too.
[2/8/2015 11:52:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): There’s tree imagery in a lot of places.
[2/8/2015 11:52:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Trees, Owls, Wolves, Dragons.
[2/8/2015 11:53:31 PM] Rennekin: also bears and ravens for dirth, deer/halla/stag thingy for ghilan and falon
[2/8/2015 11:53:34 PM] Rennekin: lots of animal stuff
[2/8/2015 11:53:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: hare for andruil
[2/8/2015 11:53:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I know.
[2/8/2015 11:53:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: as well as hawk
[2/8/2015 11:53:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and hawk
[2/8/2015 11:53:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): hare and hawk
[2/8/2015 11:53:48 PM] Rennekin: ye
[2/8/2015 11:54:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah, I tend to think that they kind of just sprung into existence that way and that they’re called the Creators because they found the Elvhen that existed after the Fade and Physical Reality were cut off from each other and society sprung up around them.
[2/8/2015 11:55:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So they’re not the Creators of the world, but Creators of Elvhen society.
[2/8/2015 11:55:17 PM] Rennekin: I have a kindof WIP head canon about Andruil, June, and Sylaise
[2/8/2015 11:55:24 PM] Rennekin: bc June is said to have created himself
[2/8/2015 11:55:34 PM] Rennekin: so I think it’s plausible that he low-key created Andruil and Sylaise as well
[2/8/2015 11:55:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ANd there are certainly GROUPS in the Pantheon like – June, Sylaise and Andruil are related.
[2/8/2015 11:55:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Falon'Din and Dirthamen, while not related, are RELATED.
[2/8/2015 11:55:58 PM] Rennekin: because the three of them kindof make up a spectrum of creation and destruction
[2/8/2015 11:56:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ANd then Ghilan'nain is connected to Andruil.
[2/8/2015 11:56:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And then you have Elgar'Nan and Mythal.
[2/8/2015 11:56:26 PM] Rennekin: Yeah for sure
[2/8/2015 11:56:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And Fen'harel off in his loser corner.
[2/8/2015 11:56:44 PM] Rennekin: in the cone of shame
[2/8/2015 11:56:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Fen'Harel in the cone of shame.
[2/8/2015 11:56:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Perfect.
[2/8/2015 11:57:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/8/2015 11:57:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: well that’s enough new words for tonight
[2/8/2015 11:57:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: my brain is like 'nope’
[2/8/2015 11:57:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ha ha ha.
[2/8/2015 11:57:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m at 489 words
[2/8/2015 11:57:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think so far, bioware has created 300 something?
[2/8/2015 11:57:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: 200 something?
[2/8/2015 11:57:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: one of the two
[2/8/2015 11:58:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i’ve created about 100-150 new words so far
[2/8/2015 11:58:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: have a lot more to go though
[2/8/2015 11:58:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh man I just really want to come up with an applicable version of history and culture for my headcanon. I NEED to figure out what I think they came from.
[2/8/2015 11:58:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: it will take about 1000 for it to be a working conlang
[2/8/2015 11:58:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/8/2015 11:58:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s impressive.
[2/8/2015 11:58:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Very.
[2/8/2015 11:58:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: thanks :3
[2/8/2015 11:58:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): All I know is
[2/8/2015 11:58:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “they’re not gods”
[2/8/2015 11:58:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Thanks Solas!
[2/9/2015 12:00:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m using a conlang program for the language
[2/9/2015 12:00:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: but given that everybody using it would be confusing
[2/9/2015 12:01:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: too many cooks and all that
[2/9/2015 12:01:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m trying to figure out a way to compile it
[2/9/2015 12:01:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: but the spreadsheet export component sucks
[2/9/2015 12:01:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: and doesn’t export it correctly
[2/9/2015 12:01:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: conjugations and declensions are all messed up
[2/9/2015 12:01:48 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ew.
[2/9/2015 12:01:50 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to help you.
[2/9/2015 12:02:27 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Can I ask your reasoning for thinking they were just mages turned into something more? Your Abomination theory?
[2/9/2015 12:02:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: comes from the idea that dreamers were common in arlathan’
[2/9/2015 12:02:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: so that perhaps they were very powerful dreamers
[2/9/2015 12:03:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: that connected with spirits in a way
[2/9/2015 12:03:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: kind of like wynne
[2/9/2015 12:03:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: or like seekers, but on a higher level
[2/9/2015 12:03:40 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I saw more of a connection to how Archdemons and Blighted Magisters work, but in a non corrupted way.
[2/9/2015 12:04:08 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Corypheus, for example, can split his soul and put it into things so that he can be resurrected infinite times.
[2/9/2015 12:04:13 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Flemeth does something similar.
[2/9/2015 12:04:35 AM | Edited 12:04:44 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Even after their physical bodies cease, their essences can be transferred.
[2/9/2015 12:04:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/9/2015 12:04:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: i mean right now we know so little
[2/9/2015 12:04:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: that most theories are just that
[2/9/2015 12:04:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: with little educated guessing
[2/9/2015 12:05:00 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[2/9/2015 12:05:19 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So I always kind of thought they were created from the seat of the golden city along with whatever the “titans” are.
[2/9/2015 12:05:24 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sort of a proto creation.
[2/9/2015 12:05:44 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And that they Veil had to be created because the SUN SCORCHES THE EARTH thing is actually allegory for the Blight.
[2/9/2015 12:05:53 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So they’re actually the survivors of a time before the Veil.
[2/9/2015 12:05:57 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Before the Blight.
[2/9/2015 12:06:09 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And everything else had to be remade.
[2/9/2015 12:06:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: eh
[2/9/2015 12:06:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: to be honest that’s a bit too high fantasty fo rme
[2/9/2015 12:06:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: at most
[2/9/2015 12:06:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think they are similar to the valar of Lord of the RIngs
[2/9/2015 12:07:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: or the maiar
[2/9/2015 12:07:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: but while i don’t dislike your idea
[2/9/2015 12:07:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: idon’t think it fits with the type of fantasy aesthetic dragon age is going for
[2/9/2015 12:08:24 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t really agree with you, but that’s okay.
[2/9/2015 12:08:38 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think it fits pretty well with some of the underlying themes.
[2/9/2015 12:08:40 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh well.
[2/9/2015 12:08:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/9/2015 12:08:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: WARSWERESTARTEDFORLESS!!!!
[2/9/2015 12:08:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: :p
[2/9/2015 12:08:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: i have to do dishes
[2/9/2015 12:09:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: be back in a bit
[2/9/2015 12:09:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: seriosly though, wars were started for less
[2/9/2015 12:09:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: italy once fought a war
[2/9/2015 12:09:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: with 20,000 soldiers
[2/9/2015 12:09:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: over a fucking bucket
[2/9/2015 12:09:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: brb, dishes
[2/9/2015 12:09:42 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I know.
[2/9/2015 12:24:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: back
[2/9/2015 12:24:17 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Welcome back.
[2/9/2015 12:24:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: so a few new words that I did today
[2/9/2015 12:24:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: going down the list
[2/9/2015 12:24:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: adahl'melana
[2/9/2015 12:24:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: spring
[2/9/2015 12:25:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: aju = craft
[2/9/2015 12:25:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: ajua = to craft, to invent
[2/9/2015 12:25:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: alaslin = metal
[2/9/2015 12:26:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: ahnsul = why, because
[2/9/2015 12:26:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: amahn = here
[2/9/2015 12:27:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: athim = humility, humble
[2/9/2015 12:27:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: av'ahn = question
[2/9/2015 12:27:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: av'ahn'su'vi'in = curious, curiosity
[2/9/2015 12:28:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: banafelas = decay, rot, corrosion
[2/9/2015 12:28:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: banafelasa = to decay, to rot, to wither
[2/9/2015 12:28:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: bane = dark, gloom, shadow
[2/9/2015 12:28:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: blar = flower
[2/9/2015 12:29:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: da'lav'adahl = leaf, specifically that of a tree
[2/9/2015 12:29:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: da'lav'ur = leaf, of any plant
[2/9/2015 12:30:03 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah da'lav'adahl I see that with what adahl means.
[2/9/2015 12:30:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: dan'latha = to grieve
[2/9/2015 12:30:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: dana = to break, to split, to shatter
[2/9/2015 12:30:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: dera = to touch, to reach, to stroke
[2/9/2015 12:31:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: dian = stop
[2/9/2015 12:31:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: diana = to close, to fill, to stuff
[2/9/2015 12:31:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: dil = meat, flesh
[2/9/2015 12:31:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: duin = chest
[2/9/2015 12:31:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: duine = bosom, breast, breasts
[2/9/2015 12:31:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: dun = body
[2/9/2015 12:32:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: ean = bird
[2/9/2015 12:32:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: ebala = to mourn, to grieve
[2/9/2015 12:32:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: ehn = who
[2/9/2015 12:32:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: eir = snow
[2/9/2015 12:32:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: eir'melana = winter
[2/9/2015 12:32:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: eireth = frost
[2/9/2015 12:32:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: eolas = knowledge
[2/9/2015 12:33:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: eolasa = to know, to understand
[2/9/2015 12:33:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: esahn = whom
[2/9/2015 12:33:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: felgara = to grow, to burgeon, to develop
[2/9/2015 12:34:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: gen'adahl = root, roots, specifically of a tree
[2/9/2015 12:34:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: gen'ur = root, roots, of any plant
[2/9/2015 12:34:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: or no, sorry
[2/9/2015 12:34:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: gen'ur is root
[2/9/2015 12:34:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: gen'ur'en would be roots
[2/9/2015 12:34:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: genise = ash, ashes
[2/9/2015 12:35:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: ghial = fat, grease, specifically from an animal/meat
[2/9/2015 12:35:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: ha'raj = king
[2/9/2015 12:35:20 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I like that one
[2/9/2015 12:35:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: haim = gone, absent
[2/9/2015 12:35:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: haur = gold
[2/9/2015 12:35:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: hial = juice
[2/9/2015 12:36:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: ise'melana = summer
[2/9/2015 12:36:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: jul =cloth
[2/9/2015 12:36:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: laim = lost, adrift
[2/9/2015 12:36:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: laima = to waste, to lose, to drop, to give up
[2/9/2015 12:37:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: lav = arm, limb
[2/9/2015 12:37:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: lav'sal'in = horn
[2/9/2015 12:37:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: lav'adahl = branch, specifically of a tree
[2/9/2015 12:37:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: la'veth = tail
[2/9/2015 12:37:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: lav'in = bone
[2/9/2015 12:37:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: lav'ur = branch, of any plant
[2/9/2015 12:37:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: lin'adahl = sap
[2/9/2015 12:38:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: mahn = where, when
[2/9/2015 12:38:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: manean = fish
[2/9/2015 12:38:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: miol = insect
[2/9/2015 12:38:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: mir = finger
[2/9/2015 12:39:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: miringa = fingernail
[2/9/2015 12:39:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: i forgot inga = nail, claw
[2/9/2015 12:39:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: mor = big, large, immense
[2/9/2015 12:39:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: my = after
[2/9/2015 12:39:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: mya = to follow, to be lead
[2/9/2015 12:40:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: seithe = skin
[2/9/2015 12:40:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: seithe'adahl = tree bark
[2/9/2015 12:40:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: shath = wing
[2/9/2015 12:41:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: shath'mir = feather
[2/9/2015 12:41:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: shena = to sprout, to spring, to shoot, to germinate
[2/9/2015 12:41:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: shia = to wander, to travel
[2/9/2015 12:41:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: sou = power, energy, stamina
[2/9/2015 12:41:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: soun = powerful, strong
[2/9/2015 12:42:18 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Impressive.
[2/9/2015 12:42:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: souver'melana = autumn
[2/9/2015 12:43:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: suleth = forwards, front
[2/9/2015 12:43:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: tamahn = there
[2/9/2015 12:43:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: tiara = crown
[2/9/2015 12:43:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: u'lea = light, spark
[2/9/2015 12:44:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: u'lean'in = lantern, lamp
[2/9/2015 12:44:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: u'vun = star, beacon
[2/9/2015 12:44:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: uralas = nature
[2/9/2015 12:44:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: urb = plant
[2/9/2015 12:44:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: urbalin = grease, fat, specifically from a plant
[2/9/2015 12:44:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: urbeshalin = seed
[2/9/2015 12:44:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: urvun = fruit
[2/9/2015 12:45:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: uva = egg
[2/9/2015 12:45:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: vare = gone, passed, withdrawn
[2/9/2015 12:45:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: vartha = to clean, to groom
[2/9/2015 12:46:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: ve = away, behind
[2/9/2015 12:46:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: veth = back, bottom
[2/9/2015 12:46:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: y = or
[2/9/2015 12:46:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: and that’s what i have for new words
[2/9/2015 12:46:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: from today
[2/9/2015 12:50:02 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Very impressive.
[2/9/2015 12:50:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: thanks
[2/9/2015 12:50:26 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :)
[2/9/2015 12:50:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: currently working on the swadesh list (list of most common words in all languages)
[2/9/2015 12:51:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: will move on to the larger 600 word commonality list after that
[2/9/2015 12:52:39 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): This lexicon should be useful. Difficult to create, but useful. It’s quite the undertaking. Wish there was more I could do to help, currently.
[2/9/2015 12:53:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: there should be more you can do once I get a compendium of what I’ve done
[2/9/2015 12:53:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: that should allow collaberation
[2/9/2015 12:53:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: collaboration*
[2/9/2015 12:54:20 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That is true.
[2/9/2015 12:57:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ll stuill keep the main lexicon on my end
[2/9/2015 12:57:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: but the compendium will allow discourse and help from everyone involved
[2/9/2015 12:57:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. “i think this word is the root for blah blah blah blah”
[2/9/2015 12:58:16 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Which makes sense
[2/9/2015 1:07:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: alright i need to get to bed
[2/9/2015 1:08:28 AM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sleep well.
[2/9/2015 1:26:53 AM] *** Jaydek drools over new words ***
[2/9/2015 1:27:44 AM] Jaydek: I’ll have to dig out my word list and see if it can be of any use to the project.
[2/9/2015 2:05:47 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): For some reason I imagine Andruil and Fen'Harel having a relationship like Kaiba and Yuugi from YuGiOh.
[2/9/2015 2:05:57 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Andruil: bursts through wall DUEL ME FEN'HAREL
[2/9/2015 2:32:44 AM] Jaydek: rofl
[2/9/2015 2:34:04 AM] Jaydek: Did Kaiba ever have unrequited desire for Yuugi? XD
[2/9/2015 2:35:02 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ha ha ha. I don’t think that’s completely canon.
[2/9/2015 2:35:07 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Though some people would say yes.
[2/9/2015 2:35:12 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I was in that fandom long enough to know.
[2/9/2015 3:06:35 AM] Rennekin: Ooooh words
[2/9/2015 3:07:32 AM] Rennekin: Also lmao does that make june mokuba
[2/9/2015 3:07:55 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): OMfg.
[2/9/2015 3:08:00 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That would be hilarious.
[2/9/2015 3:08:14 AM] Rennekin: gets kidnapped every second episode
[2/9/2015 3:08:18 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): June: NII-SAN
[2/9/2015 3:08:28 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Mythal is grandpa moutou
[2/9/2015 3:08:39 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): she used to be a badass archeologist in her youth
[2/9/2015 3:08:45 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles):
There was a time, a moment, when he was certain that his actions would be the end of the world.
He was used to the guilt, the implications of how Fen’Harillen had become Fen’Harel, and yet being indirectly responsible for the destruction of nearly 10,000 years of history and culture was still quite different from causing the apocalypse.
One was, decidedly, still worse.
Looking up at the sky, the tear in the Veil let corrupted spirits spew through with a thought to impact reality in a very visceral way, the churnings of very real fear settled in his stomach.Who needed possession when there were thousands of holes punched in the very fabric that bound the fluid channels of Thought and Memory from reality?
Certainly not opportunistic spirits, looking for an easy out, nor for the unfortunate spirits for whom the journey to the physical realm would be the death sentence of their gentle natures.
[2/9/2015 3:10:05 AM] Rennekin: Nnnnice
[2/9/2015 3:10:19 AM] Helig: Good morning and somebody stop me from writing ideas for Artlathan’s social mechanics and how they differentiate for various feudal regions
[2/9/2015 3:10:29 AM] Helig: Oh, breachy bits.
[2/9/2015 3:10:37 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I refuse to stop you.
[2/9/2015 3:10:41 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Because I would like to read it.
[2/9/2015 3:11:09 AM] Helig: You’ll wait 3000 years for that one probably.
[2/9/2015 3:11:25 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ha ha.
[2/9/2015 3:12:13 AM] Rennekin: I will also not be stopping you OTL
[2/9/2015 3:18:41 AM] Helig: Cruel but honest. I like you.

Okay, I’ve skimmed through the wall of text you people wrote and I don’t think there have been any proper introductions along the way.

Hello, I am Helig and I am a nerd. Now who are you lot?
[2/9/2015 3:19:05 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m MIles.
[2/9/2015 3:19:08 AM] Rennekin: Yo ~
[2/9/2015 3:19:11 AM] Rennekin: I’m Ren
[2/9/2015 3:19:36 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like writing, Solas, History/English/Law, Solas, and worldbuilding.
[2/9/2015 3:19:37 AM] Rennekin: I play -deep breath- Sylaise at virxatishan, a Surana Warden at bloodimagery, and Isabela at swashbxckler
[2/9/2015 3:19:50 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I play… fenharelan.
[2/9/2015 3:19:55 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Possibly a Fenris someday.
[2/9/2015 3:20:10 AM] Rennekin: Nice
[2/9/2015 3:20:15 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Thanks.
[2/9/2015 3:24:41 AM] Helig: Aaaah, nice to meet you Miles, Ren.

I play Felassan on theslowarrow and an elvhen OC I really should wipe and redo on fenxfalon.

Also personal recommendation: don’t adopt a lot of muses unless you plan to write a book.
[2/9/2015 3:25:25 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I already have too many OCs I could make RP blogs for, including Elvhen ocs – three of them.
[2/9/2015 3:27:09 AM] Rennekin: ahhhh oh gosh i didn’t know you were theslowarrow C:
[2/9/2015 3:27:45 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I should just start introducing myself as the New Guy.
[2/9/2015 3:28:08 AM] Rennekin: Eheheh yeah I also have too many muses
[2/9/2015 3:28:56 AM] Rennekin: I’ve been holding myself back from making a feral af dalish oc for a little while now OTL
[2/9/2015 3:29:09 AM] Rennekin: I can barely handle my three so
[2/9/2015 3:29:15 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Anxiety clawed at his insides, making him appear to outsiders as a fearful Elf, one with utterly unassuming features whose worry would appear to be justified to the outside world.
How could it not be? Reality itself was unwinding and the perilous Fade was gnawing holes in the Veil to unleash its spawn upon the waking world, things of Nightmares staking their desperate claim upon the world of Men.
It had to be an act of the Maker, surely. There must be some reason this was happening.
They would plead and cry for their god to answer them, these pilgrims on their way to Haven and the Temple of Sacred Ashes. They would bemoan the fate of the world and in earnest believe the Maker had abandoned them, not knowing that the god who did move to answer their desperate pleas was not really a god at all, and certainly not some reflection of the Human spirit.
His anxiety only stilled when he heard whispered rumors of a survivor to the explosion at the Conclave, though he’d no right idea how anyone could have stumbled out of that smoking crater alive. And yet, if someone had survived he had to see them, had to ascertain why, and if there was something that could be gleaned about the situation from them.
And that was why, against what would normally constitute his better judgment, he found himself facing down several anxious Templar recruits and a very stern looking red-headed woman.
[2/9/2015 3:29:19 AM] Helig: looks at OC too much work with just one to make their stories proper so nah
[2/9/2015 3:57:21 AM | Edited 3:58:04 AM] Helig: thank you, internet for not letting me see messages and this peculiar tidbit to read. squints an elvhen oc?
[2/9/2015 2:13:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: swadesh list is done
[2/9/2015 2:13:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: whoo!
[2/9/2015 2:15:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): :D
[2/9/2015 2:16:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: that gives me a total of 533 words
[2/9/2015 2:16:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: 45 more than last night
[2/9/2015 2:16:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: so 533 words down
[2/9/2015 2:16:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: 967 to go ._.
[2/9/2015 2:18:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: but now I can say this:
[2/9/2015 2:18:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas ner aer.
[2/9/2015 2:18:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas likes liver
[2/9/2015 2:18:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA HA
[2/9/2015 2:28:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solasan sal'in brith uva.
[2/9/2015 2:28:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas’s head looks like an egg.
[2/9/2015 2:30:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yes it does.
[2/9/2015 2:32:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: Asha Lavellan nuven dava uva.
[2/9/2015 2:33:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: Lady Lavellan wants to lick that egg.
[2/9/2015 2:33:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: I dhava uva.
[2/9/2015 2:33:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: and kiss that egg.
[2/9/2015 2:34:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Good.
[2/9/2015 2:36:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: I dalava uva
[2/9/2015 2:36:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: and punch that egg
[2/9/2015 2:36:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: as you can see, i’ve translated the important things
[2/9/2015 2:37:31 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): yes
[2/9/2015 2:37:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): all the most important things
[2/9/2015 2:42:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas unlan ash isa i’ve'an edhis
[2/9/2015 2:42:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas gave her his fade dick.
[2/9/2015 2:43:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: (i i’ve'an av tas)
[2/9/2015 2:43:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: (and fade tongue too)
[2/9/2015 2:43:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have to make the fade dick thing my status i’m sorry
[2/9/2015 2:43:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: hehehe
[2/9/2015 2:58:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: one thing you guys can do in the meantime
[2/9/2015 2:58:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: is come up with a list of words you want translated that I haven’t gotten to yet
[2/9/2015 2:58:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: or words you think need to be there
[2/9/2015 2:58:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Oh that’s
[2/9/2015 2:58:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah.
[2/9/2015 2:58:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I can do that.
[2/9/2015 2:59:02 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): As a fanfic write rI know what would be useful for fic.
[2/9/2015 2:59:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: coming to me with phrases is fine too
[2/9/2015 3:02:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and now i inquisition
[2/9/2015 3:02:07 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Same.
[2/9/2015 10:54:54 PM] Jaydek: [Monday, February 09, 2015 2:41 PM] Puppy Bigby:

<<< Solas unlan ash isa i’ve'an edhis
Solas gave her his fade dick.
(i i’ve'an av tas)
(and fade tongue too)
[2/9/2015 10:55:05 PM] *** Jaydek tries not to spit coffee ***
[2/9/2015 10:55:11 PM] Jaydek: Perfect. XD
[2/9/2015 10:55:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: :D
[2/9/2015 10:55:19 PM] Jaydek: Perfect translation to wake up to haha
[2/9/2015 10:55:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It makes me laugh.
[2/9/2015 10:55:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Which is why it is now my Skype status.
[2/9/2015 10:55:46 PM] Jaydek: Excellent!
[2/9/2015 11:01:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: it was in celebration of me finishing the swadesh list in elvish
[2/9/2015 11:01:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: granted i still have about 1000 words to go
[2/9/2015 11:01:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: but progress is progress
[2/9/2015 11:32:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: i always name the armor and weapons I craft for Solas in something elvish
[2/9/2015 11:32:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: with the names changing slightly depending on the inquisitor I’m playing
[2/9/2015 11:32:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: and his feelings towards said inquisitor
[2/9/2015 11:32:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example, in my F!Lavellan playthrough
[2/9/2015 11:32:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: his robes are named Arabelas
[2/9/2015 11:33:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: my sorrow
[2/9/2015 11:33:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas in my qunari playthrough
[2/9/2015 11:33:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: his robes are named Julivean
[2/9/2015 11:33:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: fade cloth
[2/9/2015 11:35:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like that.
[2/9/2015 11:35:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I tend to just be like
[2/9/2015 11:36:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): WHY DO I ONLY MAKE STUFF FOR YOU AND MY INQUISTIOR????
[2/9/2015 11:36:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): and so then I name his stuff like
[2/9/2015 11:36:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): “duds”
[2/9/2015 11:36:28 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): or “Vivienne will hate this”
[2/9/2015 11:36:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: in all my playthroughs, i do a “I can only use stuff I craft” rule
[2/9/2015 11:37:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: makes everything more personal for the characters
[2/9/2015 11:37:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: with each item having a name that is influenced by the character’s personality
[2/9/2015 11:37:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: vivienne’s items, for example, are really kind of haughty and self important
[2/9/2015 11:37:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: her robes are named Elegance
[2/9/2015 11:37:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: in this playthrough her staff is named Consequences
[2/9/2015 11:38:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: blackwall gets different armor and weapons names before and after his major reveal
[2/9/2015 11:38:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m so boring in my playthroughs.
[2/9/2015 11:38:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I can’t decide which character I want to max out solas hatred with.
[2/9/2015 11:39:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t know who it makes most sense narratively for yet.
[2/9/2015 11:39:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/9/2015 11:39:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): My canon timeline I’ve lovingly dubbed “I love ominous decisions”.
[2/9/2015 11:39:47 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Old god baby.
[2/9/2015 11:39:50 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Killing Hawke.
[2/9/2015 11:39:54 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Man oh man.
[2/9/2015 11:41:11 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But my Adaar likes him and gets along with him.
[2/9/2015 11:41:15 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): ???
[2/9/2015 11:41:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t know about G.T. yet tho.
[2/9/2015 11:41:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): She romances Cullen they might not get along.
[2/9/2015 11:41:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Mahvir is basically his apprentice.
[2/9/2015 11:41:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): So it’s either going to be Bull’s Lady Dwarf or GT.
[2/9/2015 11:42:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I kind of want to punch him as a dwarf
[2/9/2015 11:42:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I won’t lie
[2/9/2015 11:42:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/9/2015 11:43:07 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah but Taraan is so chill he’s just like I love my small bald elf friend
[2/9/2015 11:43:27 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): and Mahvir is like SENPAI
[2/10/2015 1:13:10 AM] Rennekin: lmao my canon worldstate is called 'don’t date the apostate’
[2/10/2015 1:13:21 AM] Rennekin: for reason i’m sure are obvious OTL
[2/10/2015 1:14:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/10/2015 1:14:57 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have the 2 apostate life wreckers….
[2/10/2015 1:14:59 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): and fenris
[2/10/2015 1:15:01 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA
[2/10/2015 1:15:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/10/2015 1:15:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: seriously
[2/10/2015 1:15:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: date morrigan, get heart broken
[2/10/2015 1:15:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: date anders, get heart broken (and chantry go boom)
[2/10/2015 1:15:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: date solas, get heart broken
[2/10/2015 1:15:27 AM] Rennekin: eyup
[2/10/2015 1:15:32 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): dread woof
[2/10/2015 1:19:30 AM] Jaydek: I did almost the same
[2/10/2015 1:19:38 AM] Jaydek: Except it was Alistair, get heart broken…
[2/10/2015 1:19:45 AM] Jaydek: Dumped me for being an elf >.>
[2/10/2015 1:22:13 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ohhhhhhh.
[2/10/2015 2:00:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: he doesn’t dump you if you’ve hardened him
[2/10/2015 2:01:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: and then tell him that nobody can tell him what to do
[2/10/2015 2:01:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: as far as I know, though
[2/10/2015 2:01:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: if he isn’t hardened, he dumps anybody who isn’t a human noble
[2/10/2015 2:03:49 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): yep
[2/10/2015 2:47:26 AM] Helig: Bigby does important things.
Sniff sniff, smells like Sera’s important things. (Backed by Blackwall tm.)
In any case, good morning.
Get your head in the game, harden your Alisters and guess who romanced every character who dumps you on their every first full walkthrough.
Ha.

On 09/02/2015, at 10:57 PM, Puppy Bigby wrote:
> is come up with a list of words you want translated that I haven’t gotten to yet
On 09/02/2015, at 10:58 PM, Puppy Bigby wrote:
> or words you think need to be there
Gotcha, boss.
[2/10/2015 2:47:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: good morning, lovely russian lady
[2/10/2015 2:49:31 AM] Helig: We need words for priests, word slave caste uses to adress those who are higher than they in status and word for somniary.
Also word for taking a nap, as opposed to long sleep.
[2/10/2015 2:49:52 AM | Edited 2:49:58 AM] Helig: Good evening, kind fluffy sir.
[2/10/2015 2:51:04 AM] Helig: Also if we don’t have word for chains, shackles, bonds - we should have one, they are good for fancy metaphors.
[2/10/2015 2:55:53 AM] Helig: Also everyone with poetic minds should come up with concepts that cannot be easily translated to english, like that word from the Qun which means something like 'getting your horns tangled in your own shirt’ (helig doesn’t remember the exact meaning so what)
[2/10/2015 2:56:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/10/2015 2:56:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: right now i can’t realy think well though
[2/10/2015 2:56:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: so i’m gonna head to bed
[2/10/2015 2:56:50 AM | Edited 2:58:44 AM] Helig: Good. Lay your weary head to sleep, avoid Dirthamemes on your path.
[2/10/2015 2:57:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: pfft
[2/10/2015 2:57:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight
[2/10/2015 2:57:10 AM] Rennekin: Sleep well and so forth ~
[2/10/2015 3:00:10 AM] Helig: So, who plans to be awake for next 6+ hours? Me excluded.
[2/10/2015 3:00:37 AM] Rennekin: I do, but am distracted by arting at present
[2/10/2015 3:04:11 AM] Helig: Ooooh, gotcha. Just wanted to propose some brainstorming about collocations from different languages that can fit Elvhen sometime later today.
[2/10/2015 3:05:02 AM] Rennekin: Sure thing ~
[2/10/2015 4:06:54 AM | Edited 4:07:13 AM] Helig: watches news n weeps usa no listen to Germany
[2/11/2015 12:18:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: another thing I would need, if any of you are around to take note of this
[2/11/2015 12:18:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: is a list of elvish words that need to be translated
[2/11/2015 12:19:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: needless to say there are the elvish songs
[2/11/2015 12:19:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: but there’s also a bunch of Elvish, especially in Inquisition
[2/11/2015 12:19:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: that I have yet to comb over
[2/11/2015 2:51:39 AM] Jaydek: I have some notes on Elvish phrases used in Inquisition, some of which aren’t translated in game
[2/11/2015 2:52:17 AM] Jaydek: I’ll dig through my google drive for it when I have a spare moment.
[2/11/2015 4:41:36 AM] Helig: Mission Get Elvish accepted.
[2/11/2015 10:45:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: good evening everybody
[2/11/2015 10:47:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Hello.
[2/12/2015 12:22:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: Ma eol - elvish version in colloquial speach of “you know”
[2/12/2015 12:22:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e.
[2/12/2015 12:22:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: “I have when this happens, you know?”
[2/12/2015 12:22:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: hATE*
[2/12/2015 12:22:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: hate*
[2/12/2015 12:23:35 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ha
[2/12/2015 12:31:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: Ara mir'en juvallas aralath sul nar muin.
[2/12/2015 12:31:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: my fingers will write my love upon your neck.
[2/14/2015 10:38:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: gonna be translating all of this: http://www.ambar-eldaron.com/english/downloads/sindarin-english.pdf
[2/15/2015 1:20:22 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I want to name the bookshop in my bookshop AU something Elvhen but I don’t know what to name it.
[2/15/2015 1:20:26 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ngh.
[2/15/2015 1:22:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: dont have a word for shop, nor book, yet
[2/15/2015 1:22:49 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ha ha ha well I don’t want to name it Bookshop.
[2/15/2015 1:22:53 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That would be really stupid.
[2/15/2015 1:23:01 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas doesn’t have that kind of sense of humor.
[2/15/2015 1:23:06 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The Iron Bull?
[2/15/2015 1:23:08 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Totally.
[2/15/2015 1:23:09 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But not Solas.
[2/15/2015 5:48:51 AM] Helig: For a man who calls himself Pride, I can see him joking like that. Dry sence of humor and sly wittyzisms. But I guess me views on Solas differ from yours.
[2/15/2015 12:08:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s not that I don’t think he has a dry sense of humor, it’s just that the joke is too obvious, and in this AU, no one would really understand it.
[2/15/2015 12:08:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas wants people to have to guess whether or not he’s joking.
[2/15/2015 12:08:56 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But if no one KNOWS, it takes the fun out of it.
[2/15/2015 7:17:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: thoughts on elvish months/holidays?
[2/15/2015 7:18:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is stated that the 'official’ calendar was created by the Tinveter Imperium and was heavily influenced by the Elves
[2/15/2015 7:18:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think the Elvhen, given their poetic nature, would probably name months after the things that happened in them.
[2/15/2015 7:18:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They name cities that way, too, to an extent.
[2/15/2015 7:18:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They’re all poetic compound words.
[2/15/2015 7:19:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: Well I think the current/Tevene calendar
[2/15/2015 7:19:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: would be similar to the Elvish calendar
[2/15/2015 7:19:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: in the same way that the Roman calendar was similar to the Hellenic calendars
[2/15/2015 7:19:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think that the definitions would be very similar
[2/15/2015 7:20:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: right now I only have the elvish version of Verimensis/Wintermarch
[2/15/2015 7:20:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is Vareirmana
[2/15/2015 7:20:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t even KNOW the names for the months for Thedas yet, though I should.
[2/15/2015 7:20:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: or Past Winter
[2/15/2015 7:20:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: from first to last
[2/15/2015 7:22:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: Verimensis / Wintermarch
Pluitanis / Guardian
Nubulis / Drakonis
Eluviesta / Cloudreach
Molioris / Bloomingtide
Ferventis / Justinian
Solis / Solace
Matrinalis / August
Parvulis / Kingsway
Frumentum / Harvestmere
Umbralis / Firstfall
Cassus / Haring
[2/15/2015 7:22:28 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Bless.
[2/15/2015 7:23:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): “August”.
[2/15/2015 7:23:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: know what would be nice?
[2/15/2015 7:23:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: if the DA team knew latin
[2/15/2015 7:23:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/15/2015 7:23:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Amatus”
[2/15/2015 7:23:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: no.
[2/15/2015 7:24:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: bad
[2/15/2015 7:24:03 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA HA.
[2/15/2015 7:24:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: bad, bioware
[2/15/2015 7:24:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: no cookie.
[2/15/2015 7:24:09 PM] *** Fen'Harillen (Miles) slaps bioware ***
[2/15/2015 7:24:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: amatus is the past participle, you idiots
[2/15/2015 7:24:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah they don’t know latin.
[2/15/2015 7:24:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: but still
[2/15/2015 7:25:00 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): So–
[2/15/2015 7:25:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s over 2000 years ago
[2/15/2015 7:25:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s a fuckton of resoruces
[2/15/2015 7:25:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: buy a fucking book
[2/15/2015 7:25:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/15/2015 7:25:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: at the very least, bookmark wiktionary
[2/15/2015 7:25:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/15/2015 7:25:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The Tevinter were like LET’S STEAL THIS BECAUSE WE’RE THEDAN ROME
[2/15/2015 7:25:37 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): THE ELVES HAVE A COOL CALENDER WE’LL RIP IT OFF OF THEM
[2/15/2015 7:25:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They ripped everything off of the Elves.
[2/15/2015 7:25:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think influenced is a better word
[2/15/2015 7:26:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: comparatively
[2/15/2015 7:26:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: the elves were ancient greece
[2/15/2015 7:26:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: Tevinter was rome
[2/15/2015 7:26:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: rome didn’t steal the Greek calendars
[2/15/2015 7:26:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah, I know. I’m being facetious.
[2/15/2015 7:26:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they were heavily influenced by them
[2/15/2015 7:27:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Elvhenan is like a hybrid Greece-Egypt in some ways.
[2/15/2015 7:27:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: seriously i’m still stuck on Amatus
[2/15/2015 7:27:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Hello, Amatus.”
[2/15/2015 7:28:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: HELLO, I LOVED?!
[2/15/2015 7:28:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: SERIOUSLY BIOAWRE
[2/15/2015 7:28:07 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA
[2/15/2015 7:29:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: or no, sorry
[2/15/2015 7:29:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: not past participle
[2/15/2015 7:29:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: amatus is the perfect passive
[2/15/2015 7:29:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: but still
[2/15/2015 7:29:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s a fucking verb
[2/15/2015 7:29:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: not a noun
[2/15/2015 7:29:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s like calling food 'eat
[2/15/2015 7:29:27 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ger ur shit straight bioware.
[2/15/2015 7:29:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I WANT SOME EAT!”
[2/15/2015 7:29:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): GOOD EATTINGS
[2/15/2015 7:29:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[2/15/2015 7:29:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically the perfect passive, i believe
[2/15/2015 7:30:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: was used as an adjective
[2/15/2015 7:30:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Hello, loving.”
[2/15/2015 7:30:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, bioware.
[2/15/2015 7:30:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: no.
[2/15/2015 7:30:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): ohhhhhh my god
[2/15/2015 7:31:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): that’s funny and pathetic
[2/15/2015 7:33:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: the correct word
[2/15/2015 7:33:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: is amor
[2/15/2015 7:33:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: no bioware
[2/15/2015 7:33:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can’t use a verb as a noun in latin
[2/15/2015 7:33:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s not how it fucking works
[2/15/2015 7:33:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: latin is a very specific language
[2/15/2015 7:33:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s not like english or german
[2/15/2015 7:33:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: where you can noun verbs and verb nouns
[2/15/2015 7:34:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: becauase of italian, some people think the correct tem is amore
[2/15/2015 7:34:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: btu while Amore is the correct term in italian
[2/15/2015 7:34:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is the ablative case in latin
[2/15/2015 7:35:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: amore, essentially, would mean 'from love.’
[2/15/2015 7:35:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: you aren’t going to say, “Hello, from love.”
[2/15/2015 7:35:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, in that case, you want the vocative
[2/15/2015 7:35:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: which, in the case of amor
[2/15/2015 7:35:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: is the same as the nominative
[2/15/2015 7:35:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is amor
[2/15/2015 7:35:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): This is fascinating.
[2/15/2015 7:35:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: the declensions
[2/15/2015 7:36:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: are amor, amoris, amori, amorem, amore, and amor
[2/15/2015 7:36:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: which the declension order being
[2/15/2015 7:36:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, ablative, and vocative
[2/15/2015 7:36:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: which can be confusing for english speakers
[2/15/2015 7:36:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: as while we have all of those cases in english
[2/15/2015 7:36:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: the words don’t change to accomodate them
[2/15/2015 7:37:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: Hello, my love.
[2/15/2015 7:37:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: You are my love
[2/15/2015 7:37:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: I talk with love.
[2/15/2015 7:37:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: I come from love.
[2/15/2015 7:37:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: four different cases
[2/15/2015 7:37:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but love doesn’t change
[2/15/2015 7:37:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: instead, we use prepositions and other words to indicate case and declenation
[2/15/2015 7:37:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: declension* rather
[2/15/2015 7:38:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: now of course
[2/15/2015 7:38:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s nothing saying that Tevene can’t be a sort of fucked up version of Latin
[2/15/2015 7:38:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: or simplified version
[2/15/2015 7:38:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: where Amatus is a noun
[2/15/2015 7:38:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s still annoying sometimes
[2/15/2015 7:38:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: also the fact that Bioware can’t do accents annoys me
[2/15/2015 7:38:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, bioware
[2/15/2015 7:38:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: people who come from your version of spain
[2/15/2015 7:39:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: are not going to have both
[2/15/2015 7:39:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: spanish accents and english accents
[2/15/2015 7:39:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: that is not how dialect works
[2/15/2015 7:39:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA HA that is like my number one pet peeve
[2/15/2015 7:39:17 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I just imagine everyone with appropriate accents
[2/15/2015 7:39:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: Dorian? RP accent
[2/15/2015 7:39:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: Magister Pavus?
[2/15/2015 7:39:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: Southern Italian accent
[2/15/2015 7:39:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS BIOWARE
[2/15/2015 7:40:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: I’M SORRY BUT UNLESS DORIAN HAS SPENT THE LAST TWENTY YEARS IN FERELDAN
[2/15/2015 7:40:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS
[2/15/2015 7:40:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah seriously.
[2/15/2015 7:40:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: Rivain?
[2/15/2015 7:40:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: Thedas version of spain/portugal/greece whatever
[2/15/2015 7:40:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): YES SERIOUSLY AND THEIR ACCENTS DON’T MATCH AND THEY ARE TERRIBLE OH MY GOD
[2/15/2015 7:40:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: what accent do Isabela and Duncan speak with and what is the etymology of their names?
[2/15/2015 7:40:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: FUCKING BRITISH
[2/15/2015 7:41:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: well no, Isabela is spanish, sorry
[2/15/2015 7:41:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: but Duncan is british
[2/15/2015 7:41:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: granted, there seems to be enough cultural exchange
[2/15/2015 7:41:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: that you might see some Fereldan names in Rivain and vice versa
[2/15/2015 7:41:37 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah I was going to say they have heavy cultural exchange.
[2/15/2015 7:41:41 PM] Rennekin: (psst isabela is not her birth name)
[2/15/2015 7:41:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: but a Rivaini talking with no hint of their accent?
[2/15/2015 7:41:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: come on.
[2/15/2015 7:41:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah i know
[2/15/2015 7:41:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can’t remember her birth name though
[2/15/2015 7:41:56 PM] Rennekin: naishe
[2/15/2015 7:42:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): With Duncan it makes maybe a bit more sense because he’s a Warden and doesn’t seem too keen on his heritage.
[2/15/2015 7:42:31 PM] Rennekin: i head canon she trained her accent out of her voice but yeah it'sssssss kinda T:
[2/15/2015 7:42:38 PM] Rennekin: and duncan was in orlais for a long time, i believe?
[2/15/2015 7:42:58 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Hm, yes.
[2/15/2015 7:43:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Like I said I basically headcanon all accents to what they should be.
[2/15/2015 7:43:28 PM] Rennekin: p much have to, yeah
[2/15/2015 7:43:28 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Including all Dalish Elves and Elvhen tbh.
[2/15/2015 7:43:32 PM] Rennekin: ye
[2/15/2015 7:43:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): ki ll me
[2/15/2015 7:43:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): AND THEN WHY DO CITY ELVES HAVE NO ACCENT?
[2/15/2015 7:43:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): well
[2/15/2015 7:43:47 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): American Midwest accent
[2/15/2015 7:43:56 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): THAT DRIVES ME NUTS
[2/15/2015 7:44:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/15/2015 7:44:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: some dalish elves having different accents makes sense
[2/15/2015 7:44:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: the city elves having different accents? Of course
[2/15/2015 7:44:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: south london, cockney, northern, welsh, okay
[2/15/2015 7:44:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: but fucking american?
[2/15/2015 7:45:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: THAT’S NOT HOW DIALECTS WORK BIOWARE
[2/15/2015 7:45:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean come on
[2/15/2015 7:45:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: these are very simple things
[2/15/2015 7:45:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: that poke huge holes
[2/15/2015 7:45:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: it doesn’t take that long to write a small note dictating the accents that people must speak with
[2/15/2015 7:45:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s 2015
[2/15/2015 7:45:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: almost every single voice actor goes through accent training
[2/15/2015 7:46:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: fuck, i can teach most people to speak RP in about 20 minutes
[2/15/2015 7:46:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: and I’ve never even been to Britain
[2/15/2015 7:47:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: accents are just a matter of changing phonetics slightly
[2/15/2015 7:47:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: change the accent upon your A’s and O’s
[2/15/2015 7:47:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: and suddenly RP because your standard Sydney accent
[2/15/2015 7:47:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: add a subtle R after open vowels
[2/15/2015 7:47:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and now you have a different australian accent
[2/15/2015 7:48:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: close your mouth
[2/15/2015 7:48:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: and now you  have lower welsh
[2/15/2015 7:48:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: remove the R and round off your letters
[2/15/2015 7:48:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: and now you have irish
[2/15/2015 7:48:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: this is how accents work
[2/15/2015 7:48:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s small changes
[2/15/2015 7:48:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: it doesn’t go from RP
[2/15/2015 7:48:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: to fucking American
[2/15/2015 7:50:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: anyway, back to my work :p
[2/15/2015 7:50:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve bitched enough
[2/15/2015 7:50:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: so back to the subject
[2/15/2015 7:50:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: ideas for Elvish calendar?
[2/15/2015 7:50:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: should it be close enough to Tevene names
[2/15/2015 7:51:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: that it’s OBVIOUS that they took inspiration from it?
[2/15/2015 7:51:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: or should the translations just be similar?
[2/15/2015 8:29:31 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think the translations should be similar.
[2/15/2015 8:30:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think it might be a bit of both
[2/15/2015 8:30:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: but not all the translations would be the same
[2/15/2015 8:30:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah I guess that makes sense, too.
[2/15/2015 8:30:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i think the tevene translations might be
[2/15/2015 8:30:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: but not the Fereldan/Common
[2/15/2015 8:30:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: as Drakonis and Justinian are obviously named after Emperor Drakon
[2/15/2015 8:30:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: and Divine Justinia
[2/15/2015 8:31:00 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I ended up naming the bookshop Vir'Haminan, by the way.
[2/15/2015 8:31:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Just putting that out there.
[2/15/2015 8:31:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: The way of laying eyes?
[2/15/2015 8:32:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Wait I think I spelled something wrong one moment
[2/15/2015 8:36:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I should say it’s like Hamin'an not Haminan because it’s not laying eyes it’s way of the place of rest.
[2/15/2015 8:36:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: ah ok
[2/15/2015 8:36:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: in that case you would use the noun
[2/15/2015 8:36:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: ha'mi'in
[2/15/2015 8:36:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: not the verb hamina
[2/15/2015 8:36:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah.
[2/15/2015 8:36:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: so Vir'hamiin'an
[2/15/2015 8:37:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Bless you.
[2/15/2015 8:37:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: or Vir'ha'mi'in'an
[2/15/2015 8:37:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: Vir'hamin'an would be the way of the place to rest
[2/15/2015 8:37:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah, yeah.
[2/15/2015 8:38:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not bad at language this is just hard without proper reference material and having to go all from memory mostly.
[2/15/2015 8:38:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, most of the grammar is in my head at this point
[2/15/2015 8:38:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: it will all be written out, don’t worry
[2/15/2015 8:38:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i want to make the language natural
[2/15/2015 8:38:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: so some verbs will be logical
[2/15/2015 8:38:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: others won’t
[2/15/2015 8:39:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah my Elvish is natural, too.
[2/15/2015 8:39:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to the different between to run
[2/15/2015 8:39:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and know
[2/15/2015 8:39:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: where as the past of run is ran
[2/15/2015 8:39:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: know is knew
[2/15/2015 8:39:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but there’s nothing in the offical rules about that
[2/15/2015 8:39:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: you just know it
[2/15/2015 8:41:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah, that’s true. You do just know it.
[2/15/2015 8:41:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: so while some nouns and verbs would be clearly separated in elvish
[2/15/2015 8:41:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: like hamiin
[2/15/2015 8:41:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: and hamina
[2/15/2015 8:41:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: others wouldn’t be
[2/15/2015 8:41:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: like era and era
[2/15/2015 8:41:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): era and era
[2/15/2015 8:41:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: with era being the noun and the verb
[2/15/2015 8:41:50 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): sobs
[2/15/2015 8:43:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: same with ena
[2/15/2015 8:43:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: then you  have some nouns that aren’t verbs
[2/15/2015 8:43:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: that look like verbs
[2/15/2015 8:43:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: like mana
[2/15/2015 8:43:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: melana
[2/15/2015 8:43:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: melava
[2/15/2015 8:44:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: real languages have a lot of little inconsisitencies like that
[2/15/2015 8:44:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m so glad you’re doing this.
[2/15/2015 8:44:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I still need to compile a list of words writers might need.
[2/15/2015 8:44:56 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They’re the number one people who would use this resource so it’s their needs that should be considered, I think.
[2/15/2015 9:28:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to the differences between greek and roman calendars
[2/15/2015 9:29:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think i’m going to have the Elvish calendar begin in the middle of summer
[2/15/2015 9:29:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: rather than the middle of winter
[2/15/2015 9:29:27 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah?
[2/15/2015 9:29:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: fyi, i’m using the attic calendar for reference
[2/15/2015 9:30:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: since there were many greek calendars
[2/15/2015 10:19:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: going off the idea
[2/15/2015 10:19:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: that similar to the Romans
[2/15/2015 10:19:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Ancient Tevinters named the days of the week after gods
[2/15/2015 10:20:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah?
[2/15/2015 10:21:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think with their going away from the old gods, the modern Tevinters wouldn’t, however
[2/15/2015 10:21:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: and would have names of the week similar to the Germanic tradition
[2/15/2015 10:21:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem with them giving them latin names
[2/15/2015 10:21:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that latin names are, for the most part, the geinitive of the gods
[2/15/2015 10:21:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. dies Martis for tuesday
[2/15/2015 10:21:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: is Mars’s day
[2/15/2015 10:22:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course on the flip side
[2/15/2015 10:22:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: Tuesday comes from the germanic god of war, Tiu
[2/15/2015 10:22:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: so… meh?
[2/15/2015 10:23:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: i might just make the modern be martis
[2/15/2015 10:23:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Do you think Elves would name things after their gods?
[2/15/2015 10:24:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: no
[2/15/2015 10:24:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: the dalish, perhaps
[2/15/2015 10:24:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but you have to remember how old Elvish civilization was
[2/15/2015 10:24:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: the gods were a product of it
[2/15/2015 10:24:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: so months, days, whatever being named after them
[2/15/2015 10:24:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: would be like us naming days after the presidents
[2/15/2015 10:25:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: even though a few (Jackson, Lincoln, Washington, etc) are of mythical status
[2/15/2015 10:25:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: it wouldn’t make sense
[2/15/2015 10:25:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Hm. Maybe. You and I have very different interpretations of Elvhenan and the origins of the gods, as I recall.
[2/15/2015 10:25:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: well yes
[2/15/2015 10:26:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: but Elvish civilization was very, very old by the time it crumbled
[2/15/2015 10:26:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: older than any civilization in the real world has ever existed
[2/15/2015 10:26:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: and given their nature
[2/15/2015 10:26:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is unlikely things would change as quickly as they do in human society/modern elvish society
[2/15/2015 10:27:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: so unless the gods created elvish society
[2/15/2015 10:27:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: which, quite frankly, is the most ridiculous thing I can think of
[2/15/2015 10:27:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: naming months or days after them doesn’t make a lot of sense
[2/15/2015 10:27:46 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Why do you think it’s ridiculous?
[2/15/2015 10:28:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: because it makes no logical sense and opens up too many questions that have answers that can only be explained in illogical ways
[2/15/2015 10:28:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: if they created the society
[2/15/2015 10:28:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: then you have to ask why they did it
[2/15/2015 10:28:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: how they did it
[2/15/2015 10:28:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: where THEY came from
[2/15/2015 10:28:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: society is something that grows over time
[2/15/2015 10:28:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: to say that a group of people created it
[2/15/2015 10:28:57 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas already basically hinted at them not being Elves.
[2/15/2015 10:29:02 PM] *** Fen'Harillen (Miles) shrugs ***
[2/15/2015 10:29:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t find it so far-fetched.
[2/15/2015 10:29:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: then, with the utmost respect, you know nothing about how society forms
[2/15/2015 10:29:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can just create it
[2/15/2015 10:29:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: it has nothing to do with power or lack there of
[2/15/2015 10:29:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: it evolves over centuries
[2/15/2015 10:29:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: millenia, most likely, in the case of the elves
[2/15/2015 10:29:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: by the time Elvhenan came to be
[2/15/2015 10:30:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: Elvish society was probably already thousands of years old
[2/15/2015 10:30:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: now i’m not saying the gods creating elvish society isn’t what bioware intends
[2/15/2015 10:30:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be
[2/15/2015 10:30:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: after all, they’ve already shown that they know very little about anthropology (although it seems they know enough to not make things too silly)
[2/15/2015 10:31:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: but from an anthropological standpoint
[2/15/2015 10:31:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s kind of like saying the Alexander the Great invented Egypt
[2/15/2015 10:31:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not saying society evolved overnight.
[2/15/2015 10:31:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not an idiot and I resent you treating me like one.
[2/15/2015 10:31:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: rather than stating that he was one of the many, many, many, many, many architects of modern egyptian civilization
[2/15/2015 10:31:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s not my intention, and I apologize if that’s how you feel
[2/15/2015 10:32:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): From a worldbuilding standpoint, speaking as a writer, that seems to be the way they are going. It makes perfect sense within the framework of the world and given what Solas says about them being not mages or spirits or anything else.
[2/15/2015 10:33:16 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Society may well have been something that they started to build on their own through the Elves as their People.
[2/15/2015 10:33:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: that makes very little sense, though
[2/15/2015 10:33:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: also, I don’t really remember Solas ever suggesting they weren’t elves
[2/15/2015 10:33:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: just suggesting that they were perhaps something more
[2/15/2015 10:35:33 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Really? He basically said they’re something that’s “never been seen before”.
[2/15/2015 10:36:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: i remember him citing that as one of the possibilities
[2/15/2015 10:36:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, given some information he gives in the game
[2/15/2015 10:36:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think we have to remember a very important caveat:
[2/15/2015 10:36:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solas lies.
[2/15/2015 10:36:40 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA!
[2/15/2015 10:36:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i think it’s a mistake to take what he says as gospel
[2/15/2015 10:37:02 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not.
[2/15/2015 10:37:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: because it could mean that he’s trying to get the inquisitor to think for themselves
[2/15/2015 10:37:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could mean that even he doesn’t know what the gods truly were
[2/15/2015 10:37:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: he could be trying to cover up the fact thta he knows exactly what they were
[2/15/2015 10:37:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: etc etc etc
[2/15/2015 10:37:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): He’s not.
[2/15/2015 10:37:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: take for example, the fact that he outright states that there’s nothing connecting his people with the old gods of tevinter
[2/15/2015 10:38:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: when there’s other parts of the lore
[2/15/2015 10:38:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: that suggest that the old gods and the elven gods were connected somehow
[2/15/2015 10:38:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): No, he says there’s “nothing in my people’s lore that connects them with the old god’s of tevinter”.
[2/15/2015 10:38:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: well yes
[2/15/2015 10:39:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: but again, remember that he often covers his words in a very healthy dose of obfuscation.
[2/15/2015 10:39:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Which is not a lie. There is nothing specifically in Elvhen Lore stating that they are connected.
[2/15/2015 10:39:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: so he could be lying by ommision, i.e. what you’re suggesting
[2/15/2015 10:39:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: or he could be saying a lie that is a small white lie
[2/15/2015 10:39:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to his “I saw it in the fade,” lies
[2/15/2015 10:40:15 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t need to be talked to about SOlas’ character.
[2/15/2015 10:40:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If I thought what he said there was illegitimate, I wouldn’t cite it.
[2/15/2015 10:40:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: i wasn’t saying what he said was illegitimate
[2/15/2015 10:40:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m saying that I think we should take everything he says with a healthy grain of salt
[2/15/2015 10:41:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not really take anything he says, especially stuff about the fade, gods, etc
[2/15/2015 10:41:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: at face value
[2/15/2015 10:41:23 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I disagree. I think that much of what he says requires decoding, but is a legitimate source of information.
[2/15/2015 10:41:37 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): During the scene in question, he was emotionally compromised.
[2/15/2015 10:41:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The way he added the last thing, like an addendum.
[2/15/2015 10:41:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: which scene?
[2/15/2015 10:41:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s what he does, when he’s trying to add a bit of hasty truth to something that he Said.
[2/15/2015 10:42:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): When he refers to the gods as being something Thedas may have never seen before.
[2/15/2015 10:42:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: okay.
[2/15/2015 10:42:37 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I may not, as you said, “understand anthropology”, but I DO understand people and am excellent at character analysis.
[2/15/2015 10:42:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: never said you weren’t
[2/15/2015 10:43:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: and understanding anthropology isn’t necessary
[2/15/2015 10:43:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: if the writers want the gods to create elvish civilization that’s their right as writers
[2/15/2015 10:43:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: doesn’t mean I can agree that it’s the best choice
[2/15/2015 10:43:45 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Fantasy is, by its very nature, fantastical. It need not follow what some people think of as the laws that society follows.
[2/15/2015 10:43:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): In fact, it is much more complex than that.
[2/15/2015 10:43:57 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): There are many aspects to how societies are raised.
[2/15/2015 10:43:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: I disagree
[2/15/2015 10:44:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: I think that great fantasy needs to be grounded enough in reality
[2/15/2015 10:44:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: for the more fantastical aspects to have weight
[2/15/2015 10:44:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I do not think the Creators deliberately set out to do anything and I certainly don’t trust anything the Dalish say about them.
[2/15/2015 10:45:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is one reason why Lord of the Rings still blows most all other fantasy out of the water, for me
[2/15/2015 10:45:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But I also do not ascribe to this idea that most people seem to have that they used to be mortals.
[2/15/2015 10:45:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: well it’s certainly possible that the creators are some of the architects of what would eventually become elvish society
[2/15/2015 10:45:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: but to say that they actively created the society and the civilization
[2/15/2015 10:45:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: is to me, just absolutely silly
[2/15/2015 10:46:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: but then again, I’m one of those people who believe that the elvish gods were originally just regular old things/people/etc
[2/15/2015 10:46:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: before becoming gods of a sort
[2/15/2015 10:46:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps not all of them were elves
[2/15/2015 10:46:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s not what I’m saying at all. I don’t think they deliberately set out to do anything.
[2/15/2015 10:46:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s stupid.
[2/15/2015 10:46:57 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That only happens in very poorly written things.
[2/15/2015 10:47:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But so far I think it more likely that they are not quite like other creatures on Thedas and that they may be “elf like” in the way that these “titans’ Kieran mentions are probably "dwarf-like”, but they are not much like modern Elves or even ancient Elves.
[2/15/2015 10:48:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If they ever were Elves, they came into their power before the creation of the Veil.
[2/15/2015 10:48:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i think it’s a mistake to read too much into Solas’s comments about the veil
[2/15/2015 10:48:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s no evidence that there never was a veil
[2/15/2015 10:48:58 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not relying on SOlas.
[2/15/2015 10:49:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m relying on Sandal.
[2/15/2015 10:49:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t recall Sandal ever saying anything about there never being a veil in his prophecy
[2/15/2015 10:49:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i also haven’t read it in a while
[2/15/2015 10:50:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It doesn’t specifically. HOWEVER
[2/15/2015 10:50:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Magic comes from the Fade.
[2/15/2015 10:50:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The only people who can use magic are people who can reach beyond the Veil.
[2/15/2015 10:50:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Sandal talks about the magic coming back, about heaven parting.
[2/15/2015 10:51:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If magic were to come back, it would mean that the Veil is gone and that, at one point, there probably wasn’t a Veil at all.
[2/15/2015 10:51:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Since in order to come “back” it had to leave.
[2/15/2015 10:51:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: not necessarily
[2/15/2015 10:52:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think that’s the only conclusion to come to
[2/15/2015 10:52:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: firstly, I think the heavens parting
[2/15/2015 10:52:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: is him talking about the breach
[2/15/2015 10:52:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: secondly, solas mentions that it is theoretical possible for anyone to have magical potential
[2/15/2015 10:52:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: granted, he says this in jest to Sera
[2/15/2015 10:53:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: but a few comments that Dorian makes, especially about the Magisters of tevinter reinforcing this opinion
[2/15/2015 10:53:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: lends credence to the fact that for such a myth to form
[2/15/2015 10:53:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: there would have to have been a kernal of truth
[2/15/2015 10:53:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: thirdly, i don’t think the veil being gone is the only possible explanation
[2/15/2015 10:54:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: magic is for those who can reach beyond it
[2/15/2015 10:54:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: magic returning can mean a variety of things
[2/15/2015 10:54:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially when we’re talking about a prophecy, which by its very nature is usually written with the express intention of being vague and requiring you to look past the literal meanings
[2/15/2015 10:54:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yes, while your interpretation is certainly one possibility
[2/15/2015 10:54:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think it’s the only one
[2/15/2015 10:54:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: nor do I think it is the strongest one
[2/15/2015 10:55:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is also possible that veil was thinner at a time, or that using magic was easier, or that the elves possessed a knowledge to reach beyond the veil easier
[2/15/2015 10:55:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: one thing I’d like to bring up, is how Solas seems genuinely excited to be in the fade
[2/15/2015 10:55:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: as if he’s never been there before
[2/15/2015 10:55:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: if there wasn’t a veil
[2/15/2015 10:55:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: that would mean that entering the physical fade would be realtively easy (dangerous, certainly, but relatively easy)
[2/15/2015 10:56:03 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If there wasn’t a Veil, the Fade would be a state of nature, not a place you can go.
[2/15/2015 10:56:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: which kind of throws that comment into confusion
[2/15/2015 10:56:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The Veil is not a curtain.
[2/15/2015 10:56:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Being able to look past the Veil is to be able to open ones eyes to a concurrent state of reality that exists at the same time as the physical realm.
[2/15/2015 10:56:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: well yes and no
[2/15/2015 10:56:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: however the breach and many occurances in Inquisition specifically
[2/15/2015 10:56:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: to me at least
[2/15/2015 10:57:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: proves that the veil IS a physical thing
[2/15/2015 10:57:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It is.
[2/15/2015 10:57:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: the fade, as shown in inqusition
[2/15/2015 10:57:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a physical place
[2/15/2015 10:57:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That reflects reality.
[2/15/2015 10:57:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: it wouldn’t just disappear and become some sort of metaphysical concept without a veil
[2/15/2015 10:57:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, its nature would bleed into the nature of the real world
[2/15/2015 10:58:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i think it would still remain a physical place you could physically journey to
[2/15/2015 10:58:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t think canon really suggests that.
[2/15/2015 10:58:54 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think canon suggests that if the Veil were gone, the world would become one whole place, spirit and physical all at once, instead of being separated.
[2/15/2015 10:59:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps
[2/15/2015 10:59:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the fade wouldn’t cease to exist
[2/15/2015 10:59:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): What causes the Fade to be a place you can visit IS the Veil.
[2/15/2015 10:59:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If the Veil were gone, it would be a “state of nature’.
[2/15/2015 10:59:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: that makes no sense, however
[2/15/2015 10:59:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and goes against the core laws of physics
[2/15/2015 10:59:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: to such an extent that 1+1 might as well equal purple
[2/15/2015 10:59:57 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Mr. Fade Expert said this, and if there’s one thing he wouldn’t lie about?
[2/15/2015 10:59:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s the Fade.
[2/15/2015 11:00:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t recall him ever saying the fade would cease to exist
[2/15/2015 11:00:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: only that the fade nd the real world would essentially be one in the same
[2/15/2015 11:00:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): No, he said it would become a state of nature.
[2/15/2015 11:00:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: when? i don’t recall him saying that
[2/15/2015 11:00:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Let me find the screncap.
[2/15/2015 11:01:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: kk
[2/15/2015 11:01:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It will take two seconds.
[2/15/2015 11:01:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: on mississippi
[2/15/2015 11:01:16 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have his entire conversations about the Fade saved in several places.
[2/15/2015 11:01:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: two mississippi
[2/15/2015 11:01:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: YOU LIED
[2/15/2015 11:01:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: I AM BETRAYED
[2/15/2015 11:01:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: Cries in a corner
Fen'Harillen (Miles)
[2/15/2015 11:02:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: hmm
Fen'Harillen (Miles)
[2/15/2015 11:03:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): he’s talking about the Veil and what would happen if it were gone.
[2/15/2015 11:03:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah i remember the conversation
[2/15/2015 11:03:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Phsyical limitations only exist because of the Veil. Without it, reality could be reshaped.
[2/15/2015 11:04:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: although i don’t think they thought it through as much
[2/15/2015 11:04:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: or perhaps they did
[2/15/2015 11:04:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If the Veil were gone, the latent potential in them for magic would likely be awakened because their thoughts could suddenly shape reality and take form as does a mage in the present world.
[2/15/2015 11:04:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: and figured the physics aspect of it would be fridge logic
[2/15/2015 11:04:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the fact remains that, if the fade ceases to be physical
[2/15/2015 11:04:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: where do all the physical things go
[2/15/2015 11:04:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: and what happens when that logic moves into the logic of our world
[2/15/2015 11:04:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: does it enter seamlessly
[2/15/2015 11:04:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: or is it like dropping a pile of pure sodium into water
[2/15/2015 11:05:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That remains to be seen. Speaking as a writer, this is likely things the have considered, to some extent.
[2/15/2015 11:05:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: given what we’ve seen of the breach
[2/15/2015 11:05:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think it would be the second
[2/15/2015 11:05:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas says elsewhere that the Breach was only so bad because spirits were pulled through without the time to choose what they were going to be.
[2/15/2015 11:05:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: however if there was no veil
[2/15/2015 11:05:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: there would have to be a reason for one
[2/15/2015 11:05:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: either from being created
[2/15/2015 11:05:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: or evolving naturally
[2/15/2015 11:06:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I personally hypothesize that the Breach was created to contain the Blight.
[2/15/2015 11:06:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): No not Breach
[2/15/2015 11:06:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Veil
[2/15/2015 11:06:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Sorry.
[2/15/2015 11:06:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: and as history has proven time, after time, after time, after time
[2/15/2015 11:06:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The Veil was created to contain the Blight.
[2/15/2015 11:06:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: such massive things are usually created with very good reasons
[2/15/2015 11:06:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: hm
[2/15/2015 11:06:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps
[2/15/2015 11:06:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, red lyrium suggests that the blight doesn’t come from the fade
[2/15/2015 11:06:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: either that
[2/15/2015 11:06:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: or blight coming from the fade
[2/15/2015 11:06:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: is FAR older than the magisters entering
[2/15/2015 11:07:02 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yes, that’s what I think.
[2/15/2015 11:07:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, from what we’ve seen of the magisters story
[2/15/2015 11:07:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: the veil was something very well known
[2/15/2015 11:07:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think the magisters brought the Blight into the physical world.
[2/15/2015 11:07:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: which suggests that by the time of ancient tevinter
[2/15/2015 11:07:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: it was already very old
[2/15/2015 11:07:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yes.
[2/15/2015 11:07:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think they did
[2/15/2015 11:08:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think there is too much revealed in the lore to suggest that it is a far more complex situation
[2/15/2015 11:08:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: them entering the 'black city’ could have been PART of the catalyst
[2/15/2015 11:08:27 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Or at the very least they created Darkspawn.
[2/15/2015 11:08:46 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Even if the Blight already existed in small pockets in the physical world in the form of Red Lyrium.
[2/15/2015 11:08:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: darkspawn are too natural for them to have created them
[2/15/2015 11:09:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s possible that darkspawn existed
[2/15/2015 11:09:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: but were trapped in the fade somehow
[2/15/2015 11:09:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t think so. Perhaps they existed by the "song” didn’t yet.
[2/15/2015 11:09:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): There’s a great deal about all of this lore that has to do with sound.
[2/15/2015 11:09:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Singing.
[2/15/2015 11:09:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: or trapped FAR beneath the earth but something happened with the magiter’s ritual (since the fade reflects the natural world, I think that connection can go both ways) to release them
[2/15/2015 11:09:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i used to think the song was figurativge
[2/15/2015 11:09:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: but enough lore has been released to suggest it is a literal song of some kind
[2/15/2015 11:10:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be that the darkspawn were natural creatures
[2/15/2015 11:10:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I always thought it was literal just because of “Lyrium” sounds a lot like “Lyrical” and then when the red stuff showed up I was like hmmmm and then when it was revealed to be Blighted I was like HMMMMMMMMm
[2/15/2015 11:10:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that red lyrium is the source of the blight
[2/15/2015 11:10:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the darkspawn got corrupted that way
[2/15/2015 11:11:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That would mean there’s Lyrium in the Black City.
[2/15/2015 11:11:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Since Lyrium is a source of magic
[2/15/2015 11:11:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That would make sense.
[2/15/2015 11:11:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think lyrium is a source of magic
[2/15/2015 11:11:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: as much as it amplifies it
[2/15/2015 11:11:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: but given that the old gods do exist
[2/15/2015 11:11:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: did exist
[2/15/2015 11:11:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they ARE underground
[2/15/2015 11:12:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: disregarding the question of whether they were gods, or just very ancient powerful dragons
[2/15/2015 11:12:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: you have to ask the question of how the hell they got so far underground?
[2/15/2015 11:12:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: these are massive creatures
[2/15/2015 11:12:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Dragons can contain the Blight.
[2/15/2015 11:12:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: they aren’t just gonna tunnel underneath
[2/15/2015 11:12:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: any tunnels they could make would be so large that they would cave themselves in
[2/15/2015 11:12:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I find that fascinating and wonder how it factors in to the solution to the Blight problem.
[2/15/2015 11:12:50 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Canon seems to be lining up for a cure to the Blight
[2/15/2015 11:13:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): and to some kind of connection between what Solas is going to do in the Anderfels and what the Warden is doing there.
[2/15/2015 11:13:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is it suggested that Solas is going to the anderfels?
[2/15/2015 11:13:31 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’d have to find it.
[2/15/2015 11:13:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): He’s traveling “west”.
[2/15/2015 11:13:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The only thing west of Orlais is the Anderfels.
[2/15/2015 11:13:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: actually the Anderfels is northwest
[2/15/2015 11:15:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: west of orlais is the Tirashan
[2/15/2015 11:15:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: which, from what i can see on the map
[2/15/2015 11:15:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: is an enormous forest
[2/15/2015 11:15:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: that makes the Brecilian forest look like a small clump of twigs
[2/15/2015 11:15:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: you also have the hunterhorn mountains, the urthemiel plateau and the sea of ash
[2/15/2015 11:16:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the anderfels are more north of orlais
[2/15/2015 11:16:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: than west
[2/15/2015 11:16:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Hm.
[2/15/2015 11:16:27 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Well I stand corrected.
[2/15/2015 11:16:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: and given the size of the Tirashan
[2/15/2015 11:16:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s probably wild enough
[2/15/2015 11:16:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: to make the Arbor Wilds look like a bastion of civilization
[2/15/2015 11:16:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100721040624/dragonage/images/8/80/ThedasMap.jpg
[2/15/2015 11:17:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: from what i can see on the map
[2/15/2015 11:17:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s larger than the entirety of fereldan
[2/15/2015 11:17:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): In any case, I still think canon is setting up for a connection between the Elvhen Gods, the Blight, the Betrayal of Mythal, and Ancient Tevinter.
[2/15/2015 11:17:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’d be interested to know when worship of the Old Gods started.
[2/15/2015 11:17:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): how long they were contemporary with Elvhen.
[2/15/2015 11:17:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think it’s most likely
[2/15/2015 11:17:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: that whatever humans the elves interacted with
[2/15/2015 11:17:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: were, at the very least
[2/15/2015 11:17:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: the precursers to the Tevene
[2/15/2015 11:19:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: ugh bioware
[2/15/2015 11:19:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: why did you have t name a month Solis
[2/15/2015 11:19:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: that means sunday in latin
[2/15/2015 11:19:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/15/2015 11:19:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: by the way, I really do want to apologize for insulting you earlier
[2/15/2015 11:19:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: it wasn’t my intention, and I really do apologize
[2/15/2015 11:20:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): You shouldn’t apologize too much. I, uh, have PTSD and sometimes certain tones make me very anxious because of my triggers etc.
[2/15/2015 11:20:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: well it’s also hard to percieve tone over the internet
[2/15/2015 11:20:40 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I love debate and constructive discussion, which this has been (though we clearly respectfully disagree on things), I just get very buggy sometimes.
[2/15/2015 11:20:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: no worries, I understand
[2/15/2015 11:20:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: I have a few friends who have PTSD
[2/15/2015 11:20:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Which is not your fault at all.
[2/15/2015 11:21:58 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): On top of that, due to my thoughts being extremely abstract, I have issues articulating myself and what I think doesn’t always translate well to paper.
[2/15/2015 11:22:00 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Or to text.
[2/15/2015 11:22:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/15/2015 11:22:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: dear bioware
[2/15/2015 11:22:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: if you’re going to base a language on latin
[2/15/2015 11:22:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: you should probably remember
[2/15/2015 11:22:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: that Th and dh doesn’t exist in latin
[2/15/2015 11:25:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA HA
[2/15/2015 11:25:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh well
[2/15/2015 11:25:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: no going back now
[2/15/2015 11:26:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): You’ll just have to be annoyed in secret.
[2/15/2015 11:26:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/15/2015 11:26:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: trying to come up with names for modern tevinter days
[2/15/2015 11:26:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: while staying true to definition
[2/15/2015 11:26:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): This is clearly your area of expertise anyway. I’m more in the realm of “this is why this character is the way that they are let me write you an essay”.
[2/15/2015 11:27:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/15/2015 11:27:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: we’ll make a good pair
[2/15/2015 11:27:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I could talk forever about Solas or Dorian or anyone you asked and answer why I think they do things.
[2/15/2015 11:27:11 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Based on evidence, of course.
[2/15/2015 11:27:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Of course there are always many valid interpretations.
[2/15/2015 11:28:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course
[2/15/2015 11:29:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Like Solas, I think, only lies out of necessity. I think what he says has to be decoded, but his lies are selective and there is a ring of truth to things that he says.
[2/15/2015 11:30:00 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): This is because lying with the truth is, of course, far more effective than just making shit up.
[2/15/2015 11:30:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/15/2015 11:30:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I’m the dread wolf.”
[2/15/2015 11:30:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: “LOLOLOLOL. YEAH OKAY.”
[2/15/2015 11:30:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If people detect a note of sincerity, they’re less likely to doubt you.
[2/15/2015 11:30:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The dread what says the chantry.
[2/15/2015 11:30:47 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): disgusted noise
[2/15/2015 11:31:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Like his whole explanation of his past? Obviously bullshit, and yet there is a ring of truth to what he says.
[2/15/2015 11:31:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Sincere sentiment.
[2/15/2015 11:31:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): “I liked to spend my time alone”.
[2/15/2015 11:31:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): “Being awake became troublesome”.
[2/15/2015 11:31:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/15/2015 11:32:58 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): ALSO I love his “no more than a brightly colored fruit is deliberately tempting you to eat it” line because it is SO ambiguous.
[2/15/2015 11:33:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas is such an asshat.
[2/15/2015 11:33:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): YOUR WORDS ARE SO PRETTY
[2/15/2015 11:33:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): BUT SO SNEAKY.
[2/15/2015 11:33:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: when does he say that. I know he says it, but I’m trying to place it
[2/15/2015 11:34:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): In Haven when you ask him about whether or not demons came after him when he was asleep.
[2/15/2015 11:34:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s right
[2/15/2015 11:34:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That answer is PERFECT
[2/15/2015 11:34:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): because sometimes a bright piece of fruit is like MAN I’M REALLY HUNGRY I NEED THAT FRUIT but other times you could care less.
[2/15/2015 11:34:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): He’s basically placing he blame for people who get possessed on them without coming out and saying it.
[2/15/2015 11:35:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: dear bioware, you’re making me want to create an Avaarian language
[2/15/2015 11:35:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: y u do this
[2/15/2015 11:36:02 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): And then he calls himself interesting.
[2/15/2015 11:36:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Gah.
[2/15/2015 11:36:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: haha
[2/15/2015 11:36:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas has this huge ego but also a guilt complex.
[2/15/2015 11:36:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: well his name does mean pride
[2/15/2015 11:36:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: it also means light in gaelic :p
[2/15/2015 11:36:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): EVERYTHING IS MY FAULT BUT I’M SO AMAZING
[2/15/2015 11:40:49 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah.
[2/15/2015 11:40:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas’ pride is complex, though.
[2/15/2015 11:41:07 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think a lot of people misunderstand it and make him out to be way more arrogant than he actually is.
[2/15/2015 11:41:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas has quite the ego and is very self-assured, but his pride is more in insisting upon doing things on his own than it is in anything else.
[2/15/2015 11:41:40 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): His mind can be changed.
[2/15/2015 11:41:54 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Actually his arc in the game is him struggling with his mind being changed.
[2/15/2015 11:42:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): On top of that, despite being confident in his opinions on things, Solas is not actually very confident in his actions and interactions with other people, nor does he have faith in his own intentions.
[2/15/2015 11:42:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): he second guesses himself constantly.
[2/15/2015 11:43:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): He beats himself up for his decisions, even though he takes responsibility for the consequences of his actions.
[2/15/2015 11:43:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Weirdly self loathing, insanely confident.
[2/15/2015 11:43:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): he’s quite complex.
[2/15/2015 11:43:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/15/2015 11:43:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: don’t mind me, still doing tevinter modern days
[2/15/2015 11:44:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: alright
[2/15/2015 11:44:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: so for ancient tevinter
[2/15/2015 11:44:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: i  have, gonig from sunday to monday
[2/15/2015 11:45:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m just ranting Solas to calm my nerves don’t mind me.
[2/15/2015 11:47:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: dies Tothis (Toth’s day)
dies Lusacanis (Lusacan’s day)
dies Zazikelis (zazikel’s day)
dies Razikalis (razikale’s day)
dies Dumatis (Dumat’s day)
dies Urthemis (Urthemiel’s day)
dies Andoralis (Andoral’s day)
[2/15/2015 11:47:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: going from sunday to satuday, rather
[2/15/2015 11:47:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: so tothis would be sunday, lusacanis monday, zazikelis tuesday, etc
[2/15/2015 11:47:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: i tried to match the gods with their associated meanings similar to the roman days
[2/15/2015 11:48:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. Solis is the day of the sun
[2/15/2015 11:48:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. sunday
[2/15/2015 11:48:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: and Toth is the god of Fire
[2/15/2015 11:48:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: so Tothis
[2/15/2015 11:48:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: for modern tevinter, again going from sunday to saturday
[2/15/2015 11:48:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: we have
[2/15/2015 11:48:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: dies Solaris
dies Lunae
dies Agris
dies Mercatis
dies Caelis
dies Fortunis
dies Ubertis
[2/15/2015 11:49:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Cool.
[2/15/2015 11:50:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ha ha ha I keep reading Toth as Thoth.
[2/15/2015 11:50:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): God damnit.
[2/15/2015 11:50:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: tried to stick with meanings
[2/15/2015 11:50:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: Solis = Solaris
[2/15/2015 11:50:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: Lunae is the same
[2/15/2015 11:50:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Day of the Sun
[2/15/2015 11:50:25 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah.
[2/15/2015 11:50:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: Agris for Martis
[2/15/2015 11:50:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: because Mars was also the god of agriculture
[2/15/2015 11:50:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: and agris means fields
[2/15/2015 11:51:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: Mercatis for Mercurii
[2/15/2015 11:51:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ohh, cool.
[2/15/2015 11:51:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: since Mecury was the god of merchants among other things
[2/15/2015 11:52:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and mercatis is the latin word for markets
[2/15/2015 11:52:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: Caelis for Iovis
[2/15/2015 11:52:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: since Jupiter was the god of the sky, and Caelum is the latin word for sky or heaven
[2/15/2015 11:53:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: Caelis would be heavens or heaven’s
[2/15/2015 11:54:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I actually knew that about Caelum but that’s because I have a character named Caylum who is an Elf in one of my stories and I based his name off of Caelum for plot reasons.
[2/15/2015 11:54:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: nod
[2/15/2015 11:54:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: fortunis for Veneris
[2/15/2015 11:55:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: as Venus was the goddess of prosperity
[2/15/2015 11:55:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: and fortunis is the genitive of fortuna, which means fortune or prosperity
[2/15/2015 11:56:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: and finally ubertis for saturni
[2/15/2015 11:57:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and ubertas is the latin word for plenty, and saturn was the god of plenty
[2/15/2015 11:58:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): :D
[2/15/2015 11:58:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That works out.
[2/15/2015 11:58:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^^
[2/15/2015 11:59:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m trying to figure out whether uthenera made solas bald or if he shaves his head to keep up his hobo apostate veneer
[2/16/2015 12:00:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: i doubt it made him bald
[2/16/2015 12:00:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: obviously the real reason
[2/16/2015 12:00:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: is because bioware thought he looked wiser without hair
[2/16/2015 12:00:45 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): well yeah
[2/16/2015 12:00:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: in terms of personal reasons, he probably just shaves it
[2/16/2015 12:00:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: because he finds it aesthetical pleasing
[2/16/2015 12:00:57 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): but my job as a writer is to explain these things with canon reasons
[2/16/2015 12:01:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: or because there was an event where long hair got in the way
[2/16/2015 12:01:37 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I kind of always was under the impression that the long sleep made people bald because of Abelas and the Sentinels
[2/16/2015 12:02:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: well Abelas wears a hood
[2/16/2015 12:02:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: as do some other sentinels
[2/16/2015 12:02:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: so they may not be bald
[2/16/2015 12:02:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: it could also be a religious right
[2/16/2015 12:02:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: like with many religions in our own world where cloistered monks shave their head or cut their hair into tonsures
[2/16/2015 12:03:30 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Abelas has no eyebrows.
[2/16/2015 12:03:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: really?
[2/16/2015 12:03:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: goes to look
Fen'Harillen (Miles)
[2/16/2015 12:04:26 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): No eyebrows.
[2/16/2015 12:04:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: hmm
[2/16/2015 12:04:50 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): WHICH is why I thought their hair fell out.
[2/16/2015 12:04:57 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Because no eyebrows.
[2/16/2015 12:05:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s possible
[2/16/2015 12:05:12 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Though it would be funny if mythal demanded her servants shave their eyebrows off in obeisance not going to lie.
[2/16/2015 12:05:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: i can’t think of anything thta would cause it, however
[2/16/2015 12:05:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i think such an explanation limits the writer
[2/16/2015 12:05:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think them actively doing it
[2/16/2015 12:05:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: is a better reason
[2/16/2015 12:05:35 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think it’s funnier.
[2/16/2015 12:05:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: than they randomly develop alopecia while in Uth'then'era
[2/16/2015 12:05:59 AM] *** Fen'Harillen (Miles) shrugs ***
[2/16/2015 12:06:16 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): This is one of those things we’re not going to get an explanation on.
[2/16/2015 12:06:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: it might be ritualistic
[2/16/2015 12:06:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: after all, your hair is going to keep growing
[2/16/2015 12:06:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: they might shave their heads
[2/16/2015 12:06:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: and use some sort of tonic/magic to make their hair not grow
[2/16/2015 12:06:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: so as not to wake up as chewbacca
[2/16/2015 12:07:16 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I assumed it was uthenera for some reason but it’s not like there will ever be an answer.
[2/16/2015 12:07:23 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Some religious orders
[2/16/2015 12:07:28 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): especially Egyptian ones
[2/16/2015 12:07:37 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): demanded the shaving of all body hair in the service of the gods.
[2/16/2015 12:07:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: yup
[2/16/2015 12:07:44 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Including pubic hair.
[2/16/2015 12:07:46 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Etc.
[2/16/2015 12:07:50 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): So it’s certainly POSSIBLE.
[2/16/2015 12:07:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: mhmmm
[2/16/2015 12:08:39 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I SHAVED MY EYEBROWS FOR MYTHAL
[2/16/2015 12:08:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/16/2015 12:09:50 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): For some reason I had this impression that Fen'Harel’s worship didn’t happen in the same way as the other gods
[2/16/2015 12:09:55 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think I blame Felassan for that one.
[2/16/2015 12:10:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think he was worshipped
[2/16/2015 12:10:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: but rather he was kind of a philosophical foil to the other gods
[2/16/2015 12:10:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: so it was more of an idea that he embodied qualities
[2/16/2015 12:10:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. rebellion, freedom, etc
[2/16/2015 12:11:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps he was a symbol of keeping the other gods in check
[2/16/2015 12:11:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. he was in all of their temples in some way
[2/16/2015 12:11:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. “the gods watch us. But Fen'harel watches the gods.”
[2/16/2015 12:11:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: and then you eventually have the question of, “But then who watches Fen'harel?”
[2/16/2015 12:11:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: the whole who watches the watchers question
[2/16/2015 12:12:14 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s kind of
[2/16/2015 12:12:20 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): What I thought?
[2/16/2015 12:12:25 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That he didn’t have any proper temples or anything?
[2/16/2015 12:12:34 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That he was sort of the foil to the gods?
[2/16/2015 12:12:51 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It would explain why the Dalish remember him as being “different”, certainly.
[2/16/2015 12:12:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i think that might be why he’s so critical of them during What Pride Hath Wrouth
[2/16/2015 12:12:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: Wrought*
[2/16/2015 12:13:12 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): “It’s my job to be an asshole and criticize you”
[2/16/2015 12:13:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: like “yeah, these guys were actually kind of assholes.”
[2/16/2015 12:13:22 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): so r u solas
[2/16/2015 12:13:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/16/2015 12:13:44 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I love him, but he’s a huge jerk. A goodhearted and complex jerk, but a jerk.
[2/16/2015 12:14:26 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I mean he IS the God of Opposition.
[2/16/2015 12:14:43 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I want to know more about the forgotten ones though.
[2/16/2015 12:14:46 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think
[2/16/2015 12:14:59 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): if anyone is connected to the Old Gods it’s them
[2/16/2015 12:15:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: that’s a theory i have as well, to an extent
[2/16/2015 12:16:27 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah?
[2/16/2015 12:21:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: mmm
[2/16/2015 1:02:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: god that took so much longer than I anticipated
[2/16/2015 1:02:49 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah
[2/16/2015 1:03:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: i started at what
[2/16/2015 1:03:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: fucking 8pm
[2/16/2015 1:03:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: jesus
[2/16/2015 1:12:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: seriously that took me like five hours
[2/16/2015 1:12:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: what is wrong with me
[2/16/2015 1:12:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/16/2015 1:19:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: i should work more on PE
[2/16/2015 1:19:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: but blargh
[2/16/2015 1:19:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: i just spent 5 hours translating latin for a calendar
[2/16/2015 1:19:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m gonna go play some inquisition
[2/16/2015 1:22:11 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Sounds fun.
[2/16/2015 1:22:14 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m going to do this homework.
[2/16/2015 1:22:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: have fun
[2/16/2015 1:23:43 AM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): You too
[2/16/2015 8:03:20 AM] Helig: I am very angry about timezones rn.
[2/16/2015 8:03:54 AM] Helig: Looks like you lot had fun while I slept. (I’ll have to read it all later tho.)
[2/16/2015 4:41:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh damnit bioware
[2/16/2015 4:41:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s in my head
[2/16/2015 4:41:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have no choice
[2/16/2015 4:41:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: once elvish is done
[2/16/2015 4:41:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: I’m going to be working on Tevene and Alamarri
[2/16/2015 4:42:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: which won’t be as much work
[2/16/2015 4:42:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): HA HA HA HA HA
[2/16/2015 4:42:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: as they’re just be augmentations of Latin and Proto-Germanic respectively
[2/16/2015 4:43:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: but there needs to be a linguistic reason for Thedas having the same days as us
[2/16/2015 4:43:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and given that the Norse gods, and the Roman gods don’t exist in Thedas
[2/16/2015 4:43:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: it has to be a different reason
[2/16/2015 4:43:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example, Friday
[2/16/2015 4:43:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: Frigga’s day
[2/16/2015 4:43:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: in Alamarri, frigga could be the word for rest
[2/16/2015 4:43:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: or a famous Alamarri hero
[2/16/2015 4:43:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: Thursday
[2/16/2015 4:43:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: Thor’s day
[2/16/2015 4:44:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: thor in alamarri could mean sk
[2/16/2015 4:44:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: sky*
[2/16/2015 4:44:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: or lightning
[2/16/2015 4:44:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: Sunday and Monday are easy
[2/16/2015 4:44:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: sun day
[2/16/2015 4:44:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: moon day
[2/16/2015 4:44:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: tuesday
[2/16/2015 4:44:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: tiwaz’s day
[2/16/2015 4:44:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: Tiwaz coudl mean sky
[2/16/2015 4:44:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: or clouds
[2/16/2015 4:44:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: or heavens
[2/16/2015 4:45:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i should totally just send all this stuff to bioware
[2/16/2015 4:45:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: with a cover letter
[2/16/2015 4:45:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: that says
[2/16/2015 4:45:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: “HIRE ME”
[2/16/2015 4:45:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: ….
[2/16/2015 4:45:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: goddamnit
[2/16/2015 4:45:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: *starts a new file for Alamarri
[2/16/2015 4:45:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/16/2015 4:45:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i need help
[2/16/2015 4:46:12 PM] Helig: They hire you and then they make you keep the languages secret
[2/16/2015 4:46:21 PM] Helig: Call 991
[2/16/2015 4:46:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/16/2015 4:46:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s 911 here in America
[2/16/2015 4:46:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh i would have no problem keeping some of the language stuff secret
[2/16/2015 4:46:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: but come on
[2/16/2015 4:47:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: Amatus for 'my love’?
[2/16/2015 4:47:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: amatus is an adjective
[2/16/2015 4:47:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: bad bioware, no cookie
[2/16/2015 4:47:14 PM] Helig: …no cake?
[2/16/2015 4:47:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: no cake either
[2/16/2015 4:47:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: but clearly Tevene is not Latin
[2/16/2015 4:47:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: neither was ancient Tevene
[2/16/2015 4:47:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: unless the spelling has changed
[2/16/2015 4:48:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are many morphemes used in Tevene words that Latin, quite simply, did not have
[2/16/2015 4:48:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: some of them are “small,” mistakes
[2/16/2015 4:48:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): yep
[2/16/2015 4:48:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. basing your language on russian
[2/16/2015 4:48:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: and having it use a plethora of articles
[2/16/2015 4:48:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: others are bigger
[2/16/2015 4:48:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. amatus
[2/16/2015 4:48:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: “hello amatus”
[2/16/2015 4:48:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: is saying
[2/16/2015 4:48:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Hello loving.”
[2/16/2015 4:48:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: no.
[2/16/2015 4:49:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: BUT WHAT ABOUT LOVELY, MARK?!
[2/16/2015 4:49:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: that would be venustus
[2/16/2015 4:49:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: or decorus
[2/16/2015 4:50:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: bellus, I believe would also work
[2/16/2015 4:50:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: but I believe bellus was for men
[2/16/2015 4:50:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas venustus and decorus and decoris were for women
[2/16/2015 4:50:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s been a while since I’ve studied latin
[2/16/2015 4:51:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: Alamarri being based upon proto-germanic, or germanic, or flemish, etc
[2/16/2015 4:51:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: makes sense to me
[2/16/2015 4:51:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: because that explains why Fereldan speaks english
[2/16/2015 4:52:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: as well as why the rest of Thedas would use european languages
[2/16/2015 4:52:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem, however
[2/16/2015 4:52:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: is the the Ander language
[2/16/2015 4:52:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is clearly a germanic language
[2/16/2015 4:53:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: given that Ander is the language used to name darkspawn
[2/16/2015 4:53:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: or at least Genlock and Hurlock
[2/16/2015 4:53:37 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Welp
[2/16/2015 4:53:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: which can be written also as Genloch and Hurloch
[2/16/2015 4:53:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: or Genloq or Hirloq
[2/16/2015 4:53:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: either way, it becomes some sort of germanic dialect
[2/16/2015 4:54:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: even if you make the K a g
[2/16/2015 4:54:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: Hurlog
[2/16/2015 4:54:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: Genlog
[2/16/2015 4:54:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: it still stays germanic
[2/16/2015 4:54:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: which, while not impossible
[2/16/2015 4:54:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a long way for a language to travel
[2/16/2015 4:55:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, the names indicate that it is based on german
[2/16/2015 4:55:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: Hossberg
[2/16/2015 4:55:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: Kassel
[2/16/2015 4:55:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: Nordbotten
[2/16/2015 4:55:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: Weisshaupt
[2/16/2015 4:56:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: Feral Fjords
[2/16/2015 4:56:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: so it is some germanic dialect
[2/16/2015 4:56:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: whether it be closer to a softer language like Norwegian
[2/16/2015 4:56:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: or a harder language like Flemish or German
[2/16/2015 4:57:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course it’s possible
[2/16/2015 4:57:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: that the Alamarri
[2/16/2015 4:57:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the Anders
[2/16/2015 4:57:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: were once the same set of tribes
[2/16/2015 4:57:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar peoples have moved further away from each other in the real world
[2/16/2015 4:58:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: The sami basically populated the entirety of middle and eastern europe, including many parts of Russia
[2/16/2015 4:58:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: or so their legends and some historical evidence suggests
[2/16/2015 5:28:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/16/2015 5:28:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m doing a conlang for Alamarri
[2/16/2015 5:28:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: what has my life become
[2/16/2015 5:28:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: i am basing it upon proto-germanic, low middle german and old english
[2/16/2015 5:29:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: with a few smatterings of latin and middle french
[2/16/2015 5:29:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean whoever decided that Ferelden was fertile valley
[2/16/2015 5:29:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have to give it to them
[2/16/2015 5:30:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: as one of the root words of Fertile is the latin ferre
[2/16/2015 5:30:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: to bear
[2/16/2015 5:30:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: and denne is valley in middle low german, and in old english,it’s denu
[2/16/2015 5:33:33 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): impressive
[2/16/2015 5:34:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: of coruse that doesn’t mean it’s all perfect
[2/16/2015 5:34:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: many of their names contradict each other in their phonetics
[2/16/2015 5:34:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: but two out of three ain’t bad
[2/16/2015 5:56:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: maybe i should make it a simplified version of proto-germanic
[2/16/2015 5:56:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: as conjugation in proto germanic is crazy as fuck
[2/16/2015 5:57:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: you have your moods (indicative, subjunctive and imperative)
[2/16/2015 5:57:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: your voices (active and passive)
[2/16/2015 5:57:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: then past and present (Future is done with auxiliary verbs similar to english)
[2/16/2015 5:59:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: not to mention the past and present participle
[2/16/2015 5:59:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: put that together and you have a total of 55 possible conjugations
[2/16/2015 5:59:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: brain explodes
[2/16/2015 6:00:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah i’m gonna simplify it
[2/16/2015 6:00:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: gonna decide conjugatoin and then get back to Elvhen
[2/16/2015 6:03:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: but on the other hand I do want the language to have depth
[2/16/2015 6:04:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah 55 conjugations it is
[2/16/2015 6:04:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: because it removes the need for SO many prepositions and auxiliary verbs
[2/16/2015 6:04:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: so fuck it
[2/16/2015 7:09:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: i shouldn’t get this excited about verb conjugations
[2/16/2015 7:09:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I should work on this first chapter of my urban au fantasy
[2/16/2015 7:09:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): but i’m just
[2/16/2015 7:09:33 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): rping
[2/16/2015 7:09:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): and crying
[2/16/2015 7:09:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): about solas
[2/16/2015 7:10:19 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): sometimes I worry I play him as too tolerant but yolo at this point
[2/16/2015 7:23:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s official
[2/16/2015 7:23:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: once i finish elvish
[2/16/2015 7:23:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m working on Tevene, Ander and Alamarri
[2/16/2015 7:24:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ander will be more similar to Old High German and Modern german, with a smattering of proto-germanic and old english
[2/16/2015 7:25:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas Alamarri will be similar to middle low german, old english and a bit of proto-germanic
[2/16/2015 7:25:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: needless to say, Tevene will basically just be an augmented version of Latin
[2/17/2015 1:09:15 PM] Helig: great lines to hear from elves in da2: “i wonder what old Elven for shit-heap was”
[2/17/2015 4:29:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): so do I
[2/18/2015 9:41:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: flops
[2/19/2015 9:44:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m now trying to figure out why people make Cole more human.
[2/19/2015 9:45:10 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s an interesting thing to try and figure out.
[2/19/2015 9:45:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: i did it one playthrough because i wanted to see how it played out
[2/19/2015 9:45:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: overall, i think the spirit-path fits his character more
[2/19/2015 9:45:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially since his human path makes the gun safety part of my brain want to reach through the computer and slap varric
[2/19/2015 9:45:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/19/2015 9:46:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I
[2/19/2015 9:46:54 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It bothers me.
[2/19/2015 9:46:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Varric
[2/19/2015 9:47:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): in that quest
[2/19/2015 9:47:02 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): bothers me.
[2/19/2015 9:47:03 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): A lot.
[2/19/2015 9:47:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: me too
[2/19/2015 9:47:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I LOVE Varric but
[2/19/2015 9:47:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think it would have worked better
[2/19/2015 9:47:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: if instead of making it Varric’s choice between Solas’s choice
[2/19/2015 9:47:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: you hav ethe choice between urging cole to forgive
[2/19/2015 9:47:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: and urging him to take revenge
[2/19/2015 9:47:38 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s like he’s trying to force Cole to be what he wants Cole to be.
[2/19/2015 9:47:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think that’s the meaning, but it is how it came across
[2/19/2015 9:48:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: and again
[2/19/2015 9:48:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: the whole 'unloaded crossbow’ thing
[2/19/2015 9:48:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: makes me want to slap varric silly
[2/19/2015 9:48:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: no
[2/19/2015 9:48:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: just
[2/19/2015 9:48:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: no
[2/19/2015 9:48:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: you don’t do that
[2/19/2015 9:48:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: ever
[2/19/2015 9:48:28 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I know that’s not the meaning but
[2/19/2015 9:48:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s how it comes across, yeah.
[2/19/2015 9:49:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: a bunch of the coiches in personal quests were weird like that
[2/19/2015 9:49:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: also let me get this straight
[2/19/2015 9:49:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: solas loses friend
[2/19/2015 9:49:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: loses shit
[2/19/2015 9:49:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: kills mages, and you lose approval if you stop him
[2/19/2015 9:49:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: but…
[2/19/2015 9:49:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: “No cole, you must do teh forgiveness”
[2/19/2015 9:50:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah but Solas says it’s because spirits are capable of forgiveness that people aren’t.
[2/19/2015 9:50:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps
[2/19/2015 9:50:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: although what bothered me most about solas’s choice
[2/19/2015 9:50:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s… not really the same thing.
He doesn’t want to hurt Cole by perverting his nature but
[2/19/2015 9:50:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: is how…. silly it seemed
[2/19/2015 9:50:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: the choice should have been more gray
[2/19/2015 9:50:40 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t think it seems silly at all. It’s very consistent with his character.
[2/19/2015 9:50:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean in how it was presented
[2/19/2015 9:50:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: not the actualy choice itself
[2/19/2015 9:51:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: having the choice between kill mages, something else
[2/19/2015 9:51:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: okay
[2/19/2015 9:51:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the choice
[2/19/2015 9:51:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: is kill mages
[2/19/2015 9:51:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: in which case
[2/19/2015 9:51:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: POOF FIREBALL
[2/19/2015 9:51:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they’re dead
[2/19/2015 9:51:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: or
[2/19/2015 9:51:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Solas… ”
[2/19/2015 9:51:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh okay, i guess I won’t kill them
[2/19/2015 9:51:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: really?
[2/19/2015 9:51:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: this dude just lost, what seemed to be, one of his closest friends ever
[2/19/2015 9:51:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: and when the inquisitor says to not kill the people who enslaved and essentially murdered her/it
[2/19/2015 9:51:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: he goes, “k”?
[2/19/2015 9:52:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: no back talk
[2/19/2015 9:52:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: no argument
[2/19/2015 9:52:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: at all?
[2/19/2015 9:52:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: it just feels rushed and glanced over to me
[2/19/2015 9:52:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: overall, the companion quests, barring a couple
[2/19/2015 9:52:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: feels rushed and glanced over for me
[2/19/2015 9:52:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: Bull’s is better
[2/19/2015 9:52:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: Cole’s is… decent
[2/19/2015 9:53:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: Cassandra’s is good
[2/19/2015 9:53:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: Vivienne’s feels like an afterthought and was very poorly executed
[2/19/2015 9:53:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: solas’s is… meh
[2/19/2015 9:53:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: sera’s is a fucking war table mission
[2/19/2015 9:53:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: blackwall’s is good
[2/19/2015 9:54:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I disagree with you about Solas.
[2/19/2015 9:54:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): His mission says a lot about him personally.
[2/19/2015 9:54:23 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I think it was handled well and
[2/19/2015 9:54:38 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): his decision not to kill them is not as spontaneous as it appears.
[2/19/2015 9:54:47 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): unfortunately I could not currently explain why I think that
[2/19/2015 9:54:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I know WHY but translating it into words is…
[2/19/2015 9:54:54 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): difficult.
[2/19/2015 9:54:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/19/2015 9:55:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: i just immediately thought, “that’s it?” at the end of it
[2/19/2015 9:55:28 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s because Solas is a character whose subtext is more important than his text.
[2/19/2015 9:55:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: okay Patrick :p
[2/19/2015 9:55:56 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): :|
[2/19/2015 9:56:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think you got my joke
[2/19/2015 9:57:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Probably not. I’ve been having a bad month. It’s unfortunate that you had to meet me when I’m at my worst.
[2/19/2015 9:57:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m not usually this…
[2/19/2015 9:57:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: Patrick Weekes is the name of Solas’s writer
[2/19/2015 9:58:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): ha ha ha if you had said weekes XD
[2/19/2015 9:58:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/19/2015 9:58:24 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like Weekes. He’s like me and takes himself too seriously I think.
[2/19/2015 9:58:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: most writers do
[2/19/2015 9:58:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: (says the writer)
[2/19/2015 9:59:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: he’s definitely the best writer Bioware has right now
[2/19/2015 9:59:14 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): … Yeah he is.
[2/19/2015 9:59:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I don’t think anyone else could have handled Solas.
[2/19/2015 9:59:31 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): His style reminds me of mine.
[2/19/2015 9:59:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Solas is the kind of character I would write.
[2/19/2015 9:59:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think david could have
[2/19/2015 9:59:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i don’t think David would have been as subtle
[2/19/2015 9:59:47 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): No.
[2/19/2015 9:59:56 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): He wouldn’t have.
Gaider is really good at in your face characters.
[2/19/2015 9:59:57 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Fenris.
[2/19/2015 9:59:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: weekes is very good with subtlety
[2/19/2015 10:00:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I love Fenris.
[2/19/2015 10:00:17 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Which is why Weeks is perfect for Solas. Solas required subtext.
[2/19/2015 10:00:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): he almost did too well
[2/19/2015 10:00:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i wouldn’t say the two are mutually inclusive
[2/19/2015 10:00:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If you’re not good at picking up on that stuff Solas is probably boring.
[2/19/2015 10:00:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: just because a character is in your face
[2/19/2015 10:00:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: doesn’t mean they can’t have a ton of subtext
[2/19/2015 10:01:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: just because a character is subtle doesn’t mean they automatically  have more subtext
[2/19/2015 10:01:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: a good example is Mira from Kotor 2
[2/19/2015 10:01:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Well yes I know.
[2/19/2015 10:01:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I am a writer.
[2/19/2015 10:01:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: very in your face
[2/19/2015 10:01:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: but shittons of subtext
[2/19/2015 10:01:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: but on the whole, Bioware isn’t very good at subtlety
[2/19/2015 10:02:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: apart from Weekes, for the most part
[2/19/2015 10:02:43 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I appreciate subtlety.
[2/19/2015 10:02:59 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s one of my strengths as a writer so I guess that’s why I’m drawn to Solas artistically?
[2/19/2015 10:03:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: maybe
[2/19/2015 10:03:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: overall, most of bioware’s work is very “HERE IS THE THING”
[2/19/2015 10:03:30 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have noticed.
[2/19/2015 10:03:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: they don’t really give you a lot to read into
[2/19/2015 10:03:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: compared to say, the Black Isle stuff
[2/19/2015 10:03:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: most of Obsidian’s work
[2/19/2015 10:03:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: or CD Projekt’s work on the Witcher
[2/19/2015 10:04:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course to be fair
[2/19/2015 10:04:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: with the amount of info that needs to be dumped
[2/19/2015 10:04:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s much harder to be subtle with an RPG
[2/19/2015 10:04:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: than, say, a shooter
[2/19/2015 10:04:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: since the easy way out
[2/19/2015 10:04:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: is to just beat the player over the head with expositoin for the first hour
[2/19/2015 10:05:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: a stick that many RPGs have used with glorious abandon
[2/19/2015 10:05:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Hm.
[2/19/2015 10:05:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Yeah.
[2/19/2015 10:05:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: for the most part, bioware usually does a good job of showing
[2/19/2015 10:05:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m a fantasy writer but I’m more into immersion as a technique.
[2/19/2015 10:05:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: instead of telling
[2/19/2015 10:06:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Dragon Age isn’t even as complex as it would need to be were it to be a written work.
[2/19/2015 10:06:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: they have a few missteps
[2/19/2015 10:06:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: cough jade empire cough
[2/19/2015 10:06:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): There’s so much you can show through visuals that people take for granted.
[2/19/2015 10:06:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/19/2015 10:06:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think one of the best series at introducing the player
[2/19/2015 10:06:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: for RPGs, at least
[2/19/2015 10:06:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: is The Elder Scrolls
[2/19/2015 10:07:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: they do a ton of storytelling through gameplay
[2/19/2015 10:07:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and there’s a ton of lore there
[2/19/2015 10:07:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s all done in-world
[2/19/2015 10:07:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: and is all optional
[2/19/2015 10:07:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think that’s a much better way of doing it
[2/19/2015 10:07:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: than, say, a codex
[2/19/2015 10:07:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): TES is pretty good, yeah.
[2/19/2015 10:07:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: although Inquisition did the codex a bit better than Origins and 2
[2/19/2015 10:07:46 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): At least from that standpoint.
[2/19/2015 10:07:50 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I…
[2/19/2015 10:07:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas mass effect is just
[2/19/2015 10:07:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: “HERE HAVE THIS GIGANTIC INFODUMP”
[2/19/2015 10:08:01 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Prefer Dragon Age for the character-driven plot.
[2/19/2015 10:08:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh, story and charcater wise, Dragon Age is far superior
[2/19/2015 10:08:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: on the whole, the writing in TES is crap
[2/19/2015 10:08:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they do the idea of showing, instead of telling, very well
[2/19/2015 10:09:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They do it very well, yes.
[2/19/2015 10:09:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like the gameplay very much.
[2/19/2015 10:09:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/19/2015 10:09:52 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I just love Dragon Age. It reminds me of my own world a lot.
[2/19/2015 10:10:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The way magic works is somewhat similar, though I don’t really have anything quite like the Fade.
[2/19/2015 10:10:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they did a good job of “old but new”
[2/19/2015 10:10:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes it’s the same old tired “Let’s rip out a piece of Tolkien’s backyard”
[2/19/2015 10:10:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s done well, and in a way that makes it fresh
[2/19/2015 10:10:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: the world carries a fantasy story
[2/19/2015 10:10:51 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’ve made most of my own races.
[2/19/2015 10:10:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the fact that so many fans are reading into the cultures
[2/19/2015 10:10:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: the languages, etc
[2/19/2015 10:11:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: proves, at least to me, that they did a very good job of world building
[2/19/2015 10:11:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m very Elf-focused in Dragon Age, which I’m told makes me cliché and boring.
[2/19/2015 10:11:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: ah yes
[2/19/2015 10:11:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: the fantasy-hipster logic
[2/19/2015 10:12:00 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m NOT Elf-focused in Tolkien Lore.
[2/19/2015 10:12:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): So it’s not like a
“I LOVE ELVES” thing.
[2/19/2015 10:12:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: well if you go by the logic most people use for why elves are boring
[2/19/2015 10:12:20 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s… Just I really like Elf-Lore in Dragon Age.
[2/19/2015 10:12:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: that logic dictates that pretty much everything associated with tolkien is cliche and boring
[2/19/2015 10:12:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: so dwarves are cliche and boring
[2/19/2015 10:12:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: humans are sure as hell cliche and borin
[2/19/2015 10:12:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you must now play a qunari
[2/19/2015 10:12:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: or you are cliche and boring
[2/19/2015 10:13:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: except that qunari are based upon big giant elves
[2/19/2015 10:13:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Like I said, I’ve tried to make my fantasy world fresh by creating my own races and placing them alongside old ones.
[2/19/2015 10:13:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: so they cliche and  boring too
[2/19/2015 10:13:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: everything is cliche and boring
[2/19/2015 10:13:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: look at me with my tight pants and glasses and how i hate everything you know about it because it’s too mainstream for me
[2/19/2015 10:13:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: my world doesn’t use any of the tolkien races, but that’s because it’s takes place on another planet :p
[2/19/2015 10:13:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: although there are analogues
[2/19/2015 10:13:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: one race is basically human
[2/19/2015 10:13:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: because you need enough familiarity to draw people into the world
[2/19/2015 10:13:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Mine takes place on another planet as well.
[2/19/2015 10:14:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): My “humans” are not called Humans, but I’m not sure what else to call them at this point.
[2/19/2015 10:14:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: mine are called Hunuis
[2/19/2015 10:14:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: pronouned “hun-wee”
[2/19/2015 10:14:29 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have Elves and Dwarves.
[2/19/2015 10:15:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But also Darcids, Lupi, and Avrens, among other strange hybrid races.
[2/19/2015 10:15:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Not all of them are mammalian.
[2/19/2015 10:16:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I’m still working at my worldbuilding. Until this year it was all very “I came up with his in 7th grade” so everything had to be torn down and rebuilt.
[2/19/2015 10:16:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve been working on world building
[2/19/2015 10:16:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: because i’ve been donig it long enough
[2/19/2015 10:16:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: that i figure i might as well get the world done before I release it
[2/19/2015 10:16:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: the races are
[2/19/2015 10:16:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: hunuis, which are the human equivalent
[2/19/2015 10:17:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avais (ah-vice)
[2/19/2015 10:17:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: which are slightly influenced by elves
[2/19/2015 10:17:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are monkey and cat like
[2/19/2015 10:17:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: with prehensile tails
[2/19/2015 10:17:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: pointed ears
[2/19/2015 10:17:35 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like that.
[2/19/2015 10:17:55 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I… didn’t want my Elves to be Tolkieny, though that’s always the risk you run, I guess.
[2/19/2015 10:18:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: eyes similar to cats and are of smaller stature than hunuis
[2/19/2015 10:18:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: then there are the vachnoi
[2/19/2015 10:18:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: which look similar to hunuis, except they have scales instead of skin
[2/19/2015 10:18:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: only have hair upon their head (which they rarely cut and braid into very intracite designs)
[2/19/2015 10:19:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): My Darcids have scales instead of skin.
[2/19/2015 10:19:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and are incredibly limber and agile, far more than any human ever could be
[2/19/2015 10:19:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: The Vachnoi are interesting in their language
[2/19/2015 10:19:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: because while they have a written and spoken language
[2/19/2015 10:19:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s very long and cumbersome
[2/19/2015 10:19:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: and so their primary language is body language
[2/19/2015 10:19:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: so they paint their bodies with various tattoos and glyphs
[2/19/2015 10:19:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and use various body language in the same way we would use regular language
[2/19/2015 10:20:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: because the language itself is very cumbersome
[2/19/2015 10:20:50 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Interesting.
[2/19/2015 10:20:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: they have two spoken languages
[2/19/2015 10:21:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I honestly could tell you more about the political history of my world than individual cultures at this point, sadly.
[2/19/2015 10:21:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But as I’ve said, I’m rebuilding the entire thing.
[2/19/2015 10:21:31 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I know a lot about my races biologically, but I have yet to decide how that informs their culture and lifestyle.
[2/19/2015 10:21:38 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I also know the general areas they’ve settled in.
[2/19/2015 10:21:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/19/2015 10:21:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: then we have the Fralu
[2/19/2015 10:21:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: who are a reptilian race that live underground
[2/19/2015 10:22:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: and look like bi-pedal anthropomorphib salamanders
[2/19/2015 10:22:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are extremely technologically advanced compard to the other races
[2/19/2015 10:22:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: and few sex and sexuality as another form of communication
[2/19/2015 10:22:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. it’s very common for two friends to have sex
[2/19/2015 10:22:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: for the same reasons that we would hang out and watch a movie
[2/19/2015 10:22:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are a matriarchal society
[2/19/2015 10:23:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and their religion worships the sacred feminine, compared to our culture or most of the other culture sin my world that worship the sacred masculine
[2/19/2015 10:23:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: although it’s not just “our culture, but backwards”
[2/19/2015 10:23:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: although males are more often sexualized than females
[2/19/2015 10:24:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and societal roles are very much assigned per gender
[2/19/2015 10:24:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: females are the only ones allowed in primary leadership roles
[2/19/2015 10:24:23 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Interesting.
[2/19/2015 10:24:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: primary religious roles, and primary education roles
[2/19/2015 10:24:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: most of the head engineers are female
[2/19/2015 10:24:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: males are usually relegated to the grunt work
[2/19/2015 10:24:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: and assistant roles
[2/19/2015 10:25:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: females, similar to most lizards, give birth in a spawning pool
[2/19/2015 10:25:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: and give birth to many young at a time
[2/19/2015 10:25:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are also able to become fertile or infertile at will
[2/19/2015 10:25:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: explaining what a period is to a fralu
[2/19/2015 10:25:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: would be like trying to explain what color is to a person without eyes
[2/19/2015 10:25:44 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The Avrens have a matriarchal society.
[2/19/2015 10:25:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They’re…
[2/19/2015 10:25:53 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): kind of bird people.
[2/19/2015 10:26:09 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Except I was like “I don’t want wings just randomly stuck to a human back”.
[2/19/2015 10:26:13 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They can’t fly.
[2/19/2015 10:26:21 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): But they can glide short distances.
[2/19/2015 10:26:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s like my Therali
[2/19/2015 10:26:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: they literally are bird people
[2/19/2015 10:26:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and their physiology was designed so that them flying makes sense
[2/19/2015 10:26:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are also many creatures in their continent that have six limbs
[2/19/2015 10:26:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: to explain how they evolved to have two wings in addition to two arms
[2/19/2015 10:27:05 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The males have really long beautiful plumage but they’re relegated to certain roles in society.
[2/19/2015 10:27:34 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Females are less colorful.
[2/19/2015 10:27:41 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): They’re generally craftsman.
[2/19/2015 10:27:46 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Avrens share a continent with Dwarves.
[2/19/2015 10:28:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Therali are a very religious and patriarchal society
[2/19/2015 10:28:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: i based them upon the moors and the early christians
[2/19/2015 10:28:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are a theocracy
[2/19/2015 10:28:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: and their most severe crimes are religious
[2/19/2015 10:28:32 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Ohhhh
[2/19/2015 10:29:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: they aren’t as male centric as the moors/early christians were
[2/19/2015 10:29:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they are still male dominated
[2/19/2015 10:29:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. women take jobs of many kinds
[2/19/2015 10:29:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: but seeing them in traditional 'male’ fields is rare and frowned upon
[2/19/2015 10:30:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Clericy, which is the religion and the government
[2/19/2015 10:30:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: is filled with both men and women
[2/19/2015 10:30:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the majority of clerics are men
[2/19/2015 10:30:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: there is no religious-based male centricity, however
[2/19/2015 10:30:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s all societal, and based upon the culture they originated from before the religion evolved
[2/19/2015 10:31:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have a religious oligarchy as a form of government for my Dwarves.
[2/19/2015 10:31:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: in fact their most important god, Kenis, the god/goddess of knowledge
[2/19/2015 10:31:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: is most often portrayed as Female
[2/19/2015 10:31:26 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Humans are nomads. They’re not even the most numerous race.
[2/19/2015 10:31:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Avais are an oligarchy
[2/19/2015 10:31:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: the Fralu are a meritocracy
[2/19/2015 10:31:52 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s probably the Lupi, but they’re historically oppressed.
[2/19/2015 10:32:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: then there’s the Islay
[2/19/2015 10:32:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: which are a race of nomadic tribals that live in the wild wastelands of the northernmost continent, Vrajun
[2/19/2015 10:32:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are cannibalistic and a bit taller and stronger than a hunuis
[2/19/2015 10:32:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: they have sharp teeth, claws and predatory eyes
[2/19/2015 10:33:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are a predatory race and are strictly carnivors
[2/19/2015 10:33:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: not socially, but literally
[2/19/2015 10:33:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. eating vegetables would make them physically ill
[2/19/2015 10:33:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are based upon the early celts and the mongols
[2/19/2015 10:33:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially in their foods
[2/19/2015 10:33:42 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Oh, I like that.
[2/19/2015 10:33:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: which involves a lot of raw, preserves and fermented foods
[2/19/2015 10:34:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: their favored travel food
[2/19/2015 10:34:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a type of thickened fermented custard
[2/19/2015 10:34:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are a very tough race
[2/19/2015 10:34:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: and literally view helping people less fortunate than you as a type of cruelty
[2/19/2015 10:35:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: just because the place they live is so incredibly inhospitable
[2/19/2015 10:35:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: that such action usually just results in someone who isn’t able to survive and dies a very slow and painful death
[2/19/2015 10:35:36 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): That’s incredible.
[2/19/2015 10:35:40 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like that.
[2/19/2015 10:35:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: their genders are equala
[2/19/2015 10:36:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: and women fall into two classes as only about 10% of females are fertile
[2/19/2015 10:36:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: infertile females are treated exactly like men
[2/19/2015 10:36:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: and are afforded all the same rights, privaleges (and responsibilities) of men, with the exception of having wives
[2/19/2015 10:37:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: fertile women are treated as a willing type of currency
[2/19/2015 10:37:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: and are the true rulers of the tribe in everything but name
[2/19/2015 10:37:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: bascially fertile women are exchanged in the same way that we would exchange a shitton of money
[2/19/2015 10:38:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: anything that isn’t worth a fertile female is bartered for either in goods or services
[2/19/2015 10:38:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: the more wives a man has
[2/19/2015 10:38:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: the more power he has
[2/19/2015 10:38:39 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I like that, too.
[2/19/2015 10:38:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s a tenuous structure that relies upon the women being willing currency
[2/19/2015 10:38:48 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I need to work on my worldbuilding I just don’t even know where to start.
[2/19/2015 10:38:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: so the fertile females, in practice, hold all the power
[2/19/2015 10:39:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: there is a saying in the Islay culture
[2/19/2015 10:39:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: when you want something done
[2/19/2015 10:39:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: you don’t go to the chief
[2/19/2015 10:39:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: you go to his wife
[2/19/2015 10:39:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: 'his wife’ in this instance
[2/19/2015 10:39:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: being the alpha female of the group
[2/19/2015 10:39:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: as married fertile females develop their own hierarchies
[2/19/2015 10:39:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is usually the oldest that is given authority
[2/19/2015 10:40:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: but sometimes a younger female will prove herself enough of a badass to be given deference
[2/19/2015 10:40:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are also women from other races
[2/19/2015 10:40:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: as the Islay have a very special physiology
[2/19/2015 10:40:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: that allows males and females to mate with any hunuis, avais or vachnoi
[2/19/2015 10:41:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: and it will always produce an islayn child (albeit with some blood of the non-islay parent)
[2/19/2015 10:41:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: so there are non-islayn females that are brought into tribes
[2/19/2015 10:42:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: usually by the islay buying slaves (or killing the slave masters and taking them)
[2/19/2015 10:43:22 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Cool
[2/19/2015 10:44:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: male slaves are offered freedom in return for becoming 'bylmasuv’
[2/19/2015 10:44:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: or, essentially, servants of a sort
[2/19/2015 10:44:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: that are basically lower class 'islay’
[2/19/2015 10:44:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: who are treated as part of the tribe, but aren’t given as many rights and privelages as a true islay, and are not allowed to take wives
[2/19/2015 10:45:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: female slaves are offered freedom in return for either becoming female servants (bylmasvë)
[2/19/2015 10:45:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: or wives
[2/19/2015 10:46:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: given the harsh climate, and the fact that most wives are treated like queens
[2/19/2015 10:46:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: most women choose to become wives
[2/19/2015 10:46:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are rarely, however, given the same status in the tribe, authority wise, as islayn fertile females
[2/19/2015 10:46:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it has been known to happen
[2/19/2015 10:48:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It sounds like you’ve done quite a lot of thinking.
[2/19/2015 10:48:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh, more than thinking
[2/19/2015 10:48:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have almost a thousand pages written up
[2/19/2015 10:48:23 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): The only really major things that I know about my world are that:
[2/19/2015 10:49:16 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): 1. There is literally some kind of astral plain that magic originates form that exists on an astral plane shifted dimension inhabited by freakishly powerful beings that I roughly based on “Faeries”. Roughly.
[2/19/2015 10:50:06 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): 2. The general level of technology is that of the mid to late 18th century, save for weapons, which are stuck in the 13th century because gunpowder isn’t really a thing that exists or has been discovered.
[2/19/2015 10:51:04 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I have races, and several plots, but that’s about it.
[2/19/2015 10:51:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I used to know more, but most of it is useless now.
[2/19/2015 10:51:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: the nex trace of mine
[2/19/2015 10:51:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: is the Kaarhun
[2/19/2015 10:51:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: their simple explanation is “Viking bears.”
[2/19/2015 10:52:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are massive furred creatures that look similar to anthropomorphic bears
[2/19/2015 10:52:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: they have a very oceanic culture
[2/19/2015 10:52:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: and have the fastest ships in the world without exception
[2/19/2015 10:52:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: they are omnivores and their diet comes mostly from the sea
[2/19/2015 10:52:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: they live on the coasts of Vrajun
[2/19/2015 10:53:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: while the Islay live inland in the wastelands
[2/19/2015 10:53:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: the coasts of vrajun are similar in climate to Norway, Sweden, or Canada
[2/19/2015 10:53:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas the inland and northern wastelands
[2/19/2015 10:53:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: are similar to greenland and the arctic
[2/19/2015 10:54:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: the kaarhun are fiercely shamanistic
[2/19/2015 10:54:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: they build their armor, weapons and structures out of the bones, teeth and skin of sea creatures
[2/19/2015 10:56:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): Neat.
[2/19/2015 11:14:12 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I want to make Dragon Age better.
[2/19/2015 11:14:18 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): I hate my brain sometimes.
[2/19/2015 11:14:23 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): It’s like IMPROVE ON ALL THE THINGS
[2/19/2015 11:16:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/19/2015 11:16:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m the same
[2/19/2015 11:17:08 PM] Fen'Harillen (Miles): If the lore were actually incorporated into the story it would be so much better.
[2/19/2015 11:17:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/22/2015 1:47:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: http://fenxshiral.tumblr.com/post/111735086898/anethara-haren-sorry-for-being-a-bother-but
[2/22/2015 1:50:30 AM] Fen'Harel: ma serannas
[2/22/2015 1:50:34 AM] Fen'Harel: that is in fact useful
[2/22/2015 1:50:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: sathem :3
[2/24/2015 6:28:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m still trying to figure out what mala means
[2/24/2015 6:28:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: ar lasa mala revas
[2/24/2015 6:28:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: ar is i
[2/24/2015 6:29:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: lasa is to allow or to grant
[2/24/2015 6:29:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: revas is freedom
[2/24/2015 6:29:52 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: sa me
[2/24/2015 6:29:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I’m like
[2/24/2015 6:29:55 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: what is this word
[2/24/2015 6:29:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: why does it exist
[2/24/2015 6:30:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean obviously, the way it’s structured
[2/24/2015 6:30:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s another example of bioware using their own language incorrectly
[2/24/2015 6:30:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: is mala is a verb, then it’s incorrect
[2/24/2015 6:30:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: because you wouldn’t have two infinitives
[2/24/2015 6:30:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: or two imperatives
[2/24/2015 6:30:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: in one sentence
[2/24/2015 6:30:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: or one independent clause
[2/24/2015 6:30:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: it would make little sense tothe listener
[2/24/2015 6:31:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: and an imperative wouldn’t make sense with lasa
[2/24/2015 6:31:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: as imperatives would not be prefaced with a first person pronoun
[2/24/2015 6:31:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: so while it could be an imperative + an infinitive
[2/24/2015 6:31:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: that makes little sense as well
[2/24/2015 6:32:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s a noun, that also makes little sense because then it would become the object of the sentence
[2/24/2015 6:32:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: because freedom cannot be the object of the sentence
[2/24/2015 6:32:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: as that is what is being given
[2/24/2015 6:32:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: so mala, if a noun, would have to be in the dative case
[2/24/2015 6:33:09 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yeah freedom is what’s being given so it’s not the subject
[2/24/2015 6:33:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: nor the object
[2/24/2015 6:33:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: freedom is in the instrumental case
[2/24/2015 6:33:30 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yeah
[2/24/2015 6:33:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I give you a ball.”
[2/24/2015 6:33:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: ball is not the object
[2/24/2015 6:33:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: you is the object
[2/24/2015 6:33:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: ball is the instrument being given, or being used towards you
[2/24/2015 6:34:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: so what the fuck does mala mean
[2/24/2015 6:34:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: either way
[2/24/2015 6:34:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: you end up with the result that bioware is pulling another herpity derpity where their language is concerned
[2/24/2015 6:34:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: which often happens with a cipher
[2/24/2015 6:35:02 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ugh
[2/24/2015 6:35:05 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yeah it annoys me
[2/24/2015 6:35:10 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i’m elike solas what r u saying
[2/24/2015 6:35:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: and if you breka it down
[2/24/2015 6:36:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: ma, okay we have a few affixes it could be
[2/24/2015 6:36:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be you
[2/24/2015 6:36:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: it would be ahead (mah)
[2/24/2015 6:37:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be to keep or protect (ama)
[2/24/2015 6:37:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be a long amount of time (mana)
[2/24/2015 6:38:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: la also has a few possibilities from the words we have so far (and i’m only including words bioware created)
[2/24/2015 6:38:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be 'many’  / plural number
[2/24/2015 6:38:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: (ala / la)
[2/24/2015 6:38:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be place
[2/24/2015 6:39:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: (arla = ara - my / la - place/home/house/area)
[2/24/2015 6:39:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be love (lath)
[2/24/2015 6:39:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be to allow/give (lana)
[2/24/2015 6:40:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could be female person (lan)
[2/24/2015 6:40:14 PM] Helig: I give ye a shit ton of freedom with love
[2/24/2015 6:40:26 PM] Helig: Bigby don’t go into linguistic breakdown
[2/24/2015 6:40:38 PM] Helig: We need u
[2/24/2015 6:40:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that’s pretty much it
[2/24/2015 6:40:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: so for ma, we have:
[2/24/2015 6:40:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: you, ahead, protect, or time
[2/24/2015 6:41:08 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I find it fascinating
[2/24/2015 6:41:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: la we have: many, place, love, allow/give, person
[2/24/2015 6:41:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: which doesn’t give us many options that make much sense
[2/24/2015 6:42:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: you place (your place) | you many | you love | you give | you person (yourself?)
[2/24/2015 6:42:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: ahead place | ahead many | ahead love | ahead give | ahead person (none of these make sense)
[2/24/2015 6:43:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: protect many | protect place | protect love | protect give | protect person
[2/24/2015 6:43:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: time many | time place | time love | time allow/give | time person
[2/24/2015 6:45:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: now, we have, as far as I can remember
[2/24/2015 6:45:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: 3 instances in which this word is used
[2/24/2015 6:46:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: or no
[2/24/2015 6:46:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: two
[2/24/2015 6:46:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think?
[2/24/2015 6:46:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: the first is by the spirit of wisdom to solas
[2/24/2015 6:47:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: Mala suledin nadas
[2/24/2015 6:47:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: which many have translated as 'now you must endure’
[2/24/2015 6:47:41 PM] Helig: I thought it was more relevant to time tbh
[2/24/2015 6:47:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: but 'now you must endure’ doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
[2/24/2015 6:48:07 PM] Helig: So it would be I give you freedom now
[2/24/2015 6:48:11 PM] Helig: shrugs
[2/24/2015 6:48:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: as suledin nadas translates as endurance inevitable
[2/24/2015 6:48:14 PM] Helig: Elvish
[2/24/2015 6:48:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the verb 'must’ might be implied
[2/24/2015 6:49:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: now let’s say that mala means 'time place’
[2/24/2015 6:49:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. 'now’
[2/24/2015 6:50:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: which i think is the strongest contender
[2/24/2015 6:50:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: the phrase still makes little sense
[2/24/2015 6:50:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: I to give now freedom
[2/24/2015 6:50:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem here, of course
[2/24/2015 6:50:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that bioware treats the language like english
[2/24/2015 6:51:08 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: sighs yes
[2/24/2015 6:51:09 PM] Helig: I think they made little secret of that
[2/24/2015 6:51:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: well no they made no secret of it
[2/24/2015 6:51:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and gaider himself told me that’s how they were using it, and very much admitted he knew that it would probably sound silly to anybody with linguistic knowledge
[2/24/2015 6:51:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: which it does
[2/24/2015 6:51:52 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yes it does
[2/24/2015 6:52:02 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: my linguistic knowledge is limited to what I taught myself
[2/24/2015 6:52:06 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: and I’ve always thought it sounded silly
[2/24/2015 6:52:26 PM] Helig: Why exactly?
[2/24/2015 6:53:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is that in this usage, now is being used as an adverb
[2/24/2015 6:53:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the adverb now is mostly used, in english, to compliment the progressive tense (eating, giving, etv)
[2/24/2015 6:54:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: but from what i’ve seen, elvish has no progressive tense (apart from the perfect and imperfect tenses that I made up)
[2/24/2015 6:54:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: again, another fault of a cipher instead of translation
[2/24/2015 6:54:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: but progressive tense doesn’t make sense in that sitaution
[2/24/2015 6:55:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I am giving freedom”?
[2/24/2015 6:55:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: the freedom is not in progress when he does it
[2/24/2015 6:55:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: the freedom has been given
[2/24/2015 6:55:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: hence his own translation of “you are now free.”
[2/24/2015 6:56:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: i THINK
[2/24/2015 6:56:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: what they were meaning to say
[2/24/2015 6:56:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: was
[2/24/2015 6:56:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I now grant you freedom.”
[2/24/2015 6:56:45 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Yeah
[2/24/2015 6:56:47 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: That’s
[2/24/2015 6:56:51 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: kind of how I always translated
[2/24/2015 6:56:55 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: even though it makes literally zero sense
[2/24/2015 6:57:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: or “I grant you freedom now.”
[2/24/2015 6:57:10 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i’m always like solas wtf
[2/24/2015 6:57:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: which would be Ar lasan revas mala.
[2/24/2015 6:57:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: or Mala ar lasan revas.
[2/24/2015 6:57:29 PM] Helig: That’s how I translated it to Falondiiin once
[2/24/2015 6:57:35 PM] Helig: Aye
[2/24/2015 6:58:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the main problem
[2/24/2015 6:58:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: is i think some people on the writing team, when they translated elvish
[2/24/2015 6:58:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: conjugated the verbs
[2/24/2015 6:58:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: and others didn’t
[2/24/2015 6:58:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you have some verbs that are conjugated
[2/24/2015 6:58:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: and others that aren’t
[2/24/2015 6:58:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: so this is one of those cases where in order to make sense
[2/24/2015 6:59:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have to scrap what bioware wrote
[2/24/2015 6:59:21 PM] Helig: Sad but true and I say go for it
[2/24/2015 6:59:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: and correct it to Mala ar lasan revas.
[2/24/2015 6:59:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: or
[2/24/2015 6:59:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: PREFERABLY
[2/24/2015 6:59:51 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I do that all the time
[2/24/2015 7:00:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: now i broke down revas a little while back
[2/24/2015 7:00:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: re is rejection, discharge, or release
[2/24/2015 7:00:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: (rea being the verb form)
[2/24/2015 7:01:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: vas is yoke, chain, bond, bondage
[2/24/2015 7:01:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: so revas literally translates to 'break bons’
[2/24/2015 7:01:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: bonds*
[2/24/2015 7:01:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: so you would have two verb forms
[2/24/2015 7:01:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: both valid
[2/24/2015 7:01:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: but one more grammatically correct ahn the other
[2/24/2015 7:02:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: revasa would be valid, but more of a vulgar elvish
[2/24/2015 7:02:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: and vasrea would be the 'proper’ verb of 'to free’ or 'to release’
[2/24/2015 7:02:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: literally 'to shed chains’
[2/24/2015 7:03:05 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: love that
[2/24/2015 7:03:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: so if we are going to go with solas’s translation literally (you are now free)
[2/24/2015 7:03:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: we have Ane mala vasreem
[2/24/2015 7:03:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: or Ane mala revasem
[2/24/2015 7:04:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: You are now freed.
[2/24/2015 7:04:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: fyi, vasreem would be pronounced vahs-ray-ehm
[2/24/2015 7:04:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: not vahs-reem
[2/24/2015 7:06:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yes, i would correct it
[2/24/2015 7:06:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: to Mala ar lasan revas.
[2/24/2015 7:06:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: literally “at this moment I give you freedom.”
[2/24/2015 7:07:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I like
[2/24/2015 7:07:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m already lettign bioware get away with the fact that they want me to believe that one language survived intact over a period of 7000 years without changing that much
[2/24/2015 7:07:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not letting them get away with much more :p
[2/24/2015 7:08:25 PM] Helig: Looks at this
[2/24/2015 7:08:28 PM] Helig: Looks at you
[2/24/2015 7:08:35 PM] Helig: And then we have written language
[2/24/2015 7:08:44 PM] Helig: Of which we have literally
[2/24/2015 7:08:47 PM] Helig: One evidence
[2/24/2015 7:08:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: well, two if you include the scribbles in the temple of mythal :p
[2/24/2015 7:08:58 PM] Helig: Which is not very helpful
[2/24/2015 7:09:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: which are literally just scribbles of the same thing
[2/24/2015 7:09:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: not writing
[2/24/2015 7:09:29 PM] Helig: I wasn’t aware it was actual writing
[2/24/2015 7:09:32 PM] Helig: Ah there see
[2/24/2015 7:09:41 PM] Helig: Hence I am not including it
[2/24/2015 7:09:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yes, right now, we have this: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140922015709/dragonage/images/9/9b/Last_Flight_Battle_Map.png
[2/24/2015 7:10:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: which doesn’t help us at all
[2/24/2015 7:10:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: because we don’t know what it translates to
[2/24/2015 7:10:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: although from what i can see, they are trying to go a similar route to tengwar
[2/24/2015 7:10:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: where vowels are perhaps written as accents on the letters tey come after or before
[2/24/2015 7:10:38 PM] Helig: It reminded me of mix of celtic alpabet that includes lines and futunarh
[2/24/2015 7:10:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: with each word writen on a line
[2/24/2015 7:10:44 PM] Helig: Or what was the name
[2/24/2015 7:10:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: futhark
[2/24/2015 7:10:48 PM] Helig: Eh I keep forgetting
[2/24/2015 7:10:52 PM] Helig: Yes that
[2/24/2015 7:11:27 PM] Helig: And it does resemble tengwar, yes
[2/24/2015 7:11:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that was germanic, not celtic
[2/24/2015 7:11:50 PM] Helig: Give me a sec I will find the celtic one I referenced
[2/24/2015 7:11:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: celtic was ogham
[2/24/2015 7:11:54 PM] Helig: No I
[2/24/2015 7:11:58 PM] Helig: Just
[2/24/2015 7:11:59 PM] Helig: Yes
[2/24/2015 7:12:02 PM] Helig: Ogham
[2/24/2015 7:12:12 PM] Helig: STFU I DON’T REMEMBER NAMES
[2/24/2015 7:12:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[2/24/2015 7:12:22 PM] Helig: And I was talking about ogham
[2/24/2015 7:12:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/ogham.htm
[2/24/2015 7:12:53 PM] Helig: Although it includes different symbols for the side from which some symbols go out of
[2/24/2015 7:13:04 PM] Helig: Yes that one
[2/24/2015 7:13:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: ogham is confusing as all hell
[2/24/2015 7:13:43 PM] Helig: Had to decipher it a few times in a game I used to play on weekends
[2/24/2015 7:14:19 PM] Helig: Umm confusing why?
[2/24/2015 7:14:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: cause it’s just a bunch of lines XD
[2/24/2015 7:14:39 PM] Helig: I THINK IT’S HELLA EASY
[2/24/2015 7:14:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: well yes, it’s easy to decipher
[2/24/2015 7:14:50 PM] Helig: IT IS JUST A BUNCH OF LINES!
[2/24/2015 7:14:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: very easy in fact
[2/24/2015 7:15:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m talking about if you were going to do it as a reading language
[2/24/2015 7:15:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: just because it’s so far removed from modern alphabets
[2/24/2015 7:15:46 PM] Helig: It would be hard to do so on the go yes
[2/24/2015 7:16:02 PM] Helig: But I think it’s manageable
[2/24/2015 7:16:43 PM] Helig: With some practice, especially since it is easier in construction than some of the asian alphabets imo
[2/24/2015 7:16:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: that is true
[2/24/2015 7:17:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think because of the variances, the written ogham might be easier than a computer generated one
[2/24/2015 7:17:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: sicne each of the letters had a slightly variation
[2/24/2015 7:17:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas in the computer generated one, they don’t
[2/24/2015 7:17:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_ogham.jpg
[2/24/2015 7:17:28 PM] Helig: That is true
[2/24/2015 7:17:52 PM] Helig: ADMIT IT IT LOOKS PRETTY
[2/24/2015 7:17:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh it’s very pretty in written form
[2/24/2015 7:18:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: not so much computer generated :p
[2/24/2015 7:18:24 PM | Edited 7:19:09 PM] Helig: aye. I had to do the written ones
[2/24/2015 7:18:52 PM | Edited 7:19:24 PM] Helig: And I must bow low to the game masters cause they really put research into making their riddles
[2/24/2015 7:18:57 PM] Helig: Amazing
[2/24/2015 7:19:02 PM] Helig: BUT WHAT EVER
[2/24/2015 7:19:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/24/2015 7:19:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that picture of both the ogham and the uncial written on top of each other
[2/24/2015 7:19:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: so it was probably written as some point
[2/24/2015 7:19:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then later translted into, what was at the time, the modern irish alphabet
[2/24/2015 7:20:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yes, whoever wrote the elvish
[2/24/2015 7:20:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: looks like they are taking inspiration from the futhark, and the ogham
[2/24/2015 7:20:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: as well as maybe from tengwar
[2/24/2015 7:20:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: then again tengwar took its inspiration partly from the ogham too
[2/24/2015 7:20:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: so meh
[2/24/2015 7:20:47 PM] Helig: Same difference
[2/24/2015 7:20:51 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha ha ha ha
[2/24/2015 7:20:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/24/2015 7:21:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: again, not that it helps
[2/24/2015 7:21:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: since we have no idea what it translates too
[2/24/2015 7:21:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: to*
[2/24/2015 7:21:22 PM] Helig: You know
[2/24/2015 7:21:48 PM | Edited 7:22:10 PM] Helig: I don’t think bioware is getting into written elvish any time soon
[2/24/2015 7:22:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: haha
[2/24/2015 7:22:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: probably not
[2/24/2015 7:22:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and for all we know
[2/24/2015 7:22:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: they had no input on that picture
[2/24/2015 7:22:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could have just been commissioned for the book
[2/24/2015 7:22:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they called it a day
[2/24/2015 7:23:35 PM] Helig: As is most likely
[2/24/2015 7:23:47 PM] Helig: WHAT I MEAN IS
[2/24/2015 7:23:57 PM] Helig: We can have our own written elvish
[2/24/2015 7:24:08 PM] Helig: With blackjack and dancing elves
[2/24/2015 7:24:36 PM | Edited 7:24:48 PM] Helig: Shhhh, let the girl dream about alphabets
[2/24/2015 7:24:37 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: omfg
[2/24/2015 7:25:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[2/24/2015 7:25:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, i don’t have an intention of following that alphabet
[2/24/2015 7:25:37 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i’m just trying to flesh out arlathanian culture specifically
[2/24/2015 7:25:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem with most created alphabets in fiction
[2/24/2015 7:25:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: is they are created to look pretty
[2/24/2015 7:25:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: not to be functional
[2/24/2015 7:25:49 PM] Helig: Anyway wouldn’t their symbols be less rigid and more flowy as is their language “no hard consonants”
[2/24/2015 7:26:05 PM] Helig: Y e p
[2/24/2015 7:26:09 PM] Helig: That too
[2/24/2015 7:26:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: well, just as there was most likely a 'proper’ and 'vulgar’ dialect of elvish
[2/24/2015 7:26:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: there were most likely a few different scripts
[2/24/2015 7:26:30 PM] Helig: ah yes
[2/24/2015 7:26:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: the script used to write in the temples and manuscripts
[2/24/2015 7:26:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: the script taught to the high born
[2/24/2015 7:26:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the script used by low born
[2/24/2015 7:26:46 PM] Helig: High form, low form, now look at the Chinese
[2/24/2015 7:26:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then cursive versions of both
[2/24/2015 7:26:55 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yep
[2/24/2015 7:27:31 PM] Helig: LOL ABELAS DOING CALLIGRAPHY ON WALLS
[2/24/2015 7:27:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they would most likely be different enough that outsiders would have a hard time
[2/24/2015 7:27:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: but all would probably be taught to elves
[2/24/2015 7:28:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the differences would be obvious to anyone with the knowledge
[2/24/2015 7:28:16 PM] Helig: They had a lot of time to learn and to develop it so there goes
[2/24/2015 7:28:44 PM] Helig: Arlathan culture, hm
[2/24/2015 7:28:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Yeah.
[2/24/2015 7:28:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I’m writing… a thing.
[2/24/2015 7:28:54 PM] Helig: Just remember that they feared all gods
[2/24/2015 7:28:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: A very long thing.
[2/24/2015 7:28:59 PM] Helig: All of them
[2/24/2015 7:29:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. the difference between Привет and privet
[2/24/2015 7:29:16 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I tend to take what the Dalish say about their own culture with a grain of salt
[2/24/2015 7:29:21 PM] Helig: Translit and cirillic alph
[2/24/2015 7:29:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: same word. different alphabets
[2/24/2015 7:29:24 PM] Helig: Makes sense
[2/24/2015 7:29:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I take more out of the way Abelas acts than
[2/24/2015 7:29:30 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: you know
[2/24/2015 7:29:31 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: the Dalish
[2/24/2015 7:29:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: of coruse
[2/24/2015 7:29:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: the dalish are their own culture
[2/24/2015 7:29:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: they would have reclaimed a lot of elvish knowledge
[2/24/2015 7:30:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: and obviously they have the elvish alphabet
[2/24/2015 7:30:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: in some form or another
[2/24/2015 7:30:11 PM] Helig: take in felassan, mythal and solas in as well
[2/24/2015 7:30:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: they might not have ALL the alphabets
[2/24/2015 7:30:20 PM] Helig: Keepers do
[2/24/2015 7:30:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they would have at least one
[2/24/2015 7:30:23 PM] Helig: Mostly
[2/24/2015 7:30:28 PM] Helig: Maybe a mix
[2/24/2015 7:30:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: possibly
[2/24/2015 7:30:36 PM] Helig: And
[2/24/2015 7:30:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: they would have at least one complete one
[2/24/2015 7:30:45 PM] Helig: Probably the high form
[2/24/2015 7:30:52 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i… don’t really take much stock in solas and mythal to determine the way the people acted toward the gods because
[2/24/2015 7:30:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: uh
[2/24/2015 7:30:54 PM] Helig: I imagine it would be preserved better
[2/24/2015 7:30:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: they ARE gods
[2/24/2015 7:30:58 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: so
[2/24/2015 7:31:01 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: they’re USEFUL but not
[2/24/2015 7:31:04 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: in the way that I need
[2/24/2015 7:31:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, most likely the high form
[2/24/2015 7:31:07 PM] Helig: Not how they act gee
[2/24/2015 7:31:10 PM] Helig: What they say
[2/24/2015 7:31:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: as most manuscripts would probably be destroyed
[2/24/2015 7:31:15 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: no i think it would be the low form
[2/24/2015 7:31:25 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: the people who survived the collapse of arlathan and elvhenan were the low born elves
[2/24/2015 7:31:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes
[2/24/2015 7:31:34 PM] Helig: Um
[2/24/2015 7:31:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they were enslaved for 1000 years
[2/24/2015 7:31:35 PM] Helig: Guys
[2/24/2015 7:31:44 PM | Edited 7:32:07 PM] Helig: Who teaches a slave to write?
[2/24/2015 7:31:59 PM] Helig: It is a rarity
[2/24/2015 7:32:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: actually in ancient rome it wasn’t
[2/24/2015 7:32:15 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: no i base their slavery off of rome
[2/24/2015 7:32:25 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: they were probably heads of house holds and stuff
[2/24/2015 7:32:27 PM] Helig: Ah that would make sense
[2/24/2015 7:32:28 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: so they probably had to write
[2/24/2015 7:32:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not sure if i would based arlathan slavery off of rome
[2/24/2015 7:32:41 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: well
[2/24/2015 7:32:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i base tevinter slavery off of rome
[2/24/2015 7:32:47 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: we’ll see
[2/24/2015 7:32:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: slaves, especially those who worked in households
[2/24/2015 7:33:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: were expected to know how to cook, clean, read, write, etc
[2/24/2015 7:33:07 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yes buuuuuuuut
[2/24/2015 7:33:16 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: tevinter was probably influenced by elvhenan as in everything
[2/24/2015 7:33:19 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: when it comes to that as well
[2/24/2015 7:33:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: to an extent
[2/24/2015 7:33:36 PM] Helig: I doubt it influenced their social culture
[2/24/2015 7:33:43 PM] Helig: For that they need to mingle
[2/24/2015 7:33:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: from how they are designed and what we know so far
[2/24/2015 7:33:50 PM] Helig: Not conquer and salvage
[2/24/2015 7:33:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: it might have influenced them a TINY bit
[2/24/2015 7:33:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: but not much
[2/24/2015 7:34:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: well my theory is that they did mingle for a while
[2/24/2015 7:34:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: the humans didn’t just pop out of the ground
[2/24/2015 7:34:13 PM] Helig: In the beginning
[2/24/2015 7:34:24 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: tevinter’s beginning
[2/24/2015 7:34:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: Arlathan was around for about 7,000 years before it fell
[2/24/2015 7:34:25 PM] Helig: As the legends go
[2/24/2015 7:34:28 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: intersects with elvehnan’s end
[2/24/2015 7:34:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: who knows how long elvhenan itself was around before arlathan was built
[2/24/2015 7:34:33 PM] Helig: Not tevinter beginning
[2/24/2015 7:34:37 PM] Helig: Human beginning
[2/24/2015 7:34:38 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: and human culture
[2/24/2015 7:34:43 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: humans at least
[2/24/2015 7:34:45 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: were around 2000 years
[2/24/2015 7:34:48 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: before the imperium rose
[2/24/2015 7:34:48 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: so
[2/24/2015 7:34:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: HOWEVEr
[2/24/2015 7:34:56 PM] Helig: Tevinter formed from a few different clans and then they warred on wach other
[2/24/2015 7:34:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: with that said
[2/24/2015 7:35:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: you need to remember that society very much functions like an organism
[2/24/2015 7:35:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: it takes what it needs
[2/24/2015 7:35:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: and disregards everything that isn’t essential or useful
[2/24/2015 7:35:36 PM] Helig: SHITS OUT WHAT IT DOESN’T YOU MEAN
[2/24/2015 7:35:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: bascially
[2/24/2015 7:35:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[2/24/2015 7:36:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: now, yes, how society does this is up for debate amongst many theories, both micro and macro
[2/24/2015 7:36:23 PM] Helig: I hate word basically I can’t ever remember how to spell it
[2/24/2015 7:36:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: but at the end of the day, it is how society works
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[2/24/2015 7:36:34 PM] Helig: Boom yes
[2/24/2015 7:36:34 PM | Removed 7:37:43 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: This message has been removed.
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[2/24/2015 7:36:48 PM] Helig: Social functions gotta love them
[2/24/2015 7:36:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: and it is how all societies work
[2/24/2015 7:37:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: all cultures
[2/24/2015 7:37:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: so if we look at rome
[2/24/2015 7:37:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is the obvious (almost to the point of bioware hitting us over the head with it) inspiration for Tevinter
[2/24/2015 7:37:31 PM | Removed 7:37:51 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: This message has been removed.
[2/24/2015 7:37:33 PM] Helig: Unless you are a memeber of empathy prone quartz-based culture
[2/24/2015 7:37:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/24/2015 7:37:43 PM] Helig: Of sentient rocks
[2/24/2015 7:37:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Areeeeeee you going to go through now?
[2/24/2015 7:37:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: but anyway, so tevinter culture is based off of rome
[2/24/2015 7:38:00 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: No?
[2/24/2015 7:38:00 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Oh well.
[2/24/2015 7:38:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: its ancient form more like the golden age of rome
[2/24/2015 7:38:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: in modern, more like the byzantines
[2/24/2015 7:38:57 PM] Helig: Would that make elvhenan greece I wonder
[2/24/2015 7:39:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and if we look at the cultures that the romans assymalated in their growing empire, we can see how it absorbed useful parts of those cultures, and disregarded those aspects that weren’t useful to their expansion
[2/24/2015 7:39:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s the way i look at it, yes
[2/24/2015 7:39:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: Elvhenan basically being a mix between greece, babylon and egypt
[2/24/2015 7:39:36 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i’m not going to base it on those as much as some other people would
[2/24/2015 7:39:48 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i have ideas
[2/24/2015 7:39:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but it would take me some time to explain them
[2/24/2015 7:40:00 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: and you wouldn’t agree with me anyway
[2/24/2015 7:40:33 PM] Helig: Allow me a minute as I remember what happened to the library of Alexandria as it decayed from it’s former glory and weep
[2/24/2015 7:40:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: i might, i might not
[2/24/2015 7:40:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: we don’t talk about that, helig
[2/24/2015 7:40:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: are you trying to make me cry or something
[2/24/2015 7:40:57 PM] Helig: I AM ALREADY CRYING
[2/24/2015 7:41:11 PM] Helig: SHOULD I DO THAT ALONE
[2/24/2015 7:41:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: alright, moving on so i don’t go on a rant about how much culture we lost with the fall of ye olde great library
[2/24/2015 7:41:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: (p.s. it was a fuckton)
[2/24/2015 7:41:31 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Ha ha ha.
[2/24/2015 7:41:32 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Yeah.
[2/24/2015 7:41:34 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I know.
[2/24/2015 7:41:38 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I think about that a lot.
[2/24/2015 7:41:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: but anyway
[2/24/2015 7:41:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: if you look at how rome assymalated cultures
[2/24/2015 7:42:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: it imposed its own culture more upon cultures than it absorbed them
[2/24/2015 7:42:17 PM] Helig: IT IS NOT EVEN THE BURNING S OR THE FLOOD it was time and stagnation that killed it, alongside with corruption and politics
[2/24/2015 7:42:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: look how it took some aspects of greek culture
[2/24/2015 7:42:22 PM] Helig: AND THAT’S SAD
[2/24/2015 7:42:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: and redid it in their own vision
[2/24/2015 7:42:40 PM] Helig: Yes
[2/24/2015 7:42:54 PM] Helig: Oh poor gaelic sods
[2/24/2015 7:43:02 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: time to watch solas get bitchy about a statue
[2/24/2015 7:43:04 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i love this temple
[2/24/2015 7:43:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: you don’t need much further proof of this
[2/24/2015 7:43:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: than how heavily everything single languages west of the baltic is influenced by latin
[2/24/2015 7:43:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: every single*
[2/24/2015 7:44:10 PM] Helig: Invaders
[2/24/2015 7:44:23 PM] Helig: Who disregard previous cultures
[2/24/2015 7:44:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yes, while the tevinter would take some of elvhenan culture
[2/24/2015 7:44:39 PM] Helig: Looks like it’s something in the air over there
[2/24/2015 7:44:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: it would work like a grain combine
[2/24/2015 7:44:55 PM] Helig: stares daggers at Brittan and Co
[2/24/2015 7:45:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: taking in things that were useful to its expansion
[2/24/2015 7:45:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and spewing out everything else
[2/24/2015 7:45:19 PM] Helig: Steal what is useful
[2/24/2015 7:45:29 PM] Helig: Throw away the “useless” junk
[2/24/2015 7:45:43 PM] Helig: And enslave people
[2/24/2015 7:45:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[2/24/2015 7:45:56 PM] Helig: They are not human anyway
[2/24/2015 7:46:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: not to mention that the elvish culture is most likely something the tevinters would want ot stamp out in their slaves
[2/24/2015 7:46:04 PM] Helig: What do we care about the heathens
[2/24/2015 7:46:19 PM] Helig: Kill their pride
[2/24/2015 7:46:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, if they worked like roman slavery
[2/24/2015 7:46:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: they would want them to read and write
[2/24/2015 7:46:24 PM] Helig: Kill their knowledge
[2/24/2015 7:46:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: but read and write tevene
[2/24/2015 7:46:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: not evlish
[2/24/2015 7:46:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: elvish*
[2/24/2015 7:46:38 PM] Helig: Yes. And only those
[2/24/2015 7:46:43 PM] Helig: Who would be useful
[2/24/2015 7:46:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: in fact, i would imagine being caught speaking, writing or reading in elvish would earn you a harsh punishment
[2/24/2015 7:46:48 PM] Helig: With those skills
[2/24/2015 7:46:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to how slaves in America were punished if they weren’t speaking english
[2/24/2015 7:47:09 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: im not really interested in tevinter culture – i am, but not right now
[2/24/2015 7:47:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: well right
[2/24/2015 7:47:32 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i read the accounts of arlathan that exist in the codex in game and i wonder how accurate they are; probably not very
[2/24/2015 7:47:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but you  have to go into it if you want to have a discussion about what types of languages and writings from elvhenan survives
[2/24/2015 7:47:39 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: well yes
[2/24/2015 7:47:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: and from what we have so far
[2/24/2015 7:48:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: all elves alive, except few exceptions (like solas and abelas and perhaps some others inthe forgotten places of the world)
[2/24/2015 7:48:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: are descended from the slaves
[2/24/2015 7:48:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: so it is unlikely that the low-form of writing survived
[2/24/2015 7:48:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: and if it did
[2/24/2015 7:48:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is highly unlikely that it would survive via the route of the slaves
[2/24/2015 7:49:17 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: if it does the only ones who know it are keepers and firsts
[2/24/2015 7:49:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: right
[2/24/2015 7:49:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s similar to how when Rome invaded egypt
[2/24/2015 7:49:26 PM | Edited 7:49:42 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: because tamlen freask the fuck out about written elvish in origins
[2/24/2015 7:49:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: they basically said, “you’re all speaking latin now. Deal with it.”
[2/24/2015 7:49:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, it is most likely
[2/24/2015 7:50:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: that laguage is an oral tradition amongs the dalish
[2/24/2015 7:50:06 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yeah
[2/24/2015 7:50:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: with the keepers having the majority of the lore and writing
[2/24/2015 7:50:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is why i will be working so much on dialects once elvish is done
[2/24/2015 7:50:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: but oral cultures develop dialects quicker than written cultures
[2/24/2015 7:51:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: you just have to look at the languages in africa to get an idea of that
[2/24/2015 7:51:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: you have tribes that are almost right next to each other nowadays
[2/24/2015 7:51:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: that can’t understand a word the other speaks
[2/24/2015 7:51:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: even though a thousand years ago
[2/24/2015 7:51:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: they spoke the same exact language
[2/24/2015 7:52:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: this is why i have such a huge issue
[2/24/2015 7:52:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: with gaider saying that the dalish accent is welsh
[2/24/2015 7:52:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, gaider
[2/24/2015 7:52:33 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha
[2/24/2015 7:52:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: each tribe would have their own accent
[2/24/2015 7:52:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, many that are in the same general area would probably have similar accents
[2/24/2015 7:52:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they would still be different
[2/24/2015 7:53:25 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: should i piss solas off by drinking from the well
[2/24/2015 7:53:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: hmmmm
[2/24/2015 7:53:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: stick your dick in the well
[2/24/2015 7:53:38 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha ha ha ha
[2/24/2015 7:53:45 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i can’t rey is a girl
[2/24/2015 7:53:46 PM] Helig: You know what makes no sense?
[2/24/2015 7:53:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: put solas between your legs and stick him in the well
[2/24/2015 7:53:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: close enough
[2/24/2015 7:54:01 PM] Helig: Dalish blood thingy
[2/24/2015 7:54:07 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: HA
[2/24/2015 7:54:12 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: hm
[2/24/2015 7:54:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: poached egg
[2/24/2015 7:54:23 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I know more about ancient Egypt than I do about ancient greece
[2/24/2015 7:54:26 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but
[2/24/2015 7:54:27 PM] Helig: Gdi bigby
[2/24/2015 7:54:35 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i could work to consolidate what i do know about the two
[2/24/2015 7:54:36 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i had
[2/24/2015 7:54:38 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: for some reason
[2/24/2015 7:54:46 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: the impression that elvhenan was a collection of city states
[2/24/2015 7:54:58 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: no idea why
[2/24/2015 7:55:01 PM | Edited 8:00:26 PM] Helig: I am telling fenharel on u bigby
[2/24/2015 7:55:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have the same idea
[2/24/2015 7:55:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: given how the gods seem to have different areas throughout thedas that are 'theirs’
[2/24/2015 7:55:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: (i.e. mythal with the arbor wilds)
[2/24/2015 7:55:58 PM] Helig: God states more like
[2/24/2015 7:56:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[2/24/2015 7:56:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re what fen'harel on me, helig?
[2/24/2015 7:56:39 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: it sounds like mythal stole andruil’s magic
[2/24/2015 7:56:41 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: oh
[2/24/2015 7:56:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: huh
[2/24/2015 7:57:54 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: fascinating
[2/24/2015 8:00:35 PM] Helig: HA
[2/24/2015 8:00:44 PM] Helig: HAVE YOU SEEN FALON'DIN’S DRABBLE ABOUT THAT
[2/24/2015 8:00:45 PM] Helig: HAVE YOU
[2/24/2015 8:01:02 PM] Helig: I SHOULD TELL YOU ABOUT THEIR HEADCANONS ONE DAY SO YOU ALL WILL DIE
[2/24/2015 8:01:07 PM] Helig: IN TEARS
[2/24/2015 8:01:31 PM] Helig: you’re what fen'harel on me, helig?tell him
[2/24/2015 8:01:33 PM] Helig: told him
[2/24/2015 8:02:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I know about their headcanons.
[2/24/2015 8:03:04 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I have my own that are probably really, really different.
[2/24/2015 8:06:49 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I’m extremely negative about my own theories, etc.
[2/24/2015 8:06:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: Sorry.
[2/24/2015 8:39:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: sorry, had a talk about game i’m making
[2/24/2015 8:46:32 PM] Helig: tabletop?
[2/24/2015 8:47:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/24/2015 8:47:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: very large world
[2/24/2015 8:47:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: languages for each of the races
[2/24/2015 8:47:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: as well as our own take on tabletop rules and such
[2/24/2015 8:47:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s a dark science fantasy game
[2/24/2015 8:47:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: that will grow in the world with time, going through various ages
[2/24/2015 8:47:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: rather than edition
[2/24/2015 8:47:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: editions*
[2/24/2015 8:48:27 PM] Helig: uuuuuuuuuuuuu
[2/24/2015 8:48:36 PM] Helig: grabby hands
[2/24/2015 8:48:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^^
[2/24/2015 8:48:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s not done yet, but i’ll be sure to let yo know when it is
[2/24/2015 8:49:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: we’ve been working on it for a while
[2/24/2015 8:49:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: since 2009
[2/24/2015 8:49:08 PM] Helig: good
[2/24/2015 8:49:12 PM] Helig: i might play it
[2/24/2015 8:49:13 PM] Helig: OOOOOOH
[2/24/2015 8:49:21 PM] Helig: THIS SOUNDS REALLY BIG
[2/24/2015 8:49:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: it is
[2/24/2015 8:49:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: the basic premise
[2/24/2015 8:49:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that it takes place in a galaxy where another plane of existence has intersected
[2/24/2015 8:50:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: causing a sort of magica to bleed in
[2/24/2015 8:50:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: it uses both science fiction and fantasy conventions
[2/24/2015 8:50:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: and is darker and more “realistic” similar to Game of Thrones or The Witcher
[2/24/2015 8:50:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: than high fantasy like Lord of the Rings
[2/24/2015 8:50:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: or DnD
[2/24/2015 8:51:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: it takes place on a planet in that galaxy called Thanis
[2/24/2015 8:56:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are 7 different races on 6 continents
[2/24/2015 8:56:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: each with their own langauge and cultures
[2/24/2015 8:56:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the game will go through ages with its own storylines within the main campaigns
[2/24/2015 8:56:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: with each age lasting about 200-250 years
[2/24/2015 8:57:49 PM] Helig: oooooooh yes good i love those
[2/24/2015 8:57:54 PM] Helig: dark fantasy
[2/24/2015 8:57:58 PM] Helig: a lot of stories
[2/24/2015 9:00:12 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: hm
[2/24/2015 9:53:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: i just saw a post that said that bioware whitewashed cassandra, briala, sera, solas and fiona
[2/24/2015 9:53:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m
[2/24/2015 9:53:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: really fucking confused
[2/24/2015 9:53:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: just. what.
[2/24/2015 9:53:38 PM] Helig: They did so with briala
[2/24/2015 9:53:40 PM] Helig: A bit
[2/24/2015 9:53:56 PM] Helig: Removed her pretty freckles, those bastards
[2/24/2015 9:53:59 PM] Helig: But um
[2/24/2015 9:54:15 PM] Helig: Bullshit about the rest
[2/24/2015 9:54:23 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yeah they did whitewash briala
[2/24/2015 9:54:29 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but not solas
[2/24/2015 9:54:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: how did they white wash her?
[2/24/2015 9:54:35 PM] Helig: Or cas
[2/24/2015 9:54:36 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: cass is still a woc
[2/24/2015 9:54:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: was she described as having darker skin in the book?
[2/24/2015 9:54:54 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: SOLAS THO everyone is like
[2/24/2015 9:54:55 PM] Helig: I think so, yes.
[2/24/2015 9:54:59 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: HE HAS DARK SKINNED CONCEPT ART
[2/24/2015 9:55:04 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: SO HE WAS GOING TO BE A POC
[2/24/2015 9:55:04 PM] Helig: And she had freckles
[2/24/2015 9:55:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: …
[2/24/2015 9:55:08 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: SO THEY WHITEWASHED HIM
[2/24/2015 9:55:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/24/2015 9:55:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: people are idiots
[2/24/2015 9:55:18 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: no i’m sorry in the final produce he’s a white guy
[2/24/2015 9:55:20 PM] Helig: Concept art jesus
[2/24/2015 9:55:21 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: which means he’s white
[2/24/2015 9:55:52 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: the i am grim and fatalistic line
[2/24/2015 9:55:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: kills me
[2/24/2015 9:55:54 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: every time
[2/24/2015 9:55:59 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: fen'harel
[2/24/2015 9:56:00 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: no
[2/24/2015 9:56:01 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: fen'harel
[2/24/2015 9:56:02 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: stop
[2/24/2015 9:56:14 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: why
[2/24/2015 9:56:17 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: why are you so smooth
[2/24/2015 9:56:20 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: like your head
[2/24/2015 9:56:20 PM] Helig: stares at the sun
[2/24/2015 9:56:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: i just
[2/24/2015 9:56:31 PM] Helig: Because he has been at it for many ages
[2/24/2015 9:56:40 PM] Helig: Played the game and did his part
[2/24/2015 9:56:40 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: time 2 wait for solas to break my stupid elf loving heart
[2/24/2015 9:56:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean yes, whitewashing is bad
[2/24/2015 9:56:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: but why is so many people o tumblr that talk about it
[2/24/2015 9:56:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: pants-on-head retarded?
[2/24/2015 9:57:03 PM] Helig: Because they need an excuse to be angry
[2/24/2015 9:57:06 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yes
[2/24/2015 9:57:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: i just
[2/24/2015 9:57:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: cassandra?
[2/24/2015 9:57:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: whitewashed?
[2/24/2015 9:57:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: DO YOU KNOW WHAT WHITEWASHING IS YOU FUCKING MORON?
[2/24/2015 9:57:28 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: she’s a woman of color in canon
[2/24/2015 9:57:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: facedesk
[2/24/2015 9:57:46 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: like legit
[2/24/2015 9:57:48 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: dark skinned
[2/24/2015 9:57:53 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: that’s like saying dorian is a white guy
[2/24/2015 9:58:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: huh?
[2/24/2015 9:58:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: where does it say she’s a person of color?
[2/24/2015 9:58:53 PM] Helig: This is
[2/24/2015 9:59:01 PM] Helig: The first time I see or hear about it
[2/24/2015 9:59:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: me too
[2/24/2015 9:59:16 PM] Helig: she was sort of tanned in da2 but
[2/24/2015 9:59:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: she was white in dawn of the seeker
[2/24/2015 9:59:17 PM] Helig: Huh
[2/24/2015 9:59:18 PM] Helig: What
[2/24/2015 9:59:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: she was white in da2
[2/24/2015 9:59:22 PM] Helig: She is
[2/24/2015 9:59:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: she was white in dai
[2/24/2015 9:59:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: tan =/= person of color
[2/24/2015 9:59:42 PM] Helig: Indeed
[2/24/2015 9:59:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s like saying italians are people of color
[2/24/2015 9:59:54 PM] Helig: Or sun baked me is
[2/24/2015 10:00:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re russian
[2/24/2015 10:00:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: sun baked you is burnt :p
[2/24/2015 10:00:14 PM] Helig: Nah I am
[2/24/2015 10:00:17 PM] Helig: Crembrule
[2/24/2015 10:00:29 PM] Helig: Excuse u I tan very nicely
[2/24/2015 10:00:41 PM] Helig: We have a lot of sun
[2/24/2015 10:00:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m sure you do :3
[2/24/2015 10:00:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yeah, i’ve never seen anything
[2/24/2015 10:00:50 PM] Helig: And when it’s snow AND SUN
[2/24/2015 10:00:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: depicting Cassandra as a POC
[2/24/2015 10:01:12 PM] Helig: double ultra ray, better than any beech
[2/24/2015 10:01:14 PM] Helig: And same
[2/24/2015 10:01:39 PM] Helig: I think
[2/24/2015 10:01:46 PM] Helig: People are confusing
[2/24/2015 10:01:53 PM] Helig: Race
[2/24/2015 10:01:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: solas, again, no
[2/24/2015 10:02:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: even his concept art at BEST
[2/24/2015 10:02:02 PM] Helig: And what color your skin is
[2/24/2015 10:02:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: at BEST you can argue that he is red skinned
[2/24/2015 10:02:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: so based upon maybe a middle-eastern type skin
[2/24/2015 10:02:20 PM] Helig: True
[2/24/2015 10:02:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: or some native american tribes
[2/24/2015 10:02:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: but that’s one set of concept art
[2/24/2015 10:02:33 PM] Helig: Looked sort of native american
[2/24/2015 10:02:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: out of what?
[2/24/2015 10:02:37 PM] Helig: Mmmhm
[2/24/2015 10:02:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: hundreds of concept arts most likely?
[2/24/2015 10:02:42 PM] Helig: Probably a lot
[2/24/2015 10:02:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: concept arts change
[2/24/2015 10:03:17 PM | Edited 10:03:33 PM] Helig: When I was drafting namir I changed her 10000 times and I think she was black at some point
[2/24/2015 10:03:25 PM] Helig: Does it make me a whitewasher too
[2/24/2015 10:03:37 PM] Helig: For like
[2/24/2015 10:03:44 PM] Helig: Playing around with
[2/24/2015 10:03:49 PM] Helig: MY character?
[2/24/2015 10:03:49 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: red-skinned solas would have been nice but
[2/24/2015 10:03:50 PM] Helig: K
[2/24/2015 10:04:01 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i think he looks good as a pasty white guy
[2/24/2015 10:04:06 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: because it makes him look
[2/24/2015 10:04:08 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: generic?
[2/24/2015 10:04:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: well, i mean i’m all for inclusion
[2/24/2015 10:04:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: but
[2/24/2015 10:04:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: well
[2/24/2015 10:04:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: the biology side of my brain sighs a lot
[2/24/2015 10:04:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: with where thedas is
[2/24/2015 10:04:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: and how they’re explained it
[2/24/2015 10:04:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: there should be a different variance to it
[2/24/2015 10:04:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically if people in antiva/rivain are slightly tan
[2/24/2015 10:05:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: similar to say, spaniards and italians
[2/24/2015 10:05:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: well, you aren’t going to be getting a lot of black people originating in that part of the world
[2/24/2015 10:05:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: and with the time frame in which we are in
[2/24/2015 10:05:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: you have to ask the question
[2/24/2015 10:05:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: of how in the hell they got there
[2/24/2015 10:05:48 PM] Helig: Magic
[2/24/2015 10:05:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: menalin isn’t random
[2/24/2015 10:06:06 PM] Helig: I think you meant
[2/24/2015 10:06:10 PM] Helig: Melanin
[2/24/2015 10:06:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, thank you
[2/24/2015 10:06:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s a reason why all the black people in existence
[2/24/2015 10:06:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: can trace their ancestry back to a select few places
[2/24/2015 10:06:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: with none of them being a random place in europe
[2/24/2015 10:06:46 PM] Helig: Also there are different genetics at work
[2/24/2015 10:07:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: with how the world is in Thedas
[2/24/2015 10:07:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re looking at, i would think, the anders being similar in appearance to the middle east
[2/24/2015 10:07:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: tevinters, well as they are shown in the game for the most part (except calpernia)
[2/24/2015 10:07:36 PM] Helig: For example, they have more genes from off branches of human races
[2/24/2015 10:07:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: and so you’re looking at people of dark skin
[2/24/2015 10:07:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: originating, at least
[2/24/2015 10:07:52 PM] Helig: I will dig up some articles later
[2/24/2015 10:07:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: from north of sheeron
[2/24/2015 10:07:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: seheron*
[2/24/2015 10:08:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: and by dark skin i mean people of vivienne’s complexion
[2/24/2015 10:09:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: so maybe the natives of seheron are black
[2/24/2015 10:09:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: as that’s probably getting pretty close to the equator
[2/24/2015 10:09:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: but cultural expansion doesn’t just happen
[2/24/2015 10:09:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s not like POOF. YOU ARE IN FREE MARCHES NOW
[2/24/2015 10:10:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i men it just feels weird
[2/24/2015 10:10:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: that you have this sea of white people
[2/24/2015 10:10:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and poof
[2/24/2015 10:10:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: two black ladies
[2/24/2015 10:10:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: they aren’t plants. they don’t just pop out of the ground
[2/24/2015 10:10:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/24/2015 10:10:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: if there was a reason for those people to come to the mainland of thedas
[2/24/2015 10:11:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are going to be a lot more than just a spackling
[2/24/2015 10:11:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and there are a bunch of reasons it could have happened
[2/24/2015 10:11:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: slavery, failed conquest, refugees from war/famine/what have you
[2/24/2015 10:12:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it would have most likely been i large enough numbers
[2/24/2015 10:12:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: that you would have more POC than just one here
[2/24/2015 10:12:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: and oh one over here too
[2/24/2015 10:12:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: i dunno
[2/24/2015 10:12:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: it just felt like bioware was putting them in just to put them in
[2/24/2015 10:12:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: like “okay we have diversity now, shut up.”
[2/24/2015 10:12:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: rather than actually adding depth and real diversity to their world
[2/24/2015 10:13:42 PM] Helig: They should
[2/24/2015 10:13:45 PM] Helig: Hire u
[2/24/2015 10:14:08 PM] Helig: Also bye I sleep now
[2/24/2015 10:14:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight, love
[2/24/2015 10:15:19 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: this game
[2/24/2015 10:15:22 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: is going to fucking kill me
[2/24/2015 10:15:24 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: this scene
[2/24/2015 10:15:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/24/2015 10:15:25 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i hate it
[2/24/2015 10:15:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: oh my god
[2/24/2015 10:15:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: which scene?
[2/24/2015 10:15:29 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: OH MY GOD
[2/24/2015 10:15:33 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha ha ha ha
[2/24/2015 10:15:41 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: he breaks up with her in a fucking glade
[2/24/2015 10:15:44 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i can’t believe
[2/24/2015 10:15:56 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: solas i love you so much you useless trash
[2/24/2015 10:16:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: whats worse
[2/24/2015 10:16:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that it’s a glade in crestwood
[2/24/2015 10:16:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and it’s night
[2/24/2015 10:16:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: so they went to crestwood
[2/24/2015 10:17:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: probably spent the day together doing lovey stuff
[2/24/2015 10:17:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then, of course, according to weekes
[2/24/2015 10:17:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: solas was intending on telling her the truth
[2/24/2015 10:17:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: the whole truth
[2/24/2015 10:17:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: the entire truth
[2/24/2015 10:17:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: everything
[2/24/2015 10:17:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then he pussied out when he was kissing her
[2/24/2015 10:17:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: and decided to tell her the vallaslin thing and break up with her instead
[2/24/2015 10:17:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: yep i know
[2/24/2015 10:17:57 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: actually he pussied out before that
[2/24/2015 10:19:14 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: like
[2/24/2015 10:19:18 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: he kisses her
[2/24/2015 10:19:22 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: after he removes the vallaslin
[2/24/2015 10:19:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: so he’s just like
[2/24/2015 10:19:29 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: SHIT
[2/24/2015 10:19:31 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I CAN’T TELL HER
[2/24/2015 10:19:34 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: and then he was like
[2/24/2015 10:19:41 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i can stay i can be with her for as long as i’m able
[2/24/2015 10:19:44 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but then he realizes he can’t
[2/24/2015 10:20:08 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: which i could have told you ebfore i read the stuff weekes said
[2/24/2015 10:20:11 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: just from the look on his face
[2/24/2015 10:34:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: i didn’t play through it until after i had read the stuff weekes said
[2/24/2015 10:34:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i don’t know whether I recognized the look on his face because of my knowledge or not
[2/24/2015 10:35:39 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i did but
[2/24/2015 10:35:43 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i tried to stay away from fandom stuff
[2/24/2015 10:35:45 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: until i played the game
[2/24/2015 10:35:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: which let me tell you
[2/24/2015 10:35:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: was hard
[2/24/2015 10:35:55 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: because i was waiting over a month
[2/24/2015 10:35:56 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: to play
[2/24/2015 10:36:05 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ahhhhhhhhhhh
[2/24/2015 10:36:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh i stayed away from the fan stuff until i played
[2/24/2015 10:36:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i didn’t play a female elf untli my third playthrough
[2/24/2015 10:36:46 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha ha ha ha i was GOING To romance either blackwall or cullen
[2/24/2015 10:36:49 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but then i asked my followers
[2/24/2015 10:37:00 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: “should i keep the tradition of romancing the male elf on my first playthrough?”
[2/24/2015 10:37:11 PM] Helig: I knew who he was around the time you do his personal quest. Perhaps a bit later. And a few of his questions were dead give aways.
[2/24/2015 10:37:13 PM] Helig: Ha
[2/24/2015 10:37:14 PM] Helig: H a
[2/24/2015 10:37:21 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: ha ha ha ha
[2/24/2015 10:37:23 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: they were
[2/24/2015 10:37:23 PM] Helig: I AM ASLEEP
[2/24/2015 10:37:27 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i knew who he was
[2/24/2015 10:37:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes you are asleep, lady
[2/24/2015 10:37:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: go the fuck to bed
[2/24/2015 10:37:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: i didn’t figure it out
[2/24/2015 10:37:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i had it spoiled for me by a friend before i finished
[2/24/2015 10:37:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i was not happy
[2/24/2015 10:38:03 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i knew he was an ancient elf by all new faded for her
[2/24/2015 10:38:12 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i figured out WHO SPECIFICALLY he was
[2/24/2015 10:38:20 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: IN the temple of mythal
[2/24/2015 10:39:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re better at figuring out stuff like that than I am, then
[2/24/2015 10:39:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: i figured he was a dreamer
[2/24/2015 10:39:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: who had special insight
[2/24/2015 10:39:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: i didn’t think he was an ancient elf
[2/24/2015 10:41:40 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i knew he was a dreamer as soon as he started talking about his bullshit and i’m like hi mr. somniari
[2/24/2015 10:41:42 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: and then like
[2/24/2015 10:41:49 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: okay so i knew he was from arlathan when
[2/24/2015 10:41:54 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: in some of his personal conversations
[2/24/2015 10:42:01 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: he slips up and starts to talk about it like he’s actually there
[2/24/2015 10:42:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/24/2015 10:42:07 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: but then backtracks
[2/24/2015 10:42:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s stuff i didn’t notice until my second playthrough
[2/24/2015 10:42:21 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: so i’m like “yeah you’re old as balls”
[2/24/2015 10:42:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: weekes/gaider left a lot of easter eggs to find
[2/24/2015 10:42:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: and a lot of his conversations are about himself
[2/24/2015 10:42:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: and essentially learning about himself
[2/24/2015 10:42:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: through you
[2/24/2015 10:42:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially his conversationwith you after the well
[2/24/2015 10:42:55 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: y e a h
[2/24/2015 10:42:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: where even though he seems like he’s yelling at you
[2/24/2015 10:43:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: he’s really using you as an outlet to be angry at himself
[2/24/2015 10:43:14 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: solas does that all the time
[2/24/2015 10:43:19 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: he likes to talk about hismelf
[2/24/2015 10:43:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: like “you fucked it up. you thoguht you were doing good, and then you woke up and realized you fuck it all up”
[2/24/2015 10:43:23 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: that’s part of why he’s pissed at the wardens
[2/24/2015 10:43:42 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: honestly solas is really important to me
[2/24/2015 10:45:50 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i know i have it pretty bad for this character when i feel worse for him than i do for her even though it’s his own stupid fault he’s in this situation in the first place
[2/24/2015 10:48:18 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i’m writing a manifesto of sorts about his character
[2/24/2015 10:48:23 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: I just don’t even really know where to start
[2/24/2015 10:48:25 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: there’s so much to write about
[2/24/2015 10:49:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: heh
[2/24/2015 10:50:05 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i really don’t know where to start
[2/24/2015 10:50:09 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: i have a passion for his character but
[2/24/2015 11:12:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: just write down your thoughts
[2/24/2015 11:12:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can organize them later
[2/24/2015 11:18:16 PM] Dread Wolf Defense Squad: good idea
[2/25/2015 8:53:59 AM] Helig: k so righxthand said that baba in russian means father
[2/25/2015 8:54:23 AM] Helig: no it actually means a woman of coniderable…um
[2/25/2015 8:54:25 AM] Helig: character
[2/25/2015 8:54:43 AM | Edited 8:55:31 AM] Helig: like there is a lady and then there is a woman who can punch you off a horse
[2/25/2015 8:55:09 AM] Helig: also sometimes used as to refer to your grandmother in a familial short way
[2/25/2015 8:58:11 AM] Helig: father in russian are as follow: papa (french origin, common use), otets (respectful use), bat'ya (older, common use)
[2/25/2015 8:59:00 AM] Helig: jfyi
[2/25/2015 9:43:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: when did she say that?
[2/25/2015 9:43:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and yeah, i know baba mean something along the lines of woman
[2/25/2015 9:44:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: also i just saw you wrote that at 8am
[2/25/2015 9:44:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: ok
[2/26/2015 1:36:06 AM] *** Puppy Bigby added Bunan Tsokolatte ***
[2/26/2015 1:36:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: and now we have someone who actually has a degree in linguistics
[2/26/2015 1:37:17 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): woo
[2/26/2015 1:37:26 AM] Helig: GOOD
[2/26/2015 1:37:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: heh, applied linguistics. it’s a little different but hopefully i can still help :P
[2/26/2015 1:37:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: and Alistair is still the dumbest one in the party.
[2/26/2015 1:38:09 AM] Helig: rude
[2/26/2015 1:38:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: it has linguistics in the title
[2/26/2015 1:38:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: close enough
[2/26/2015 1:38:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol
[2/26/2015 1:53:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: she’s already done some awesome work on Elvish, and has done a phoneme chart as well you guys can find here http://bunan-tsokolatte.tumblr.com/post/111200892530/this-is-apparently-what-i-do-in-my-spare-time
[2/26/2015 1:53:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: it won’t be the final phoneme chart, as i’m adding a few new phonemes to the conlang
[2/26/2015 1:53:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: but still awesome work if I say so
[2/26/2015 1:53:53 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that reminds me I need to make my own phoneme chart for my Elvish
[2/26/2015 1:53:55 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and yeah this is nice
[2/26/2015 1:54:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: as of now, the two phonemes that need to be added, are ð  and j
[2/26/2015 1:56:50 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: thanks! i’ve been making phonetic transcriptions of elvish words as of late too, in case they’re needed. it’s all in slashes/broad transcription just 'cause i’m sure they’ll change, especially as the conlang’s developed, and because i’m usually dead tired and have utterances echoing in my head as i do them
[2/26/2015 1:57:12 AM] Helig: are you an angel of the lord
[2/26/2015 1:57:21 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: would rather have them be broad transcriptions until i can get more opinions
[2/26/2015 1:57:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: LOL
[2/26/2015 1:58:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: btw, this is helig
[2/26/2015 1:59:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: our resident красивая баба
[2/26/2015 1:59:51 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha nice to meet you :P
[2/26/2015 1:59:54 AM] Helig: i am starting to feel offended already
[2/26/2015 2:00:00 AM] Helig: and hello, nice to meet you too
[2/26/2015 2:00:27 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I’m off to bed. You crazy kids have fun.
[2/26/2015 2:00:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: people call me bunan on tumblr because of my username, but i answer to 'tina’ as well :P
[2/26/2015 2:00:48 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: haha good night!
[2/26/2015 2:00:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: not gonna lie
[2/26/2015 2:01:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: i just translated 'beautiful woman’ in google translate
[2/26/2015 2:01:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: so for all i know
[2/26/2015 2:01:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: i just called helig a crazy potato
[2/26/2015 2:01:22 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I’m Miles, as for the introductions. I contribute… tears.
[2/26/2015 2:01:43 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: awwwwww. i’ll contribute some with you, don’t worry lol
[2/26/2015 3:06:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: i need to go through the games and comb for elvish i haven’t found yet that isn’t on the wiki or my other resources
[2/26/2015 3:06:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: cause i know it’s there
[2/26/2015 3:06:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: various tidbits and words and such
[2/26/2015 3:06:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: not looking forward to that drudgery ._.
[2/26/2015 3:06:57 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah, i’ll be there with you doing it too :/
[2/26/2015 3:07:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: just remember to share
[2/26/2015 3:07:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: sure! i’m planning putting it in a list
[2/26/2015 3:07:42 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i can do it by day as i go along instead of waiting until i think i’ve found everything like i usually do
[2/26/2015 3:07:56 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: so we all know what’s been found already and what other things we can look for
[2/26/2015 3:08:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/26/2015 3:08:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: i know there’s a bunch here and there in inquisition
[2/26/2015 3:08:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: a lot of which hasn’t been put on the wiki yet
[2/26/2015 3:09:37 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: definitely. and there’s codexes and songs we might want to consider. the elvish transcription for the “codex entry: on skyhold” page earlier, for example
[2/26/2015 3:09:54 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: the only one i added today (didn’t do too much with elvish today) from inquisition was 'venavis’
[2/26/2015 3:10:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: well one thing we need to keep in mind with the codex translations, and this was told me by gaider himself
[2/26/2015 3:10:03 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: which abelas first says to you
[2/26/2015 3:10:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: is a lot of the translations, especially where the songs are concerned, were not written by the writing team
[2/26/2015 3:10:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: for example, I am the one was written from the seat of their pants
[2/26/2015 3:10:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: and the translation was not written by them
[2/26/2015 3:10:57 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhhh okay
[2/26/2015 3:11:00 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: good to know
[2/26/2015 3:11:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: hence why I am the one shares almost zero vocabulary with the rest of Elvhen
[2/26/2015 3:11:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: and why the translation makes no sense
[2/26/2015 3:12:02 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha no wonder i was staring incredulously at it for so long
[2/26/2015 3:12:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ll be taking some of the words from it for the conlang (for example, i took 'to be’ from it, as dara doesn’t make sense as 'to be’
[2/26/2015 3:12:54 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: http://apocoleypse.tumblr.com/post/112076488775/pithyrhyme-so-in-my-second-playthrough-of-da-i-i
[2/26/2015 3:12:57 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: whoops mistell
[2/26/2015 3:13:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: sounds like a good idea!
[2/26/2015 3:13:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve also settled on the idea of elvish not having any articles
[2/26/2015 3:13:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: even though i was against that idea at first
[2/26/2015 3:14:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah, that was something i was planning on investigating for myself
[2/26/2015 3:14:56 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: from first glance, it doesn’t seem like they have many, if they have any at all, anyway
[2/26/2015 3:15:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: as far as I can tell
[2/26/2015 3:15:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: they have none
[2/26/2015 3:15:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i don’t think they do either
[2/26/2015 3:15:31 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: seems too similar to japanese/korean to me where the articles are more implied or part of the nouns
[2/26/2015 3:15:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/26/2015 3:15:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: or latin
[2/26/2015 3:15:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: that too
[2/26/2015 3:16:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: but going into detail with that
[2/26/2015 3:16:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: would eventually require me to throw out a lot of work bioware did
[2/26/2015 3:16:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: and that’s not something i’m willing to do
[2/26/2015 3:16:24 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmmm of course
[2/26/2015 3:16:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: hence why I’m shooting for what I’m calling a simulated conlang
[2/26/2015 3:16:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: rather tahn a full conlang
[2/26/2015 3:16:44 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhh mmkay
[2/26/2015 3:16:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: basically it will essentially be a real conlang
[2/26/2015 3:17:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: just without the same amount of depth as, say, Dothraki
[2/26/2015 3:17:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmmmm okay
[2/26/2015 3:17:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: whereas Alamarri will be a true conlang
[2/26/2015 3:17:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: because Bioware has done very, very little work on Alamarri, chasind and avvar words
[2/26/2015 3:17:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: so I’m able to work from the ground up
[2/26/2015 3:18:49 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i think that’s great. i remember seeing your post about that. and it’s true, i honestly can’t recall an instance where i heard any of their words. names maybe, but not quite words. (then again, my memory with details is always off)
[2/26/2015 3:19:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: Ander will also be a true conlang as well
[2/26/2015 3:19:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: although i am unsure if i will do ander
[2/26/2015 3:19:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: or if will just say, “It’s German”
[2/26/2015 3:20:06 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: haha yeah, that’s the impression i was under
[2/26/2015 3:20:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is enough will probably be different on Bioware’s end
[2/26/2015 3:20:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: that i’ll want to do a conlang
[2/26/2015 3:20:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: kind of with Tevene
[2/26/2015 3:20:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: where they use latin incorrectly enough
[2/26/2015 3:20:33 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/26/2015 3:20:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: that i’m either going to create a conlang
[2/26/2015 3:20:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: or drive to edmonton and hit gaider in the face with a 'Don’t’ sign
[2/26/2015 3:21:06 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ha! i like both options
[2/26/2015 3:21:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: Dorian: “Amatus”
[2/26/2015 3:21:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: Mark; eye twitch
[2/26/2015 3:21:24 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha
[2/26/2015 3:22:33 AM] Helig: Is that that kirkwall sig
[2/26/2015 3:22:36 AM] Helig: Sign
[2/26/2015 3:22:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: yes
[2/26/2015 3:22:45 AM] Helig: Good
[2/26/2015 3:26:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: Dorian: Hello Amatus
[2/26/2015 3:26:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: Mark: eye twitch Hello Dorianed
[2/26/2015 3:28:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: Dorian: “I’m an altus.”
[2/26/2015 3:28:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: Mark: …. Flips a table
[2/26/2015 3:28:26 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha
[2/26/2015 3:30:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s not like there are latin resources everywhere
[2/26/2015 3:30:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: oh wait, yes there are
[2/26/2015 3:31:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: of course i’d be just as annoyed if they had used altum
[2/26/2015 3:31:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: No, dorian, you are not the sea
[2/26/2015 3:31:21 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha yeah. drives me up the wall when that kind of research isn’t put into it
[2/26/2015 3:31:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: Dorian: “I’m an altus”
[2/26/2015 3:31:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: you’re a high?
[2/26/2015 3:31:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: well good for you
[2/26/2015 3:32:21 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha
[2/26/2015 3:32:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: now to be fair
[2/26/2015 3:32:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: without researching it
[2/26/2015 3:32:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s easy to assume
[2/26/2015 3:32:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: oh, -us = nominative noun
[2/26/2015 3:33:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: magnus, procus, gladius, pileus, Brutus, equus
[2/26/2015 3:33:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: etc
[2/26/2015 3:33:54 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/26/2015 3:34:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: so i can excuse the mistake, for the most part
[2/26/2015 3:34:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: but type altus into google
[2/26/2015 3:34:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: and one of the first results is going to be wiktionary telling you that it’s a participle
[2/26/2015 3:34:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/26/2015 3:34:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: or sorry, adjective, rather
[2/26/2015 3:34:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: amatus is a pariticple
[2/26/2015 3:35:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: -us is, i believe, always nominative
[2/26/2015 3:35:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: it is not, however, always a noun
[2/26/2015 3:35:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t know latin well enough to say for certain
[2/26/2015 3:35:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: most of my latin knowledge comes from picking up a book and researching the exact answer to my question
[2/26/2015 3:35:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: or wiktionary
[2/26/2015 3:35:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: because wiktionary is awesome
[2/26/2015 3:36:24 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: haha yeah, you probably know more than i do. the closest i’ve gotten to latin is french and italian -____-’ would love to actually study it
[2/26/2015 3:36:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s interesting
[2/26/2015 3:36:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: but the problem with latin
[2/26/2015 3:36:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: is that most of what is preserved
[2/26/2015 3:36:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: is high latin
[2/26/2015 3:36:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: not vulgar latin
[2/26/2015 3:37:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: so it doesn’t sound very natural when spoken
[2/26/2015 3:37:20 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/26/2015 3:37:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: so it’s very formulaic
[2/26/2015 3:37:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: and structured
[2/26/2015 3:37:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: as far as i’ve read, a lot of that structure was added by the catholic church during the medieval periods
[2/26/2015 3:38:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: so we don’t really know what the vernacular really was
[2/26/2015 3:38:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: still interesting though
[2/26/2015 3:40:43 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: definitely. i’ve always wanted to study it. always envied friends who had the opportunity to take classes. the improper use of it in “dragon age” is definitely spurring at me to start learning lol
[2/26/2015 3:41:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/26/2015 3:41:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: alright i need to start heading to bed guys
[2/26/2015 3:43:13 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: alright good night!
[2/26/2015 3:43:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight :3
[2/26/2015 3:44:10 AM] Helig: Goodnight you lot
[2/26/2015 3:37:39 PM] Helig: bigby
[2/26/2015 3:37:55 PM] Helig: felandaris means demon weed how?
[2/26/2015 8:55:18 PM] Helig: We need lawa for society with dreamers
[2/26/2015 8:55:23 PM] Helig: Where everyone is a mage
[2/26/2015 8:55:32 PM] Helig: Pfhfhfhfh
[2/26/2015 8:55:37 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): ugh
[2/26/2015 8:55:54 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I HATE THE SOLAS TAG
[2/26/2015 8:55:55 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I love Solas
[2/26/2015 8:55:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but I hate being a Solas fan
[2/26/2015 8:56:03 PM] Helig: CACKLES
[2/26/2015 8:56:07 PM] Helig: Eggsuffering
[2/26/2015 8:56:12 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I’m paranoid like I’m constantly ebing judged
[2/26/2015 8:56:17 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): literally all his tag is is either
[2/26/2015 8:56:31 PM] Helig: Egg jokes or holy wars
[2/26/2015 8:56:35 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I HATE HIM HE’S ABUSIVE (spoilers he’s not) HOW DARE HE HURT MY LAVELLAN HOW DARE HERE HAVE MY MANIFESTO ABOUT WHY HE’S USESLESS
[2/26/2015 8:56:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): or
[2/26/2015 8:56:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): UGH THEY WHITEWASHED HIM HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BISEXUAL MAN OF COLOR OR ASEXUAL WHY IS HE PASTY WHITE HE’S SO UGLY
[2/26/2015 8:56:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): fuck
[2/26/2015 8:57:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): you
[2/26/2015 8:57:08 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah i’m over searching character tags
[2/26/2015 8:57:21 PM] Helig: I filter them and I am haooy
[2/26/2015 8:57:24 PM] Helig: Happy
[2/26/2015 8:57:30 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I have ptsd and my tiggers are related to certain kinds of language
[2/26/2015 8:57:31 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i can only shake my head at the sheer amount of _____ critical in general without even looking at the content of the posts and whether i agree or not
[2/26/2015 8:57:35 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i can’t even see the good stuff in his tag
[2/26/2015 8:57:35 PM] Helig: Oh
[2/26/2015 8:57:38 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): becuas eall his other stuff
[2/26/2015 8:57:39 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): triggers me
[2/26/2015 8:57:41 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: man :/
[2/26/2015 8:57:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it doesn’t matter whether i agree or not at this point
[2/26/2015 8:58:08 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i can’t even do anything in this fandom because of my ptsd
[2/26/2015 8:58:09 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and it sucks
[2/26/2015 8:59:56 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah i bet :/ my bf has ptsd and can’t go into dorian’s tag too often for similar reasons
[2/26/2015 9:00:32 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Solas is REALLY IMPORTANT to me
[2/26/2015 9:00:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): for reasons i can’t even fully express
[2/26/2015 9:01:15 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but the fandom makes me feel like I need PERSMISSION to like him
[2/26/2015 9:01:24 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): like i have to acknowledge he’s a bad person yet
[2/26/2015 9:01:27 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): well I have news for them
[2/26/2015 9:01:29 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s not and i won’t
[2/26/2015 9:02:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): solas has issues but so does everyone
[2/26/2015 9:02:12 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s not like he’s the only character with a prejudice in game either
[2/26/2015 9:02:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): sera, varric, dorian
[2/26/2015 9:02:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): all of them have prejudices
[2/26/2015 9:02:23 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): so whatever
[2/26/2015 9:02:30 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): so sick of the double standard when it comes to solas
[2/26/2015 9:02:31 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): so sick
[2/26/2015 9:04:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: ugh
[2/26/2015 9:04:58 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: exactly. i understand where you’re coming from. i feel the same with iron bull critical and adoribull critical. just over it
[2/26/2015 9:04:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: this whole white washing thing confuses the hell out of me too
[2/26/2015 9:05:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m convinced the fandom is just searching for shit to be offended by now
[2/26/2015 9:05:21 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: same
[2/26/2015 9:05:22 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I happen to have a lot in common with Solas, personally.
[2/26/2015 9:05:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean you can’t white wash a charcater you created before you created them
[2/26/2015 9:05:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: just because ONE PIECE of concept art shows a darker skinned solas
[2/26/2015 9:05:52 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POC
[2/26/2015 9:05:56 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that’s what they’d say
[2/26/2015 9:06:03 PM] Helig: So gh
[2/26/2015 9:06:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve seen. and they’re stupid
[2/26/2015 9:06:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): WHY DID THEY MAKE HIM WHITE THERE ARE TOO MANY WHITE CHARACTERS
[2/26/2015 9:06:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: as usually
[2/26/2015 9:06:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: usual*
[2/26/2015 9:06:12 PM] Helig: Its a gàaaaaaaame
[2/26/2015 9:06:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but if he were dark skinned they’d just be complaining about how EVERYONE MAKES BAD GUYS BLACK HOW DARE THEY
[2/26/2015 9:06:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s another argument that’s idiotic most of the time
[2/26/2015 9:06:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, representation is good
[2/26/2015 9:06:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: but let’s use logic here, people
[2/26/2015 9:07:21 PM] Helig: slams ppl with avatar korra book 4: balance
[2/26/2015 9:07:46 PM] Helig: Ppl need to chill
[2/26/2015 9:07:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: and yes, playing with the rules of sociological development and biological development in order to ensure representation is permissable, for the most part
[2/26/2015 9:07:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: but when you start running around
[2/26/2015 9:08:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: screaming that 'there are too many white charcaters’
[2/26/2015 9:08:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: 'this character was slightly darker in the last game’
[2/26/2015 9:08:19 PM] Helig: It’ s a signal that ppl need to chil
[2/26/2015 9:08:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: 'this character had concept art where he has slightly darker skin’
[2/26/2015 9:08:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes
[2/26/2015 9:08:25 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): sighs
[2/26/2015 9:08:27 PM] Helig: Can I just go around for you
[2/26/2015 9:08:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: i literally hadn’t heard of this white washing stuff until last night
[2/26/2015 9:08:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m still flabbergasted
[2/26/2015 9:08:37 PM] Helig: And send people like that messages
[2/26/2015 9:08:37 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): solas is interesting because of his personality
[2/26/2015 9:08:44 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i love him so much but really
[2/26/2015 9:08:47 PM] Helig: 'U need t chill’
[2/26/2015 9:08:48 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): really sick of the bullshit surrounding him
[2/26/2015 9:08:56 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I got triggered by a GIFSET today okay
[2/26/2015 9:08:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): a GIFSET
[2/26/2015 9:09:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that shoduln’t happen
[2/26/2015 9:09:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is that only part of this is tumblr
[2/26/2015 9:09:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: there is a sect of the bioware fandom
[2/26/2015 9:09:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: that has always been very vitriolic
[2/26/2015 9:09:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: even since the BG days
[2/26/2015 9:09:41 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): siiiiiiiiiighs
[2/26/2015 9:09:55 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): god sometimes i wish i were neruotypical i’d be taking everyone on
[2/26/2015 9:10:00 PM] Helig: Define vitriolic for a russian woman who is lazy to google from phone
[2/26/2015 9:10:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yeah, part of it is tumblr idiots being tumblr idiots
[2/26/2015 9:10:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: caustic
[2/26/2015 9:10:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: scathing
[2/26/2015 9:10:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: acidic
[2/26/2015 9:11:06 PM] Helig: Aha
[2/26/2015 9:11:21 PM] Helig: Thank you.
[2/26/2015 9:11:34 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Whatever. I’m just going to hang out with the Solavellan people.
[2/26/2015 9:11:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yeah, part of it is tumblr idiots being tumblr idiots
[2/26/2015 9:11:48 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Over all they may not really like SOLAS as much as the ROMANCE but at least they aren’t triggering me.
[2/26/2015 9:11:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: part of it is also that section of the fandom
[2/26/2015 9:11:50 PM] Helig: It’s idiots being idiots globally
[2/26/2015 9:11:55 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah i’m over it. it would’ve been cool to have more representation, and i’m all for more PoC in video games, esp. as a PoC. but for me, what’s done is done. i can just hope that there’s more of them in future games
[2/26/2015 9:11:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: just being, well… THAT section of the fandom
[2/26/2015 9:12:02 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i just want to enjoy the game and its story
[2/26/2015 9:12:22 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): And I would like more representation for trans characters as a transman.
[2/26/2015 9:12:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/26/2015 9:12:27 PM] Helig: I want
[2/26/2015 9:12:30 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mm
[2/26/2015 9:12:34 PM] Helig: DWARF REPRESENTAION
[2/26/2015 9:12:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean more representation is wonderful
[2/26/2015 9:12:40 PM] Helig: And one token human
[2/26/2015 9:12:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think they handle krem very well
[2/26/2015 9:12:42 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but that’s not going to prevent me from relating to other people
[2/26/2015 9:12:49 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i think they handle orem well too
[2/26/2015 9:12:53 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: *krem
[2/26/2015 9:12:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: even though some fans flipped their shit because you coul say things to him that were transphobic
[2/26/2015 9:12:57 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and yeah, exactly
[2/26/2015 9:13:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): as a transman
[2/26/2015 9:13:01 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yes
[2/26/2015 9:13:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): they do handle krem well
[2/26/2015 9:13:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i think being able to say transphobic things to him is important, because that is how many people are going to view it
[2/26/2015 9:13:25 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): same
[2/26/2015 9:13:29 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mm
[2/26/2015 9:13:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: also notice how the times where you are able to say something to him that would be transphobic
[2/26/2015 9:13:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: he either politely corrects you
[2/26/2015 9:13:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: or bull slaps you down
[2/26/2015 9:13:46 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/26/2015 9:13:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: you aren’t applauded for it
[2/26/2015 9:13:47 PM] Helig: Hehehehe
[2/26/2015 9:13:51 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): my friend made a timeline of the entire game god bless her
[2/26/2015 9:14:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): well
[2/26/2015 9:14:17 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): like
[2/26/2015 9:14:22 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): all of the history of thedas
[2/26/2015 9:14:28 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yessssss
[2/26/2015 9:14:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example, “He being a she isn’t a problem?”
[2/26/2015 9:15:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: and bull slaps the inquisitor down, essentially saying, “he ’s a man, the end.”
[2/26/2015 9:15:06 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yep
[2/26/2015 9:15:09 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/26/2015 9:15:29 PM] Helig: You know
[2/26/2015 9:15:42 PM] Helig: If you stand in a shoes of a person
[2/26/2015 9:15:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: also one user stated that krem misgendered himself (where?) and that he made transphobic remarks, which included joking about binding
[2/26/2015 9:15:59 PM] Helig: Who never ever heard about trans people
[2/26/2015 9:16:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: and while i can’t say that I know every single transman in existence
[2/26/2015 9:16:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: the ones thta i am friends with
[2/26/2015 9:16:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: joke about binding
[2/26/2015 9:16:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: all
[2/26/2015 9:16:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: the fucking
[2/26/2015 9:16:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: time
[2/26/2015 9:16:20 PM] Helig: Pffffft
[2/26/2015 9:16:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: hell, my friend Aiden once put his binder on his head and demanded we call him Binder Jesus and pay him tribute in cookies
[2/26/2015 9:17:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: so sure, while some transmen might find it a touchy subject
[2/26/2015 9:17:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: projecting that on all transman
[2/26/2015 9:17:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: transmen*
[2/26/2015 9:17:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: is, in my view, just as transphobic
[2/26/2015 9:17:20 PM] Helig: Preach
[2/26/2015 9:17:26 PM] Helig: Also imma sleep so bumye
[2/26/2015 9:17:29 PM] Helig: …
[2/26/2015 9:17:31 PM] Helig: Bye*
[2/26/2015 9:17:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight, love
[2/26/2015 9:17:34 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol bye
[2/26/2015 9:18:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i was like
[2/26/2015 9:18:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i laughed so hard
[2/26/2015 9:18:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): at the sock thing
[2/26/2015 9:18:27 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and there are transmen up in arms like WHY WOUDLN’T HE WANT TO HAVE A PENIS and i’m like i don’t and i’m still trans
[2/26/2015 9:18:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, there are all stripes
[2/26/2015 9:18:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s never going to change my knowledge that i was born with a vagina and i’ll always have that dysphoria
[2/26/2015 9:19:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): best i learn to live with the body i have
[2/26/2015 9:19:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: some transmen prefer having a vagina
[2/26/2015 9:19:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: some transmen don’t, but accept it as part of who they are
[2/26/2015 9:19:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: some transmen don’t want to have the surgery, but prefer to pretend it’s not there during intercourse, i.e. using strapons, etc etc etc etc
[2/26/2015 9:19:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: just like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING
[2/26/2015 9:20:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: they fall into categories of what they prefer
[2/26/2015 9:20:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: what they’re comfortable with
[2/26/2015 9:20:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: how they look at it
[2/26/2015 9:20:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i have yet to meet a transman (agai, i don’t know them all, obviously) that was in some sort of headvice thta made it impossible for them to know
[2/26/2015 9:20:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: that they were born as a biological female
[2/26/2015 9:21:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is why i think that conversation with krem about whether he would change 100% if he could
[2/26/2015 9:21:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: is so important
[2/26/2015 9:21:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: Krem likes himself the way he is
[2/26/2015 9:21:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: he’s made peace with who he is
[2/26/2015 9:21:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: and that’s good enough for him
[2/26/2015 9:21:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): same
[2/26/2015 9:21:39 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s
[2/26/2015 9:21:42 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s important to hear that
[2/26/2015 9:22:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and if we’re going to talk about gender fluidity (Or gender theory as the special people with the special pens like to call it)
[2/26/2015 9:22:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: then wouldn’t stating that a transman SHOULD want to go the full course
[2/26/2015 9:22:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: reinforce the idea that there are only two genders
[2/26/2015 9:22:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: and a transman is just playing dress up?
[2/26/2015 9:23:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: again, i am not a transman, so i can’t speak for them
[2/26/2015 9:23:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: but if I were
[2/26/2015 9:23:17 PM] Helig: Don’t say transman and see a label
[2/26/2015 9:23:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: i would find the idea that I SHOULD want to go the full way
[2/26/2015 9:23:24 PM] Helig: Say a person who is also trans
[2/26/2015 9:23:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: as offensive, and suggestive that I wasn’t a real man until I made it surgerically official
[2/26/2015 9:24:02 PM] Helig: Indeed
[2/26/2015 9:24:03 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): oh my god yeah i do
[2/26/2015 9:24:09 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i find that offensive
[2/26/2015 9:24:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: because with gender fluidity
[2/26/2015 9:24:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think the important thing to take home
[2/26/2015 9:24:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: is you are a man
[2/26/2015 9:24:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: is doesn’t matter if you have breasts, no breasts, vagina, penis, fish named ted
[2/26/2015 9:25:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: the entire idea behind gender theory
[2/26/2015 9:25:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that gender is a social construct and lies within the psyche
[2/26/2015 9:25:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: not the physical body
[2/26/2015 9:25:38 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): YES
[2/26/2015 9:25:41 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i am a man
[2/26/2015 9:25:46 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): having a vagina does not make me less of a man
[2/26/2015 9:25:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: so for me
[2/26/2015 9:25:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: stating that bioware is being transphobic
[2/26/2015 9:26:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: for having krem be like “no. I’m happy the way I am without going the full course”
[2/26/2015 9:26:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: is KIND OF MISSING THE POINT
[2/26/2015 9:27:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): reading the history of thedas is fascinating
[2/26/2015 9:27:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think it’s also important with the small details they give him, and maybe this wasn’t their intent
[2/26/2015 9:27:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but the idea that as a man, trans/cis/whatever
[2/26/2015 9:27:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can indulge in things people might consider girly
[2/26/2015 9:27:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: and it doesn’t affect your 'manhood’
[2/26/2015 9:28:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): ferelden is a small young baby country
[2/26/2015 9:28:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/26/2015 9:28:09 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): compared to the rest of thedas
[2/26/2015 9:28:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: it really is
[2/26/2015 9:28:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: it was only amade an official COUNTRY
[2/26/2015 9:28:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: in…. i think…
[2/26/2015 9:28:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: 4th age?
[2/26/2015 9:28:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: 5th age?
[2/26/2015 9:28:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: something like that?
[2/26/2015 9:28:56 PM] Helig: After a bunch of clans got beat up ibto ine kibgdom yes
[2/26/2015 9:29:01 PM] Helig: I AMASLEEP
[2/26/2015 9:29:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: HELIG
[2/26/2015 9:29:09 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): 5 th
[2/26/2015 9:29:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ASLEEP
[2/26/2015 9:29:14 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): storm age is the sixth so
[2/26/2015 9:29:27 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): the most interesting thing in the storm age is the Qunari
[2/26/2015 9:29:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): no storm is 7th
[2/26/2015 9:29:41 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): sory steel is 6th
[2/26/2015 9:29:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: 5th age
[2/26/2015 9:29:52 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah Exalted
[2/26/2015 9:30:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/26/2015 9:30:42 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): all the shit tha thappens in 9:31
[2/26/2015 9:30:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: calenhad was raised to 'annointed’ in the storm age i believe
[2/26/2015 9:30:54 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): like wow that was a busy year
[2/26/2015 9:31:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: heh
[2/26/2015 9:31:31 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): 9:31-37 Corypheus awakens in his prison and defeated by Hawke.
[2/26/2015 9:31:32 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): So
[2/26/2015 9:31:38 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Solas has to have been awake for awhile
[2/26/2015 9:31:55 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): because he had to give corypheus the orb before the game
[2/26/2015 9:31:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and corypheus talks about
[2/26/2015 9:32:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s been planning his thing for “years”
[2/26/2015 9:32:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and since he’s kind of delirious when he wakes up
[2/26/2015 9:32:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m unsure whether he gave his orb to cory shortly before inquisition
[2/26/2015 9:32:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: shortly after he awoke
[2/26/2015 9:32:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: or BEFORE he was imprisoned by the wardens
[2/26/2015 9:32:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: as it doesn’t really say
[2/26/2015 9:32:43 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i don’t think it was before
[2/26/2015 9:32:55 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but we shall see
[2/26/2015 9:33:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think it was before either
[2/26/2015 9:34:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): no it doesn’t make much sense for it to be before
[2/26/2015 9:34:22 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): since
[2/26/2015 9:34:24 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): hmmmmm
[2/26/2015 9:34:29 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): when do you think the gods were sealed away
[2/26/2015 9:35:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: before the tevinter conquest
[2/26/2015 9:36:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): well yeah
[2/26/2015 9:36:25 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i thas to be between
[2/26/2015 9:36:44 PM] Helig: gross sobbing i can not sleep because what are elven measurements and constants and did they really use base 10  in mathematics
[2/26/2015 9:36:44 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): the elves becoming isolationist
[2/26/2015 9:37:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and the tevinter conquest
[2/26/2015 9:37:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but that’s like
[2/26/2015 9:37:08 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): 2000 years for it to happen
[2/26/2015 9:37:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: so somewhere between, possibly maybe -1655 and -975
[2/26/2015 9:37:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: well the elves become isolationist in -1655
[2/26/2015 9:37:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: and arlathan finally falls completely in -975
[2/26/2015 9:37:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: although i’m thinking that the magisters sinking arlathan is legend
[2/26/2015 9:37:56 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): they sink it into the earth
[2/26/2015 9:37:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah
[2/26/2015 9:38:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the truth is that the leves warred amongst themselves
[2/26/2015 9:38:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i think that’s bs too
[2/26/2015 9:38:11 PM] Helig: Isolateion due to civil war, gods celaed, civil war rages on, society dettorates, elves loose immortality because Veil, tevinter co quest
[2/26/2015 9:38:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the Tevinters were like “well… um… that’s one problem out of the way?”
[2/26/2015 9:38:52 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I want to know for sure because I personally have a working theory about the Old Gods But
[2/26/2015 9:39:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I need to think about it more and how it works with the timeline
[2/26/2015 9:39:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: and for the elves on the lowest rungs of society (aka the majority of those whom would survive), whether or not tevinter sunk arlathan or the elves did wouldn’t really matter
[2/26/2015 9:39:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the tevinter did eventually conquer them (Possibly just by walking through the proverbial front door) and enslaved them
[2/26/2015 9:39:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: so it’s logical to assume that the elves that were subjugated would have created the legend of the tevinter conquest over the 1000+ years they were enslaved
[2/26/2015 9:40:15 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah that’s what i assumed
[2/26/2015 9:40:24 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah i think they became isolationist because
[2/26/2015 9:40:37 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): “the quickening” is actually the veil being created
[2/26/2015 9:40:47 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and they started losing their immorality because of that
[2/26/2015 9:40:54 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): not because of something like being in contact with humans
[2/26/2015 9:41:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i think that’s something that got made up while they were in slavery
[2/26/2015 9:41:24 PM | Edited 9:41:27 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I HAVE SO MANY FEELINGS ABOUT ELVHENAN OKAY i’m sorry
[2/26/2015 9:41:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps
[2/26/2015 9:41:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: although i’m unsure about the theory that the veil didn’t exist during arlathan
[2/26/2015 9:41:44 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I know.
[2/26/2015 9:41:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: given how absolutely flabbergasted solas is when they actually end up in the fade
[2/26/2015 9:41:50 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): We’ve discussed this before. :)
[2/26/2015 9:41:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^^
[2/26/2015 9:42:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): And you know why I don’t agree.
[2/26/2015 9:42:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Ha ha ha.
[2/26/2015 9:42:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/26/2015 9:42:08 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): WE SHALL SEE
[2/26/2015 9:42:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: `that could of course be the sealing away
[2/26/2015 9:42:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. the veil being created
[2/26/2015 9:43:03 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): maybe
[2/26/2015 9:43:22 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i’m trying to figure out what/who the old gods are
[2/26/2015 9:43:33 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that would determine what the sealing away actually was
[2/26/2015 9:43:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: well they are more than just dragon
[2/26/2015 9:43:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: dragons*
[2/26/2015 9:44:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: the great dragons are shown in the dragon age comics to be somewhat sentient
[2/26/2015 9:44:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i actually think that elvhenan had been in decline a long time before tevinter ever came upon them, especially since abelas says “the doors to this temple had long been shut”
[2/26/2015 9:44:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: so perhaps the old gods were just very old, very powerful dragons
[2/26/2015 9:44:15 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i’m not sure
[2/26/2015 9:44:16 PM] Helig: SHARDS OF MYTHAL’S SOUL THAT GOT SHATTERED AND TWISTED
[2/26/2015 9:44:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): they seem more than somewhat sentient
[2/26/2015 9:44:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: GO TO SLEEP YOUNG LADY
[2/26/2015 9:44:52 PM] Helig: Also read silent groove
[2/26/2015 9:44:58 PM] Helig: BYE
[2/26/2015 9:45:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: well right, but what i’m saying is that perhaps the old gods were to great dragons
[2/26/2015 9:45:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: what great dragons are to high dragons
[2/26/2015 9:45:38 PM] Helig: D o u b t it
[2/26/2015 9:45:43 PM] Helig: Too many connections
[2/26/2015 9:45:47 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i think the old gods are related to the elvhen gods
[2/26/2015 9:45:49 PM] Helig: With creators
[2/26/2015 9:45:52 PM] Helig: Yes
[2/26/2015 9:45:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they are related to
[2/26/2015 9:45:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: even though Solas says otherwise
[2/26/2015 9:46:01 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): the fall of elvhenan is too tightly connected to the rise of the old gods
[2/26/2015 9:46:01 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): so
[2/26/2015 9:46:04 PM] Helig: Read the divine thingy thing
[2/26/2015 9:46:11 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): “nothing in my people’s lore” he says
[2/26/2015 9:46:14 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): if there’s a connection
[2/26/2015 9:46:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: the divine thingy thing?
[2/26/2015 9:46:17 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he knows about it
[2/26/2015 9:46:19 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s just a masked lie
[2/26/2015 9:46:20 PM] Helig: He lies like an asshole
[2/26/2015 9:46:26 PM] Helig: Oh u know
[2/26/2015 9:46:34 PM] Helig: Some dude tried to
[2/26/2015 9:46:38 PM] Helig: Become a dragon
[2/26/2015 9:46:59 PM] Helig: In gokd ol elvhenan
[2/26/2015 9:47:10 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): mythal beat the shit out of him though
[2/26/2015 9:47:30 PM] Helig: Then her daughter saves your ass as a kickass dragon
[2/26/2015 9:47:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/26/2015 9:48:03 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): idk
[2/26/2015 9:48:04 PM] Helig: After she bonded to her mother
[2/26/2015 9:48:10 PM] Helig: COINCIDENCE.
[2/26/2015 9:48:14 PM] Helig: I THINK NOT
[2/26/2015 9:48:25 PM] Helig: Mythal is a dragon
[2/26/2015 9:48:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: it would be interesting
[2/26/2015 9:49:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): hm
[2/26/2015 9:49:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: if the old gods and the elvhen gods were related in some way such as being similar beings
[2/26/2015 9:49:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. similar to how dragons in DnD can shapeshift
[2/26/2015 9:49:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: i hope they don’t go that route because it would be a bit cliche
[2/26/2015 9:49:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it;s certainly possible
[2/26/2015 9:49:38 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I personally think that’s how they will go
[2/26/2015 9:49:42 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): they may eve BE the elvhen gods
[2/26/2015 9:49:43 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i mean
[2/26/2015 9:49:44 PM] Helig: Watch it, they are shards of mythal
[2/26/2015 9:49:45 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): they are sealed away
[2/26/2015 9:49:55 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): why would they be shards of mythal
[2/26/2015 9:49:55 PM] Helig: I am like 30% sure
[2/26/2015 9:50:05 PM] Helig: Which is a lot for my da theories
[2/26/2015 9:50:11 PM] Helig: Because
[2/26/2015 9:50:13 PM] Helig: Evidence
[2/26/2015 9:50:29 PM] Helig: I will quote flemeth on u but not now
[2/26/2015 9:50:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: helig, regale us with your knowledge later
[2/26/2015 9:50:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: for now
[2/26/2015 9:50:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: go the fuck to sleep <3
[2/26/2015 9:50:45 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeai want to know
[2/26/2015 9:50:47 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): please tell me later
[2/26/2015 9:50:51 PM] Helig: Essentially she says that she is but a shard of a whole, caught adrift
[2/26/2015 9:51:16 PM] Helig: And she easily absorbs a soul of an old god
[2/26/2015 9:51:24 PM] Helig: Like it’s breakfast burrito
[2/26/2015 9:51:37 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): hmmm but then she puts it in an eluvian later
[2/26/2015 9:51:37 PM] Helig: Suspicious
[2/26/2015 9:51:48 PM] Helig: I DON’T THINK SO
[2/26/2015 9:51:51 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): still think she and fen'harel contained the blight together
[2/26/2015 9:52:05 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): also made the crossroads together among other things
[2/26/2015 9:52:26 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but would need to think more about it
[2/26/2015 9:52:29 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): replay games reread novels
[2/26/2015 9:52:43 PM] Helig: First - maybe, second - I doubt it
[2/26/2015 9:52:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: well, i don’t know if you guys saw the dev notes
[2/26/2015 9:53:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: but basically she is putting her own divinity in that mirror
[2/26/2015 9:53:11 PM] Helig: ..is she
[2/26/2015 9:53:16 PM] Helig: Where was that
[2/26/2015 9:53:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: because she knows that Fen'Harel will do anything, kill anyone, to bring back Elvhenan
[2/26/2015 9:53:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but she wants to make sure that her divinity and her godhood, as it were
[2/26/2015 9:53:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: gets passed on to morrigan
[2/26/2015 9:53:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: let me try to find it
[2/26/2015 9:53:46 PM] Helig: I saw the leaving a present for Morrigan
[2/26/2015 9:53:48 PM] Helig: Hm
[2/26/2015 9:53:58 PM] Helig: It can be seen this way yes
[2/26/2015 9:54:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): wait are you in the “he ruthlessly murdered her” camp
[2/26/2015 9:55:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/2qa4cc/major_spoilers_post_credit_scene_explained/ here we go
[2/26/2015 9:55:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, i’m not
[2/26/2015 9:55:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not 100% sure
[2/26/2015 9:55:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: but I think he doesn’t take her power
[2/26/2015 9:55:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: but rather she gives it to him
[2/26/2015 9:55:44 PM] Helig: I am in the
[2/26/2015 9:55:47 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): so do i
[2/26/2015 9:55:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not sure
[2/26/2015 9:55:52 PM] Helig: Mythal gave her friend the powah
[2/26/2015 9:56:04 PM] Helig: And left something for her daughtah
[2/26/2015 9:56:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: alright, i don’t think helig is going to sleep
[2/26/2015 9:56:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL
[2/26/2015 9:56:34 PM] Helig: And fenharel killed my baby felassan they were good friends tho
[2/26/2015 9:56:36 PM] Helig: Cam0
[2/26/2015 9:56:39 PM] Helig: Camp
[2/26/2015 9:56:41 PM] Helig: Sob
[2/26/2015 9:56:48 PM] Helig: falls asleep
[2/26/2015 9:57:11 PM | Edited 9:57:16 PM] Helig: Elves ruin everything
[2/26/2015 9:57:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i’m not in that camp i do not think fen'harel killed felassan but i am in the minority
[2/26/2015 9:57:42 PM] *** Dregg Wolf (Miles) will always respectfully disagree ***
[2/26/2015 9:57:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think Solas is the being Felassan tlks to
[2/26/2015 9:58:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: i would PREFER that it is an as-of-yet unintroduced character
[2/26/2015 9:58:15 PM] Helig: I will be fascinated with an interesting alternative
[2/26/2015 9:58:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i think if it is an introduced charcater
[2/26/2015 9:58:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: that it is more likely Flemeth
[2/26/2015 9:58:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: than Solas
[2/26/2015 9:58:31 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): same
[2/26/2015 9:58:38 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i think it might be another of the elvhen gods
[2/26/2015 9:58:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: you can lie about a lot of things
[2/26/2015 9:58:41 PM] Helig: But we are roling with that with theharellan so
[2/26/2015 9:58:45 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): whose vallaslin he bears
[2/26/2015 9:58:46 PM] Helig: Shrugs
[2/26/2015 9:58:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but solas’s personality would have to be widely different for him to be a cold blooded killer
[2/26/2015 9:58:57 PM] Helig: Canonly? Who knows
[2/26/2015 9:59:06 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): [Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:58 PM] Puppy Bigby:

<<< but solas’s personality would have to be widely different for him to be a cold blooded killeryeah
[2/26/2015 9:59:12 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s not a cold blooded killer
[2/26/2015 9:59:13 PM] Helig: Uh um well
[2/26/2015 9:59:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: and lying about your entie personality
[2/26/2015 9:59:21 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s willing to KILL ANYONE but that doesn’t mean he doe sit in cold blood
[2/26/2015 9:59:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a bit much to swallow
[2/26/2015 9:59:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and killing felassan over the eluvian thing
[2/26/2015 9:59:37 PM] Helig: looks into the sun
[2/26/2015 9:59:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: doesn’t seem his style
[2/26/2015 9:59:46 PM] Helig: We do not know
[2/26/2015 9:59:49 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): solas is an effective liar because he uses truth to lie
[2/26/2015 9:59:50 PM] Helig: The whole story
[2/26/2015 9:59:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: but then again, we only see a small part of him in the game
[2/26/2015 10:00:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: felassan might not have been murdered
[2/26/2015 10:00:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are myriad of reasons
[2/26/2015 10:00:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: why he would have been killed
[2/26/2015 10:00:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: it could have very well been an agreement to kill him
[2/26/2015 10:00:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: either way
[2/26/2015 10:00:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: for reasons we do not know
[2/26/2015 10:00:32 PM] Helig: And he knew he would be too
[2/26/2015 10:00:37 PM] Helig: Yep
[2/26/2015 10:00:48 PM] Helig: Some sort of ritual maybe who knows
[2/26/2015 10:00:52 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): sighs
[2/26/2015 10:00:54 PM] Helig: shrugs
[2/26/2015 10:00:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i really do need to write that meta about solas
[2/26/2015 10:01:07 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): but at this point
[2/26/2015 10:01:12 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it’s going to be like thesis length
[2/26/2015 10:01:18 PM] Helig: Go for it
[2/26/2015 10:01:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: also it takes place in the fade, does it not?
[2/26/2015 10:01:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: and they’re not physically in the fade
[2/26/2015 10:01:31 PM | Edited 10:01:33 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s tranquil
[2/26/2015 10:01:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: right
[2/26/2015 10:01:35 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): not dead
[2/26/2015 10:01:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: so he could have been killed
[2/26/2015 10:01:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: or he could ahve been made tranquil
[2/26/2015 10:01:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: again, it could have been his choice to do so
[2/26/2015 10:01:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: shrug
[2/26/2015 10:04:56 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i used to write really good meta but this fandom terrifies me and my view of solas is more sympathetic than most so
[2/26/2015 10:05:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): unlike a lot of people
[2/26/2015 10:05:04 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i don’t think his entire personality is a lie
[2/26/2015 10:05:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): or that every other word that comes out of his mouth is complete bullshit
[2/26/2015 10:06:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[2/26/2015 10:06:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: i wish the bioware fandom was more like the obsidian fandom
[2/26/2015 10:06:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is much smaller
[2/26/2015 10:06:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: but more interested in discussing the minutia
[2/26/2015 10:06:25 PM | Edited 10:06:34 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that view really simplifies his character
[2/26/2015 10:06:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas this chunk of the bioware fandom
[2/26/2015 10:06:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: is just screaming childre
[2/26/2015 10:06:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: children
[2/26/2015 10:06:37 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it bothers me
[2/26/2015 10:06:41 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): solas is complex
[2/26/2015 10:06:44 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s written to be subtle
[2/26/2015 10:06:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes he is
[2/26/2015 10:06:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think a lot of the things he says are lies
[2/26/2015 10:06:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they are lies with meaning
[2/26/2015 10:06:58 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i appreciate his complexity and relate to him
[2/26/2015 10:07:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: in keeping with how he really wants to tell F!Lavellan the truth in the end
[2/26/2015 10:07:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think he wants you to pick apart what he says
[2/26/2015 10:07:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: and find deeper meaning
[2/26/2015 10:07:28 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): maybe
[2/26/2015 10:07:31 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i’m going to play through it again
[2/26/2015 10:07:35 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): pay more attention this time
[2/26/2015 10:07:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): take notes
[2/26/2015 10:07:47 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): more screencaps
[2/26/2015 10:07:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically i think Solas is Bioware’s Kreia
[2/26/2015 10:07:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: except far more subtle
[2/26/2015 10:07:52 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): he’s going to get his own folder
[2/26/2015 10:07:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not leaning towards evil
[2/26/2015 10:08:02 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i mean you could ask me something and i could try to explain but
[2/26/2015 10:08:09 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): explaining is hard
[2/26/2015 10:08:19 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): thoughts are too abstract
[2/26/2015 10:09:08 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): like
[2/26/2015 10:09:18 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): solas is relatively honest about his intentions and personal beliefs
[2/26/2015 10:09:20 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): actually
[2/26/2015 10:09:25 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): what he lies about are
[2/26/2015 10:09:28 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): a) himself
[2/26/2015 10:09:30 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): b) history
[2/26/2015 10:13:25 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): idk sorry
[2/26/2015 11:54:51 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): okay
[2/26/2015 11:54:53 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): real question
[2/26/2015 11:54:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): do you think the elves had their own term fro dreamer
[2/26/2015 11:55:00 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): like
[2/26/2015 11:55:05 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): as in capital D dramer
[2/26/2015 11:55:10 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): or did they just not make the distinction since
[2/26/2015 11:55:18 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): it seems like pretty much everyone is a Dreamer
[2/26/2015 11:55:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they had their own word
[2/26/2015 11:55:48 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): I want to know what it was
[2/26/2015 11:55:50 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): sighs
[2/26/2015 11:55:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[2/26/2015 11:55:57 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i actually need it for fanfic right now
[2/26/2015 11:55:59 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): this is frustrating
[2/26/2015 11:56:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: i work early tyomorrow
[2/26/2015 11:56:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: so I’m not doing much work on elvhen tonight
[2/26/2015 11:58:10 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): i always thought it was funny that solas has this SUPER RARE ABILITY that people in the second game were like wut over
[2/26/2015 11:58:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): and with him it’s just lkind of like lol
[2/26/2015 11:58:16 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah
[2/26/2015 11:58:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: which ability?
[2/26/2015 11:58:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh, dreamer
[2/26/2015 11:58:36 PM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): yeah
[2/27/2015 12:09:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think  erelan would mean mage
[2/27/2015 12:09:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: which would translate to “dreamer”
[2/27/2015 12:10:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: as Era'harel is abomination
[2/27/2015 12:10:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: and translates as demon mage
[2/27/2015 12:10:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: or dreaded mage
[2/27/2015 12:10:13 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): thanks
[2/27/2015 12:10:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: so i think 'dreamer’
[2/27/2015 12:10:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: would be something else
[2/27/2015 12:10:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: fyi, elan is the suffix i created
[2/27/2015 12:10:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: that forms an agent noun from a verb
[2/27/2015 12:10:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. tua (to create)+elan
[2/27/2015 12:10:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: tuelan = creator
[2/27/2015 12:15:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: the tevene is another topic of annoyance for me
[2/27/2015 12:15:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: and another reaosn why I will most likely create a tevene conlang
[2/27/2015 12:15:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: instead of letting it be latin
[2/27/2015 12:15:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: since somniari in latin
[2/27/2015 12:15:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: is the infinitive “to dream”
[2/27/2015 12:16:18 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): omfg
[2/27/2015 12:16:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: buti think they were going for something close to somnambulist
[2/27/2015 12:17:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: which would be somnambulus in latin
[2/27/2015 12:17:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: and means 'sleep walker’
[2/27/2015 12:17:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: so perhaps 'dream walker’
[2/27/2015 12:17:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: would be the term in elvish
[2/27/2015 12:18:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: eravirelan?
[2/27/2015 12:18:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: Viraeralen?
[2/27/2015 12:18:31 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Yeah I have him call himself a Fade Walker a lot
[2/27/2015 12:18:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: that woudl be i’ve'an'virelan
[2/27/2015 12:19:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i think eravirelan
[2/27/2015 12:19:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: is closest
[2/27/2015 12:19:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: as that would be 'dream walker’
[2/27/2015 12:19:53 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Thank you.
[2/27/2015 12:19:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: welcome
[2/27/2015 12:29:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: also -the is one of the suffixes used to create an abstract action noun from a verb
[2/27/2015 12:29:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. a noun embodying an action
[2/27/2015 12:29:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: rejection, confession, conscription
[2/27/2015 12:29:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: this is only used for a noun that is not the same form as the verb
[2/27/2015 12:31:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e.
[2/27/2015 12:31:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: dala = to kill, to destroy
[2/27/2015 12:31:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: dalathe = murder, destruction
[2/27/2015 12:32:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: and it is only used to create a noun from a verb that is not itself created from a noun
[2/27/2015 12:32:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e.
[2/27/2015 12:32:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: since harella is the verb to rebel, to fight with cause
[2/27/2015 12:33:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: but is formed from the noun harel / harrill / etc
[2/27/2015 12:33:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: harellathe would be an incorrect way of saying rebellion
[2/27/2015 12:33:59 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): oh
[2/27/2015 12:34:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: basically -the
[2/27/2015 12:34:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: works the same way as -tion, -cion, -ion, -ation, etc
[2/27/2015 12:36:11 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): Oh. Okay.
[2/27/2015 12:37:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: or -ure
[2/27/2015 12:37:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: closure
[2/27/2015 12:37:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: forfeiture
[2/27/2015 12:37:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: english has a lot of these suffixes
[2/27/2015 12:37:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: because our words come from everywhere
[2/27/2015 12:37:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: so which suffix we use to create an abstract noun
[2/27/2015 12:37:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: depends on the language of origin
[2/27/2015 12:38:27 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): that’s really interesting
[2/27/2015 12:38:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: for example, tion and cion are used mostly with latin origin words
[2/27/2015 12:38:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: and french origin words
[2/27/2015 12:39:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: (we take a lot of our words from french. Hooray Norman invasion!)
[2/27/2015 12:39:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: actually, boo, norman invasion
[2/27/2015 12:39:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: because it destroyed a shitton of english language and literature
[2/27/2015 12:39:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: but you get my point
[2/27/2015 12:39:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: Tolkien is on record stating that he believed The Norman invasion to be the single worst thing to ever happen to English literature
[2/27/2015 12:40:46 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): ughhhhhhhhhh
[2/27/2015 12:40:49 AM] Dregg Wolf (Miles): y e ah
[2/27/2015 12:41:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: this is mostly a legend about him
[2/27/2015 12:42:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: but supposedly he would recite poetry to his fellow soldiers during WW1
[2/27/2015 12:42:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: to help keep them calm and in good spirits
[2/27/2015 4:23:10 AM] Helig: Tolkien is awesome
[2/27/2015 7:52:34 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: compiled some phrases used at the Temple of Mythal in DA:I here: http://bunan-tsokolatte.tumblr.com/post/112254817703/bunan-studies-dragon-age-elvish-compilation-of . i’ll eventually make a master list post with links to individual posts like this so they’re all in one place and all these phrases aren’t cramming up into one long post :3
[2/27/2015 7:52:45 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: *DA: I
[2/27/2015 7:53:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: you’re awesome
[2/27/2015 7:57:08 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: glad to help :)
[2/27/2015 7:57:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: there’s also the phrase the elf (I’m not sure if it’s abelas or not) says to Cory when he enters
[2/27/2015 7:57:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: Na melana sur banallen
[2/27/2015 7:58:35 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhh mmkay. i’ll find it and transcribe it real quick. i was worried i’d missed one :P
[2/27/2015 8:00:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: my personal translation is
[2/27/2015 8:01:17 PM] Puppy Bigby:  na = you; melana= time; sura = to arrive, to come, to create, to be at; banalla (With banallen being plural)= nothing, darkspawn, enemy
[2/27/2015 8:01:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: Your time arrives, enemies / Your time arrives, darkspawn
[2/27/2015 8:02:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: because in the subtitles
[2/27/2015 8:02:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s written as Na melana sur, banallen
[2/27/2015 8:02:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: which gives me the idea that banallen is a noun in the vocative case
[2/27/2015 8:03:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: given that the vocative case is usually shown in English that way
[2/27/2015 8:03:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: and Elvish is an english cipher in the games
[2/27/2015 8:13:23 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: definitely makes sense to me :) i’ve updated the list that phrase. tagged you since you offered the translation for it :3
[2/27/2015 8:13:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^^
[2/27/2015 8:14:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: quenathra annoys me though
[2/27/2015 8:14:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: q is a hard consonant gaider
[2/27/2015 8:14:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: shakes fist
[2/27/2015 8:14:43 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i knooooooow
[2/27/2015 8:15:24 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: when i saw the subtitles i was like “wtf when have we ever seen a /k/ before in da elvish???”
[2/27/2015 8:15:29 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: it was bugging the crap out of me
[2/27/2015 8:15:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: i may throw it out
[2/27/2015 8:15:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: given that it is, to my knowledge, the only word like that
[2/27/2015 8:15:44 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha
[2/27/2015 8:15:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve come to peace with the fact that bioware is gonig to use their language wrong
[2/27/2015 8:16:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: so in creating the conlang
[2/27/2015 8:16:04 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm. same with the /p/ in 'penshra.’ it didn’t bug me quite as much as the /k/ did but still
[2/27/2015 8:16:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can’t take their use of elvish as law
[2/27/2015 8:16:15 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/27/2015 8:16:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: there are enough words in elvish with p
[2/27/2015 8:16:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: for me to excuse it
[2/27/2015 8:16:49 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmmmm. i haven’t come across any yet. it was a first for me lol
[2/27/2015 8:17:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: panowen is the name of an elf you can encounter in DA: O
[2/27/2015 8:17:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think p and t would be similar to x and q in english
[2/27/2015 8:17:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: in that they do exist
[2/27/2015 8:17:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: but aren’t used very often
[2/27/2015 8:17:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: perhaps left over vestiges from proto-elvish
[2/27/2015 8:17:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: or another language
[2/27/2015 8:17:28 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm  i can see that
[2/27/2015 8:17:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i also let p and t slide
[2/27/2015 8:17:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: since they are close enough to B and G
[2/27/2015 8:18:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes, you can argue that q/k are close to g too
[2/27/2015 8:18:06 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right, that’s the main reason it didn’t bother me so muc
[2/27/2015 8:18:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they are too hard for my liking
[2/27/2015 8:18:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: G can be pronounced easily
[2/27/2015 8:18:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: whereas K you have to force air across your tongue
[2/27/2015 8:18:41 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/27/2015 8:18:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: your tongue does the same thing for the most part
[2/27/2015 8:18:57 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i think the bilabial plosives, whether voiced or not, just seem more suited for it
[2/27/2015 8:19:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s the amont of vocal effort needed that makes K a 'hard’ consonant for me
[2/27/2015 8:19:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not G
[2/27/2015 8:19:11 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: exactly
[2/27/2015 8:19:35 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i would expect it from harsher languages, like qunlat and perhaps tevene from that one curse dorian always mutters in banter
[2/27/2015 8:19:45 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: elvish, not so much
[2/27/2015 8:19:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/27/2015 8:20:55 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: 'cause from doing my phoneme chart, elvish is extremely frontal, at least as far as consonants are concerned. i had to erase a lot of english consonants we use at the back of the mouth
[2/27/2015 8:21:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[2/27/2015 8:21:12 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: the only ones there are /g/ and /h/ and those are articulated so gently that /k/ doesn’t make sense to me
[2/27/2015 8:21:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhmm
[2/27/2015 8:21:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: the thing that annoys me
[2/27/2015 8:21:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that since it’s an english cipher
[2/27/2015 8:23:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s next to impossible to get conclusive morphological rules
[2/27/2015 8:24:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: without throwing out some work
[2/27/2015 8:24:27 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i know. i’m sighing at the thought of figuring those out
[2/27/2015 8:24:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m mostly just creating my own for the conlang
[2/27/2015 8:24:40 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: all the compiling is easy but analyzing will be interesting
[2/27/2015 8:24:47 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah, for sure
[2/27/2015 8:25:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: another major issue, of course
[2/27/2015 8:25:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that, from whati can tell, elvish is basically agglutinative, it has some fushional aspects
[2/27/2015 8:25:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: butmostly it’s agglutinative
[2/27/2015 8:25:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: english is not
[2/27/2015 8:25:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i think that throws another wrench into the mix with trying to figure out morphological rules
[2/27/2015 8:26:23 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 8:26:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i’ve created some suffixes and prefixes to help with that
[2/27/2015 8:26:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: such as -elan whcih is a suffix that turns a verb into an agent noun
[2/27/2015 8:27:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: the possessive modifiers -es, -an, and -re
[2/27/2015 8:27:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: which turn a noun into a possessive genitive
[2/27/2015 8:28:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: -the, which creates an abstract noun from a verb
[2/27/2015 8:28:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. lasa = to allow
[2/27/2015 8:28:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: lasathe = allowance
[2/27/2015 8:29:33 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm. those are definitely helpful
[2/27/2015 8:29:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: agfain, that’s entirely created for the conlang
[2/27/2015 8:29:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: a problem is that the elvish in the games
[2/27/2015 8:29:50 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: of course
[2/27/2015 8:29:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: sometimes uses declensions
[2/27/2015 8:29:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: sometimes it doesn’t
[2/27/2015 8:30:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i think that’s an issue with some writers making up conjugations/declensions
[2/27/2015 8:30:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: and others just going, 'meh’
[2/27/2015 8:30:44 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha right
[2/27/2015 8:30:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: orignially i was going to have nouns declent, similar to german
[2/27/2015 8:31:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i figured that A. that would be a bit too confusing for the type of people i’m doing this for
[2/27/2015 8:31:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: and B. too much of a deviation from Bioware’s work
[2/27/2015 8:31:17 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 8:31:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: Alamarri i’m going all out on though :p
[2/27/2015 8:31:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: all the declenting nouns my little heart desires
[2/27/2015 8:31:53 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: do ittttttt. that will be so exciting to do :D
[2/27/2015 8:32:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: alamarri has… checks
[2/27/2015 8:32:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: three genders
[2/27/2015 8:32:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: three numbers (nouns only get two, but pronouns and verbs have 3)
[2/27/2015 8:33:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: nouns have 6 cases
[2/27/2015 8:33:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: including case, number and gender
[2/27/2015 8:33:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: each noun has 35 declensions
[2/27/2015 8:35:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: verbs have 2 voices, two tenses, 3 moods, infinitive, participle, and 8 persons
[2/27/2015 8:36:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: and each verb has a total of…
[2/27/2015 8:36:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: counts
[2/27/2015 8:37:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: 75 declensions, including participles and infinitive
[2/27/2015 8:39:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: it would have more, but imperatives are only in the present active tense
[2/27/2015 8:39:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically the major tenses of alamarri verbs
[2/27/2015 8:41:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: if you include mood and voice, of course
[2/27/2015 8:41:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: are active present indicative, active present subjunctive, active past indicative, active past subjunctive, passive present indicative, passive present subjunctive, passive past indicative and passive past subjunctive
[2/27/2015 8:42:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: future tenses are done using auxiliary verbs
[2/27/2015 8:42:57 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: wow. i personally can’t remember much alamarri from the game (then again, i don’t remember details well) so i’m surprised there’s so much :O
[2/27/2015 8:43:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh, not that’s not from the game
[2/27/2015 8:43:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s all from my conlang
[2/27/2015 8:43:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: there is no alamarri in the game
[2/27/2015 8:43:19 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oh! okay
[2/27/2015 8:43:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: apart from names
[2/27/2015 8:43:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m basing it off of proto-germanic and old english
[2/27/2015 8:43:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: with the idea that Alamarri and Ander are sibling languages
[2/27/2015 8:43:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: and since Ander is either German (Or based on german if I do a conlang of that as well)
[2/27/2015 8:44:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: plus since Fereldan evolved from the alamarri
[2/27/2015 8:44:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: whatever language they spoke
[2/27/2015 8:44:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: would have evolved into englsih/Fereldan
[2/27/2015 8:44:41 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/27/2015 8:44:53 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: that is such a cool undertaking :)
[2/27/2015 8:44:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: so the language sounds vaguel germanic
[2/27/2015 8:45:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: but also sounds and looks slightly similar to english
[2/27/2015 8:45:02 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 8:45:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: without just being a rehash of old english
[2/27/2015 8:50:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: for example
[2/27/2015 8:53:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: Di clödbræt gehaulet þur dür tömbren
[2/27/2015 8:54:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: The wind howled through the trees.
[2/27/2015 8:54:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: lit.
[2/27/2015 8:54:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: The cloud breath howled through the timbers
[2/27/2015 8:56:14 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhh i see
[2/27/2015 9:06:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: or an eeven more english sounding one
[2/27/2015 9:10:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ik gemubagen su da sellendzstede gesterdag.
[2/27/2015 9:10:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: I went to the market yesterday
[2/27/2015 9:11:23 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmm
[2/27/2015 9:20:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m toying with the idea, of when i do the elvish orthography
[2/27/2015 9:20:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: of making it similar to korean
[2/27/2015 9:22:22 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha y'know when i thought about elvish orthography, i was thinking it would be nice if it was similar to korean xD
[2/27/2015 9:22:37 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hangul is so easy to learn too
[2/27/2015 9:22:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: well while thinking about it, it actually kind of makes sense
[2/27/2015 9:22:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: and yeah, korean is very simple when you break it down
[2/27/2015 9:23:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: where you have your letters
[2/27/2015 9:23:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then you have your syllable blocks
[2/27/2015 9:23:33 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm and the orthography is phonetic
[2/27/2015 9:23:37 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/27/2015 9:23:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: mhm
[2/27/2015 9:25:09 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: it would definitely make it accessible as far as being usable too. i learned hangul long before actually learning korean and i always tell people you can learn hangul in minutes and probably master it in a couple hours if you focus on it
[2/27/2015 9:25:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh yeah
[2/27/2015 9:25:29 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: it was made so it would be accessible. and it’s phonetic. and it’s awesome lol
[2/27/2015 9:25:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: i haven’t learned it perse
[2/27/2015 9:25:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i know the logic of it
[2/27/2015 9:25:37 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 9:25:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s very easy to wrap your head around
[2/27/2015 9:25:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: it really just breaks down
[2/27/2015 9:26:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: to consonant-vowel-consonant
[2/27/2015 9:26:05 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: exactly
[2/27/2015 9:26:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: while moving left to right
[2/27/2015 9:26:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: or clockwise, whichever word you prefer
[2/27/2015 9:26:22 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i explain to people that basically you have strokes that act as letters
[2/27/2015 9:26:30 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and you put them together to create syllables
[2/27/2015 9:26:38 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and yeah, you write it left to right, up to down
[2/27/2015 9:26:48 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: so much love for that writing system lol
[2/27/2015 9:26:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s a very logical writing system
[2/27/2015 9:27:07 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 10:03:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: gera = to buy
[2/27/2015 10:03:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: geral = present participle of buy
[2/27/2015 10:05:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: geral'an = market (lit. buying place)
[2/27/2015 10:10:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: Undaran su geral'an, lam'vun'in
[2/27/2015 10:10:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: i went to the market, yesterday
[2/27/2015 10:15:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ungeran sulosan uvala
[2/27/2015 10:15:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: i bought some eggs
[2/27/2015 10:17:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: Unboran ga'uvala su Solas
[2/27/2015 10:17:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: i threw them all at Solas
[2/27/2015 10:22:03 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha can’t decide whether ar'enaste or ma'enaste is correct to say in response to that :P
[2/27/2015 10:22:15 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i was saying it jokingly to a friend yesterday as “i approve”
[2/27/2015 10:25:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: enastan - i approve
[2/27/2015 10:25:08 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahahaha good :)
[2/27/2015 10:26:08 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: one of the phrases i had found from the temple was “mythal'enaste” which i roughly translated to “mythal favors you/approves of you” or even just “mythal’s favor/approval.” i couldn’t decide if they were using mythal as a subject or if they were adding possession lol
[2/27/2015 10:26:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: enaste means blessing, moreso than approval
[2/27/2015 10:26:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: and in my theory
[2/27/2015 10:26:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a more formal/archaic way of saying 'thank you’
[2/27/2015 10:26:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://fenxshiral.tumblr.com/post/111735086898/anethara-haren-sorry-for-being-a-bother-but
[2/27/2015 10:28:10 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmmm
[2/27/2015 10:28:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically 'mythal'enaste’
[2/27/2015 10:28:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: would essentially mean 'mythal bless you’
[2/27/2015 10:28:41 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 10:42:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have a list of things elves might say during sex
[2/27/2015 10:42:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: what am i doing with my life
[2/27/2015 10:43:05 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: wonderful, beautiful things
[2/27/2015 10:43:09 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and i’ve seen that list :P
[2/27/2015 10:43:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh no, this is much raunchier
[2/27/2015 10:43:25 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oh. yes. good
[2/27/2015 10:50:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: rosa'da'din is orgasm
[2/27/2015 10:50:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: pala is the noun sex, and the verb to have sex
[2/27/2015 10:52:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: lan'pala, len'pala, or lin'pala is masturbate, and needs to be paired with the right possessive
[2/27/2015 10:52:28 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[2/27/2015 10:52:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. ara'lan'pala, mar'lan'pala, etc
[2/27/2015 10:52:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: with lan, len, and lin being feminine, masculine, and neuter, respectively
[2/27/2015 10:52:51 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[2/27/2015 10:53:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: rosa'da'din translates to 'to endure a small death’
[2/27/2015 10:54:17 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i wondered if that’s what it translated to from “da'din” lol
[2/27/2015 10:54:26 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: reminded me of la petite mort from french
[2/27/2015 10:54:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: rosa is the verb to endure, to stand, to rise, to last, or to survive
[2/27/2015 10:54:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: that was the intention :3
[2/27/2015 10:54:48 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yessss :D
[2/27/2015 10:54:54 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ouiasssss :P
[2/27/2015 10:54:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[2/27/2015 10:55:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: i was kind of playing with the idea of gara being slang for orgasm
[2/27/2015 10:55:52 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ah yeah
[2/27/2015 10:55:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: as gara is the verb to arrive, to come
[2/27/2015 10:55:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i decided against it
[2/27/2015 10:56:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yeah i have a list of sex phrases
[2/27/2015 10:56:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: go me
[2/27/2015 10:56:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: Rosa'da'din in'em
[2/27/2015 10:56:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: essentially, cum inside ofme
[2/27/2015 10:57:12 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: enastan :P
[2/27/2015 10:57:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: Rosa'da'din in'emma'av'in
[2/27/2015 10:57:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: cum in my mouth
[2/27/2015 10:58:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: Rosa'da'din sule ara'sal'in
[2/27/2015 10:58:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: cum on my face
[2/27/2015 10:58:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s like a solavellan smut writer’s wet dream
[2/27/2015 10:58:55 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that :P
[2/27/2015 10:58:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[2/27/2015 10:59:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: Jupalan ma tel ma sule'din
[2/27/2015 10:59:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m going to fuck you until you have no endurance left
[2/27/2015 10:59:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: Jupalan ma sule banalan in'em, ma tel'rosa'da'din'el
[2/27/2015 11:00:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: I’m going to fuck you until you empty yourself inside of me and can’t orgasm any more
[2/27/2015 11:01:34 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: -nodnod- yes yes, good
[2/27/2015 11:01:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have some slightly dirtier ones too
[2/27/2015 11:02:39 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: haha good
[2/27/2015 11:06:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: nuvenan avan ma'edhis sule bre'rosas'da'din in br'av.
[2/27/2015 11:06:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: I want to suck your cock (penis, lit.) until you cum deep in my throat
[2/27/2015 11:07:45 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yes, good (and not gonna lie, i read 'edhis’ and immaturely giggled muttering “hehehe…penis…”)
[2/27/2015 11:08:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: Nuvenan rosa'da'din in ma sule enan'ma.
[2/27/2015 11:08:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: I want to cum inside of you until I spill out of you.
[2/27/2015 11:08:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: Pala ma ara'br'av sule ir garas, em avan ma mahnnar
[2/27/2015 11:08:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: Fuck my throat until you cum so much that I can taste you next year.
[2/27/2015 11:10:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: Nuvenan inana mar'len'palas, i avanan ma'da'vin tar mar'len.
[2/27/2015 11:10:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: I want to watch you masturbate, and then lick your cum off your body.
[2/27/2015 11:11:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: Nuvenan pala asa'edhas, i garas in emma'av'in, my avemah ta'se.
[2/27/2015 11:11:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: Fuck her vagina, and then cum in my mouth so I can taste both of you.
[2/27/2015 11:11:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think that’s all i have?
[2/27/2015 11:12:14 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha it’s great so far
[2/27/2015 11:12:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh god, how it might have bene different if I had written solas instead of weekes
[2/27/2015 11:12:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Solas, what are you doing in there?”
[2/27/2015 11:13:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Ara'len'palal.”
[2/27/2015 11:13:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: “huh?”
[2/27/2015 11:13:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: “… research.”
[2/27/2015 11:13:26 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha
[2/27/2015 11:14:31 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: finding a way to say “sit on my face” would be fun just for giggles lol
[2/27/2015 11:14:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: whispering into lavellan’s ear “Nuvenan rosa'da'din in ma sule enan'ma.”
[2/27/2015 11:14:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: “what does that mean, solas?”
[2/27/2015 11:15:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: “… the scent of your hair reminds me beautiful nights.”
[2/27/2015 11:15:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: “awwwwwww”
[2/27/2015 11:15:16 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lavellan greatly approves xD
[2/27/2015 11:15:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the lavellan finds out/realizes what it really means
[2/27/2015 11:15:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and goes every single shade of red
[2/27/2015 11:17:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Ha'mi'ina sul ara'sal'in, i dirtha em lathas em.”
[2/27/2015 11:17:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: rest on my face, and tell me that you love me
[2/27/2015 11:18:09 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha yesssss
[2/27/2015 11:18:27 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lavellan (secretly) greatly approves
[3/3/2015 10:10:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: fooling around with orthography
[3/3/2015 10:10:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i want something flowing
[3/3/2015 10:11:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: and right now am playing with a couple of orthographies based upon syriac and arabic
[3/3/2015 10:11:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: this is the arabic based one:
[3/7/2015 2:08:24 AM] *** Puppy Bigby added nadaselgar ***
[3/7/2015 2:08:56 AM] nadaselgar: HI YES HELLO I HAVE ARRIVED.
[3/7/2015 2:09:04 AM] nadaselgar: Prepare for spam at 2am whenever I have an idea.
[3/7/2015 2:09:07 AM] nadaselgar: You’ve been warned.
[3/7/2015 2:09:10 AM] nadaselgar: I also type fast.
[3/7/2015 2:09:11 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): Oh my
[3/7/2015 2:09:11 AM] nadaselgar: So I’m sorry.
[3/7/2015 2:09:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: resident russian lady isn’t here
[3/7/2015 2:10:01 AM] Helig: I am now
[3/7/2015 2:10:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: OHHI
[3/7/2015 2:10:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: new person
[3/7/2015 2:10:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: this is resident russian lady
[3/7/2015 2:10:17 AM] nadaselgar: http://nadas-elgar-lavellan.tumblr.com/post/108870150421/so-i-created-my-own-version-of-written-elvish-i
[3/7/2015 2:10:23 AM] nadaselgar: HI RESIDENT RUSSIAN LADY.
[3/7/2015 2:10:32 AM] Helig: Hi new person
[3/7/2015 2:10:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: resident russian lady is awesome
[3/7/2015 2:10:37 AM] nadaselgar: And that’s the thingy, Bigby-Since-I-Have-No-Names
[3/7/2015 2:10:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: I’m Mark
[3/7/2015 2:10:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: resident russian lady is Helig, or whatever else she would like to be called
[3/7/2015 2:11:01 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): I’m Miles.
[3/7/2015 2:11:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: also known as the guy who will talk your face off about solas
[3/7/2015 2:11:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: whether you want him to or not
[3/7/2015 2:11:17 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): True.
[3/7/2015 2:11:20 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): True.
[3/7/2015 2:11:24 AM] nadaselgar: Sounds like that is my new best friend
[3/7/2015 2:11:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: so it might be best to make peace with it now
[3/7/2015 2:11:28 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): He’s gained me 50 followers.
[3/7/2015 2:11:40 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Tina! Hello :)
[3/7/2015 2:11:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: Tina is pretty much the only person here with a special paper that says linguistics on it
[3/7/2015 2:11:56 AM] nadaselgar: tfw mom rants at me about the litter box.
[3/7/2015 2:12:00 AM] Helig: Hey,  new person,  how are you with physics.
[3/7/2015 2:12:09 AM] nadaselgar: “I’ll kick you out if it’s not clean” “…then it will never be clean”
[3/7/2015 2:12:14 AM] nadaselgar: As for physics, the basics.
[3/7/2015 2:12:19 AM] Helig: My paper has Computer Science  on it,  hah.
[3/7/2015 2:12:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: Ren hasn’t been here fr a while
[3/7/2015 2:12:27 AM] nadaselgar: My paper has GED on it.
[3/7/2015 2:12:27 AM] nadaselgar: :D
[3/7/2015 2:12:33 AM] Helig: Aaah,  pity but good.
[3/7/2015 2:12:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i’ll introduce you whenever they’re around again
[3/7/2015 2:12:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: i have a degree in Cinema Studies and Film Production
[3/7/2015 2:12:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s mostly useless
[3/7/2015 2:13:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: as most everything i know
[3/7/2015 2:13:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: i learned outside of college
[3/7/2015 2:13:13 AM] nadaselgar: I just really like language… a lot.
[3/7/2015 2:13:21 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yes. Good.
[3/7/2015 2:13:43 AM] nadaselgar: I once went on a high-rant to a friend about how amazing English can be, because the word 'like’ has so man different uses and it changes depending on circumstance and tone.
[3/7/2015 2:13:48 AM] nadaselgar: While I was /high/.
[3/7/2015 2:14:30 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): I’m a Pre-Law/English double major.
[3/7/2015 2:14:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: English can amazing
[3/7/2015 2:14:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: or it can be annoying as all fuck
[3/7/2015 2:14:52 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahahaha, that would be what Applied Linguistics would talk about (which is more precisely what my special paper says)
[3/7/2015 2:15:05 AM] nadaselgar: The majority of my knowledge is self-taught, to be honest.
[3/7/2015 2:15:09 AM] nadaselgar: Hence the GED.
[3/7/2015 2:15:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: (it also says French on it)
[3/7/2015 2:15:31 AM] nadaselgar: I an monolingual. :C
[3/7/2015 2:15:34 AM] nadaselgar: **am
[3/7/2015 2:15:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Cool! Thirst for knowledge is good :)
[3/7/2015 2:15:45 AM] Helig: 07.03.2015 в 3:42 AM, Tas Lovellan написал (-а):
> “ Cole was written a third option: Kill the templar. To emotionally interfere with him, spirit of compassion. Cut b/c resources.”
[3/7/2015 2:15:57 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: All good. I was raised monolingual. The languages I know are either self or class taught.
[3/7/2015 2:16:09 AM] nadaselgar: I plan on learning… a few more.
[3/7/2015 2:16:13 AM] nadaselgar: But… yeeeeah
[3/7/2015 2:16:19 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Learn them allllllllll.
[3/7/2015 2:16:37 AM] nadaselgar: Well, on my list is currently Russian, Chinese, German, Spanish, French, Japanese.
[3/7/2015 2:16:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: I want to actually learn more languages
[3/7/2015 2:16:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: i know a lot ABOUT languages
[3/7/2015 2:16:42 AM] nadaselgar: Not in that order.
[3/7/2015 2:16:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: buti can’t speak any besides english
[3/7/2015 2:16:49 AM] nadaselgar: But I’d love to learn all those.
[3/7/2015 2:16:57 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmmm. I’m the opposite. Want to learn more about languages.
[3/7/2015 2:17:01 AM] nadaselgar: I can make people THINK I speak languages.
[3/7/2015 2:17:13 AM] nadaselgar: Because I like learning ABOUT languages.
[3/7/2015 2:17:24 AM] nadaselgar: Plus the fact the Latin is the beginnings to a lot of them makes it easier.
[3/7/2015 2:17:26 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): I’m more interested in writing out the phoneme chart for my Elvish and then going to bed.
[3/7/2015 2:17:32 AM] nadaselgar: xD
[3/7/2015 2:17:48 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I know French and Korean the best. Italian after that. I took Tagalog classes but they were confusing, but I understand it better. And I understand Japanese and Spanish better than I speak it.
[3/7/2015 2:17:56 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): Goodnight.
[3/7/2015 2:18:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: night, miles
[3/7/2015 2:18:03 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: G'night!
[3/7/2015 2:18:06 AM] Fen'Harelism (Miles): Thanks :)
[3/7/2015 2:18:33 AM] nadaselgar: Niiight
[3/7/2015 2:18:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: alright, so one problem i see with your orthography
[3/7/2015 2:19:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: which, i must stress i like rather a lot
[3/7/2015 2:19:27 AM] nadaselgar: Aw, thanks. Now what’s wrong with it?
[3/7/2015 2:20:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: With your orthography, the writing in the original example
[3/7/2015 2:20:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: reads: Gfced Jibha
[3/7/2015 2:20:46 AM] nadaselgar: Yes, I considered that.
[3/7/2015 2:21:01 AM] nadaselgar: The thing is, we don’t know what it says.
[3/7/2015 2:21:10 AM] nadaselgar: And, we don’t have every word in Elvhen.
[3/7/2015 2:21:29 AM] nadaselgar: So, there’s entirely a possibility that “Gfced Jibha” is real elvish.
[3/7/2015 2:21:33 AM] nadaselgar: We just don’t know, we can’t verify.
[3/7/2015 2:21:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: actually, given the elvish phonology
[3/7/2015 2:21:42 AM] nadaselgar: And that is why I pretty much said,“Fuck it.”
[3/7/2015 2:21:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: there is almost 0% those are elvish words
[3/7/2015 2:22:18 AM] nadaselgar: Well, yes, but I am a 20 year old female who didn’t think it was going to be popular and I worked on it for about an hour.
[3/7/2015 2:22:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: or sorry, elvish morphology
[3/7/2015 2:22:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: not phonology
[3/7/2015 2:22:36 AM] nadaselgar: I saw the flaw, and I pretty much said fuck it, so, let’s fix it.
[3/7/2015 2:22:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: oh right, and i’m not faulting you for that
[3/7/2015 2:22:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i like what you did
[3/7/2015 2:22:59 AM] nadaselgar: That’s the point of a group, fixing it with minds that compensate for the others’ lack of skill.
[3/7/2015 2:23:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: however, my issue is that if I use an orthography based upon that snippet
[3/7/2015 2:23:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: that snippet will need to make sense
[3/7/2015 2:23:24 AM] nadaselgar: That’s literally the only snippet.
[3/7/2015 2:23:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: exactly
[3/7/2015 2:23:30 AM] nadaselgar: So we have to make it make sense.
[3/7/2015 2:23:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: which is why it was my intention to not use it
[3/7/2015 2:23:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: because it is almost impossible to figure out what it reads
[3/7/2015 2:23:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: well not impossible
[3/7/2015 2:23:48 AM] nadaselgar: And as it’s also on a map from the 5th blight, it has to make sense in that context.
[3/7/2015 2:23:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: but very, very , very hard
[3/7/2015 2:23:54 AM] nadaselgar: Well, I didn’t have anything else to use.
[3/7/2015 2:23:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: no it’s from the 4th blight
[3/7/2015 2:24:00 AM] nadaselgar: 4th, thanks.
[3/7/2015 2:24:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: and it could be anything
[3/7/2015 2:24:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: as far as I know
[3/7/2015 2:24:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: it doesn’t say in the book what battle it’s from
[3/7/2015 2:24:26 AM] nadaselgar: They claim it on the wiki for Elven Language.
[3/7/2015 2:24:37 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug-
[3/7/2015 2:24:38 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: So we don’t know what that picture exactly depicts from the 4th Blight?
[3/7/2015 2:24:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: correct
[3/7/2015 2:24:49 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmkay
[3/7/2015 2:24:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: as far as I know, we just know that it’s a battle map from the 4th blight
[3/7/2015 2:24:54 AM] nadaselgar: It APPEARS to be movements on land.
[3/7/2015 2:24:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: presumeably written by Garahel
[3/7/2015 2:25:05 AM] nadaselgar: So, it could be the way the blight is moving.
[3/7/2015 2:25:13 AM] nadaselgar: Or the troops to put where-ever.
[3/7/2015 2:25:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: no it’s a battle map
[3/7/2015 2:25:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: we know that much
[3/7/2015 2:25:32 AM] nadaselgar: I meant Darkspawn forces.
[3/7/2015 2:25:34 AM] nadaselgar: As blight.
[3/7/2015 2:25:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: yes, i know. im saying it’s a battle map. i.e. the map garahel would have wrote out to show his proposed strategy for the upcoming battle
[3/7/2015 2:26:21 AM] nadaselgar: The thing is, the only words would be place names.
[3/7/2015 2:26:25 AM] nadaselgar: Like “Thedas”
[3/7/2015 2:26:39 AM] nadaselgar: or “The Dales”
[3/7/2015 2:26:41 AM] nadaselgar: Or whatever.
[3/7/2015 2:27:06 AM] nadaselgar: So, the name of where ever he was moving his troops, I think would be most likely in that case.
[3/7/2015 2:28:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: i agree
[3/7/2015 2:28:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think it’s the area
[3/7/2015 2:28:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: it could be ayesleight
[3/7/2015 2:28:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: but given that it’s elvish script
[3/7/2015 2:28:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s obviously either the elvish name for the battle
[3/7/2015 2:28:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: the elvish name for the place
[3/7/2015 2:28:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: etc
[3/7/2015 2:28:44 AM] nadaselgar: Names for battles usually come AFTER the battle.
[3/7/2015 2:28:51 AM] nadaselgar: So I don’t think it’s be the name for the battle.
[3/7/2015 2:28:54 AM] nadaselgar: **It’d
[3/7/2015 2:29:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: well right, but i mean the proposed name for the battole
[3/7/2015 2:29:10 AM] nadaselgar: Since, from what you said, it was him writing out the plan for the battle.
[3/7/2015 2:29:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. the operation name
[3/7/2015 2:29:21 AM] nadaselgar: SNEAKY ELVES.
[3/7/2015 2:29:27 AM] nadaselgar: That’s it, canon, work it out.
[3/7/2015 2:29:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[3/7/2015 2:30:47 AM] nadaselgar: Which one of you is my new follower? >.>
[3/7/2015 2:30:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: HA
[3/7/2015 2:30:55 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Me. ._.
[3/7/2015 2:31:02 AM] nadaselgar: >bunan
[3/7/2015 2:31:06 AM] nadaselgar: I am idiota.
[3/7/2015 2:31:07 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yes.
[3/7/2015 2:31:12 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahaha it’s okay xD
[3/7/2015 2:31:35 AM] nadaselgar: I have taken my sleeping pills, I have to take out a cat box, and I’m also trying to think.
[3/7/2015 2:31:42 AM] nadaselgar: I’ll brb, gonna do that second thing now.
[3/7/2015 2:31:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: k
[3/7/2015 2:38:18 AM] nadaselgar: Back
[3/7/2015 2:38:53 AM] nadaselgar: So, the ad I’m looking at “FBI Direct has Funny Ways…”
[3/7/2015 2:38:55 AM] nadaselgar: **Director
[3/7/2015 2:39:06 AM] nadaselgar: And I thought it was talking about Director Fury…
[3/7/2015 2:39:19 AM] nadaselgar: Anyhow.
[3/7/2015 2:39:25 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol
[3/7/2015 2:39:30 AM] nadaselgar: Is there any way we can know for sure what that map says?
[3/7/2015 2:40:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: sure, but it’s long and arduous
[3/7/2015 2:40:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: you basically have to sit there and use linguistic and orthographical ninjitsu to figure it out with blunt force
[3/7/2015 2:40:32 AM] nadaselgar: …. Well, if it makes you feel ANY BETTER.
[3/7/2015 2:40:44 AM] nadaselgar: I spent 3 days trying to find examples of written elvhen.
[3/7/2015 2:40:51 AM] nadaselgar: And went to the wiki page several times.
[3/7/2015 2:40:55 AM] nadaselgar: Combed through the wiki.
[3/7/2015 2:41:06 AM] nadaselgar: And then realized the main photo was what I was looking for.
[3/7/2015 2:41:12 AM] nadaselgar: So…. how bad can it be? :D
[3/7/2015 2:41:23 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Right? xD
[3/7/2015 2:41:28 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: The most I found was that the main character in The Last Flight finds it, and it leads her to the journal of Isseya and Garahel. And it’s lyrium-laced.
[3/7/2015 2:41:43 AM] nadaselgar: That’s actually really REALLY cool.
[3/7/2015 2:41:43 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: And then I proceeded looking at every 2 word phrase that was 5 letters each -__-’
[3/7/2015 2:41:47 AM] nadaselgar: Because like.
[3/7/2015 2:42:03 AM] nadaselgar: Ancient Elves supposedly all had magic, right?
[3/7/2015 2:42:11 AM] nadaselgar: Like, literally EVERYTHING was magical.
[3/7/2015 2:42:17 AM] nadaselgar: -whispers- /everything/
[3/7/2015 2:42:31 AM] nadaselgar: So, can you imagine them using lyrium based ink for things?
[3/7/2015 2:42:37 AM] nadaselgar: Just like…. to give words meaning.
[3/7/2015 2:42:46 AM] nadaselgar: Maybe it like, made you FEEL like you were there.
[3/7/2015 2:42:55 AM] nadaselgar: Ok, sorry, moving on, Lyrium ink is for not-now times.
[3/7/2015 2:43:05 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahaha, it’s a cool thought though :)
[3/7/2015 2:43:22 AM] nadaselgar: Yeah, I think of all sorts of cool things. xD
[3/7/2015 2:43:36 AM] nadaselgar: And about 90% of them are kinda useless.
[3/7/2015 2:43:43 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Same, friend, same.
[3/7/2015 2:43:59 AM] nadaselgar: …. Dude though…
[3/7/2015 2:44:00 AM] nadaselgar: Sorry.
[3/7/2015 2:44:00 AM] nadaselgar: But.
[3/7/2015 2:44:10 AM] nadaselgar: All the fanfictions where time wimey shitty witty happens.
[3/7/2015 2:44:23 AM] nadaselgar: Because people wanna write Sollavellan with concept art solas, basically.
[3/7/2015 2:44:34 AM] nadaselgar: (Though I think that concept art solas fits younger solas well)
[3/7/2015 2:44:41 AM] nadaselgar: But can you imagine Fenris going back?
[3/7/2015 2:44:46 AM] nadaselgar: With his Lyrium veins?
[3/7/2015 2:44:47 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/7/2015 2:44:57 AM] nadaselgar: So many possibilities.
[3/7/2015 2:45:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: i doubt lyrium was used en masse
[3/7/2015 2:45:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: given the pains taken in modern day to protect others from lyrium
[3/7/2015 2:45:23 AM] nadaselgar: Because the dwarves had to mine it?
[3/7/2015 2:45:29 AM] nadaselgar: Oh, or that.
[3/7/2015 2:45:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: it is unlikely that the elves had some sort of magical ninjitsu to protect themselves from it
[3/7/2015 2:45:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: so slightly lyrium laced ink
[3/7/2015 2:45:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: with very small trace amounts of lyrium perhaps
[3/7/2015 2:45:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: but not lyrium based ink
[3/7/2015 2:45:50 AM] nadaselgar: Well, lyirum is put into mana potions.
[3/7/2015 2:45:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: right, but as far as lore infers
[3/7/2015 2:46:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: only very small amounts
[3/7/2015 2:46:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: plus, as far as lore goes
[3/7/2015 2:46:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: you eventually become dependent upon said potions
[3/7/2015 2:46:19 AM] nadaselgar: >This is the person who only has the smallest amount of Thedosian knowledge.
[3/7/2015 2:46:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: and eventually go banana-crazy-pants
[3/7/2015 2:46:35 AM] Helig: Why would you need a lot of lyrium
[3/7/2015 2:46:40 AM] Helig: If you had no veil
[3/7/2015 2:46:46 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: (Hahaha, no worries. I forget lore details all the time too)
[3/7/2015 2:46:49 AM] nadaselgar: That’s another point too.
[3/7/2015 2:46:56 AM] nadaselgar: But the veil thing is just a theory, isn’t it?
[3/7/2015 2:47:01 AM] Helig: Mmm
[3/7/2015 2:47:08 AM] Helig: looks at sandal
[3/7/2015 2:47:16 AM] Helig: looks at silent grove
[3/7/2015 2:47:19 AM] Helig: Not
[3/7/2015 2:47:20 AM] nadaselgar: -snorts-
[3/7/2015 2:47:22 AM] Helig: Exactly
[3/7/2015 2:47:26 AM] nadaselgar: Sandal is my favorite.
[3/7/2015 2:47:26 AM] Helig: Just a theory
[3/7/2015 2:47:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: -looks into the camera like you’re on “The Office”-
[3/7/2015 2:47:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: no, the veil is very much real
[3/7/2015 2:47:41 AM] nadaselgar: Yes, it is.
[3/7/2015 2:47:45 AM] Helig: It is now.
[3/7/2015 2:47:54 AM] Helig: WHO SAID IT WAS
[3/7/2015 2:48:00 AM] nadaselgar: You know the Solas/Veil theory right?
[3/7/2015 2:48:03 AM] nadaselgar: Just… asking.
[3/7/2015 2:48:05 AM] nadaselgar: Because if not…
[3/7/2015 2:48:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: to an extent
[3/7/2015 2:48:09 AM] nadaselgar: I can tell ya.
[3/7/2015 2:48:10 AM] Helig: Yes.
[3/7/2015 2:48:23 AM] nadaselgar: I’m only moderately obsessed I promise.
[3/7/2015 2:48:24 AM] nadaselgar: >.>
[3/7/2015 2:48:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: it is something miles and I disagree on
[3/7/2015 2:48:33 AM] nadaselgar: Who’s on what side?
[3/7/2015 2:48:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: he subscribes to the theory that there was no veil during the times of arlathan
[3/7/2015 2:48:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: i do not
[3/7/2015 2:48:53 AM] nadaselgar: Why not?
[3/7/2015 2:49:02 AM] nadaselgar: Because I’m like Miles more and more now…. xD
[3/7/2015 2:49:05 AM] nadaselgar: **liking
[3/7/2015 2:49:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: too many inconsistencies and too many things based upon the existence of the veil
[3/7/2015 2:49:11 AM] Helig: I stand in the middle.
[3/7/2015 2:49:32 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug- I think it makes sense.
[3/7/2015 2:50:03 AM] nadaselgar: Anyhow, what we do know is that Tevinter stole a lot from the elves.
[3/7/2015 2:50:15 AM] Helig: Including elves.
[3/7/2015 2:50:16 AM] nadaselgar: So, perhaps, the elves DID have a way of working lyirum.
[3/7/2015 2:50:21 AM] nadaselgar: TOO SOON, HELIG.
[3/7/2015 2:50:29 AM] nadaselgar: >It’s been 2000 years
[3/7/2015 2:50:36 AM] Helig: Never too soon to talk about slavery. Get over it.
[3/7/2015 2:50:53 AM] Helig: Also elves knew how to work with blood and spirit.
[3/7/2015 2:50:59 AM] nadaselgar: With Fenris, its ALWAYS too soon.
[3/7/2015 2:51:02 AM] nadaselgar: That’s another good point.
[3/7/2015 2:51:09 AM] Helig: motions to ancient arcane warrior in a can
[3/7/2015 2:51:21 AM] nadaselgar: In Thedas, blood and spirit and all that shebang is really…. difficult.
[3/7/2015 2:51:25 AM] nadaselgar: What’s the wor- VOLATIEL.
[3/7/2015 2:51:27 AM] nadaselgar: Tile
[3/7/2015 2:51:29 AM] nadaselgar: volatile
[3/7/2015 2:51:44 AM] Helig: points at magic
[3/7/2015 2:51:50 AM] nadaselgar: But the Elves had been using those two things for literally 8000??? years?
[3/7/2015 2:51:51 AM] Helig: points at fade
[3/7/2015 2:51:59 AM | Edited 2:52:05 AM] Helig: Imma put it in formulas
[3/7/2015 2:52:13 AM] Helig: They were
[3/7/2015 2:52:21 AM] nadaselgar: Something tells me 80% of this speculation is gonna be resolved in DA4.
[3/7/2015 2:52:23 AM] Helig: They also were magic as fuck
[3/7/2015 2:52:28 AM] nadaselgar: Because they CANNOT FOCUS ON TEMPLARS AND MAGES ANYMORE.
[3/7/2015 2:53:04 AM] Helig: AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS NO VEIL, but quite probably two worlds were not exactly merged
[3/7/2015 2:53:12 AM] Helig: Or probably  were not even just
[3/7/2015 2:53:13 AM] Helig: Two
[3/7/2015 2:53:28 AM] nadaselgar: I think more that the Veil is like a condom.
[3/7/2015 2:53:34 AM] nadaselgar: It was thinner back then.
[3/7/2015 2:53:34 AM] Helig: Snort
[3/7/2015 2:53:36 AM] nadaselgar: More holes.
[3/7/2015 2:53:59 AM] nadaselgar: And in order to trap shit and stuff, Solas made that condom a super mega latex triple protect.
[3/7/2015 2:53:59 AM] Helig: I think it’s  more like a sudden reverse polarity that you need to overcome now
[3/7/2015 2:54:04 AM] Helig: Where there was none
[3/7/2015 2:54:09 AM] nadaselgar: And that’s why his magic is like a needle to the condom.
[3/7/2015 2:54:11 AM] Helig: Nah
[3/7/2015 2:54:26 AM] Helig: I don’t  think he conciously did that shit
[3/7/2015 2:54:40 AM] nadaselgar: Well, he consciously did SOMETHING to lock the gods away.
[3/7/2015 2:54:46 AM] nadaselgar: Unless you don’t think he did that on purpose?
[3/7/2015 2:55:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t think he had anything to do with sealing the gods away
[3/7/2015 2:55:09 AM] nadaselgar: I do.
[3/7/2015 2:55:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think it was just all eventually blamed on him
[3/7/2015 2:55:14 AM] Helig: And mon ami large amounts of magic is what punches shit in the veil
[3/7/2015 2:55:22 AM] nadaselgar: It makes sense to me that he did it.
[3/7/2015 2:55:25 AM] Helig: As did his orb and mask
[3/7/2015 2:55:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: well the mask is vaguely canon
[3/7/2015 2:55:54 AM] Helig: Sounds like an energy treshold for me
[3/7/2015 2:56:01 AM] Helig: Mask is ugh
[3/7/2015 2:56:19 AM] Helig: Has the same thing that makes me ugh about witch hunt
[3/7/2015 2:56:19 AM] nadaselgar: Or maybe we’re trying to use too much of what we know to explain something we don’t.
[3/7/2015 2:56:27 AM] Helig: Explain why only dali should blood pls
[3/7/2015 2:56:34 AM] Helig: Dalish*
[3/7/2015 2:56:42 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/7/2015 2:56:44 AM] Helig: Nah we have enough
[3/7/2015 2:56:50 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug-
[3/7/2015 2:57:12 AM] nadaselgar: I’ve never been the type to create fan theories. Just read and then have an opinion.
[3/7/2015 2:58:03 AM] Helig: 07.03.2015 в 10:55 AM, Puppy Bigby написал (-а):
> i don’t think he had anything to do with sealing the gods away
I think he did, does and will do again bc he is a little shit like that.
[3/7/2015 2:58:29 AM] Helig: Solas is a little shit, trust me,  I play felassan.
[3/7/2015 2:58:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[3/7/2015 2:58:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: solas is a little shit
[3/7/2015 2:58:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: buti think with most things where he is concerned
[3/7/2015 2:59:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: we cannot take anything at face value
[3/7/2015 2:59:09 AM] Helig: True.
[3/7/2015 2:59:26 AM] Helig: But who the fuck knows. Maybe you are right.
[3/7/2015 2:59:29 AM] Helig: Maybe I am
[3/7/2015 2:59:36 AM] Helig: But what I know for sure is that
[3/7/2015 2:59:47 AM] Helig: DRAGONS ARE FUCKIN IMPORTANT
[3/7/2015 2:59:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: well yes
[3/7/2015 3:00:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: although how is a different question
[3/7/2015 3:00:14 AM] Helig: Blood of the world
[3/7/2015 3:00:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: they were clearly very culturally important to the elves
[3/7/2015 3:00:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: but exactly WHY is unknown
[3/7/2015 3:00:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: it is implied that those who were the 'gods’ or favored by the 'gods’ had the ability to shapeshift into dragons
[3/7/2015 3:00:53 AM] Helig: And to tevinter they are important too
[3/7/2015 3:01:08 AM] nadaselgar: Maybe because they’re tough as nails, huge, fly, and breathe fire.
[3/7/2015 3:01:14 AM] Helig: Too many correlated things including number of gods
[3/7/2015 3:01:23 AM] Helig: No because blood
[3/7/2015 3:01:26 AM] nadaselgar: idk but if I had to pick a living creature to worship, I’d go for the scariest mofo who could eat me.
[3/7/2015 3:01:33 AM] Helig: And their apparent relation to qunari
[3/7/2015 3:01:43 AM] Helig: And old gods
[3/7/2015 3:01:53 AM] nadaselgar: Also the scariest mofos who could eat me…. out.
[3/7/2015 3:01:56 AM] Helig: Were not JUST DRAGONS mind you
[3/7/2015 3:02:17 AM] Helig: points at archdemon what the fuck is that shit anyway
[3/7/2015 3:02:33 AM] nadaselgar: Ancient history?
[3/7/2015 3:02:44 AM] nadaselgar: >been there, done that, who ya think ya kid-
[3/7/2015 3:02:45 AM] nadaselgar: Ok.
[3/7/2015 3:02:48 AM] nadaselgar: I am too tired for this.
[3/7/2015 3:02:49 AM] Helig: And mythal says that she is but a fragment of a whole and has ability  to be in multiply places simultaneously
[3/7/2015 3:02:56 AM] nadaselgar: I’m turning into an ADHD toddler on crack
[3/7/2015 3:03:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: well there is more to dragons than just being the apex predator to end all apex predators
[3/7/2015 3:03:17 AM] nadaselgar: What if the Elven pantheon is just one god.
[3/7/2015 3:03:23 AM] nadaselgar: The maker.
[3/7/2015 3:03:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: as is implied in the dragon age comics
[3/7/2015 3:03:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: unlikely
[3/7/2015 3:03:38 AM] nadaselgar: Who is a fragment and can be in multiple places at once.
[3/7/2015 3:03:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: especially since Bioware has vehemntly stated they will never reveal whether the maker exists or not
[3/7/2015 3:04:34 AM] nadaselgar: Yes, but they wouldn’t be.
[3/7/2015 3:04:38 AM] nadaselgar: This is just speculation.
[3/7/2015 3:05:14 AM] nadaselgar: Although, very rude to tell us that the Elvhen gods exist/ed and not tell us about another religion.
[3/7/2015 3:05:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: well they stated they existed
[3/7/2015 3:05:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: but not in what form
[3/7/2015 3:05:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: or exactly what they were/are
[3/7/2015 3:09:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: I HAVE MADE A NEW FREND
[3/7/2015 3:11:22 AM] nadaselgar: Oh?
[3/7/2015 3:11:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: i like making new friends
[3/7/2015 3:12:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: especially when i don’t need ot leave the comfort of my introvert zone to do it
[3/7/2015 3:12:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: very true lol
[3/7/2015 3:12:54 AM] nadaselgar: Saaame
[3/7/2015 3:16:13 AM] nadaselgar: Anyhow… There’s a website where I can make an actual elvish font. It will make it way easier to memorize it, and would also help practice the language if we type in it a lot.
[3/7/2015 3:16:25 AM] nadaselgar: But I don’t want to make it until we’ve got all the kinks worked out
[3/7/2015 3:16:49 AM] nadaselgar: The biggest thing on that map is that it might not be two 5-symbol words.
[3/7/2015 3:17:18 AM] Helig: Bigby what did you decide with ogham tho
[3/7/2015 3:17:36 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm. I was looking at 10 letter single words too with no luck :/
[3/7/2015 3:17:46 AM] nadaselgar: Actually, I’m talking like 4-5 words.
[3/7/2015 3:17:55 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mm
[3/7/2015 3:17:55 AM] nadaselgar: There are symbols both abose and below the line.
[3/7/2015 3:17:59 AM] nadaselgar: **above
[3/7/2015 3:18:06 AM] nadaselgar: We don’t know what those symbols represent.
[3/7/2015 3:18:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: i still like the idea of an ogham
[3/7/2015 3:18:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i’m not sure
[3/7/2015 3:18:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i ned to head to bed
[3/7/2015 3:18:29 AM] nadaselgar: For my alphabet, I said one was our apostrophe, and that capital letters were at the front, like on the map.
[3/7/2015 3:18:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: i has work in the morning
[3/7/2015 3:18:46 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmkay. good night!
[3/7/2015 3:18:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight
[3/7/2015 3:18:56 AM] nadaselgar: But the symbol would be another letter, or it could be a space where the line is the whole sentence.
[3/7/2015 3:18:59 AM] nadaselgar: Nighty night.
[3/7/2015 3:19:07 AM] nadaselgar: I’ll probably be following you soon, though no work for me :D
[3/7/2015 3:19:45 AM] nadaselgar: OR the symbols above the line could be used to show subject vs adjective.
[3/7/2015 3:19:57 AM] nadaselgar: There’s a lot of things it could be that we just don’t even have.
[3/7/2015 3:20:36 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yeah. We’re pretty much blindly reaching at this point, haha. I admit, I haven’t heard of an orthography with subject/adjective markers in it but it would definitely be interesting if it did.
[3/7/2015 3:21:01 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Generally, the lines remind me of Hindi writing but I know nothing about it and the lines could just be parts of their letters that happen to string together
[3/7/2015 3:21:09 AM] nadaselgar: That’s the biggest problem though, we can’t assume this would follow ANY kinda of earthly thing.
[3/7/2015 3:21:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I know. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
[3/7/2015 3:21:27 AM] nadaselgar: Once upon a time, there were no apostrophes.
[3/7/2015 3:21:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Biowaaaaaare throw us another booooone
[3/7/2015 3:21:45 AM] nadaselgar: And then some lazy asshole was like,“FUCK IT -creates slidey dot-”
[3/7/2015 3:21:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahahaha! Right? xD
[3/7/2015 3:21:59 AM] nadaselgar: And boom, suddenly contractions could exist.
[3/7/2015 3:22:04 AM] nadaselgar: And we just got lazier from there.
[3/7/2015 3:22:06 AM] nadaselgar: But like.
[3/7/2015 3:22:07 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yep.
[3/7/2015 3:22:15 AM] nadaselgar: What if Elves, instead, were like.
[3/7/2015 3:22:37 AM] nadaselgar: “sentence structure is haaaarddddd, let’s just mark the two important bits and mash everything else is whatever order. That makes sense right??”
[3/7/2015 3:22:40 AM] nadaselgar: Like, WHO KNOW.
[3/7/2015 3:22:42 AM] nadaselgar: **knows
[3/7/2015 3:22:52 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Right? xD
[3/7/2015 3:23:07 AM] nadaselgar: Maybe elves were /really/ lazy, and those are two 5 word sentences.
[3/7/2015 3:23:17 AM] nadaselgar: Or, maybe they had more than 26 letters.
[3/7/2015 3:23:38 AM] nadaselgar: Those two words could be “Gahmn” and “Yuioio”
[3/7/2015 3:23:48 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: That would be pretty interesting those were straight up characters with whole words as meanings. xD
[3/7/2015 3:23:58 AM] nadaselgar: Because they have separate symbols for “Shuh” “Tion” “Sion” “Th” etc.
[3/7/2015 3:24:03 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[3/7/2015 3:24:18 AM] nadaselgar: Like, there’s language on earth that just have another letter for “th”
[3/7/2015 3:24:30 AM] nadaselgar: So, what if they just have letters for EVERYTHING.
[3/7/2015 3:24:30 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[3/7/2015 3:24:33 AM] nadaselgar: Or less letters.
[3/7/2015 3:24:47 AM] nadaselgar: They might not have a difference between z/s/c in some cases.
[3/7/2015 3:24:53 AM] nadaselgar: c and z can just not exist.
[3/7/2015 3:24:58 AM] nadaselgar: replaced by k and s.
[3/7/2015 3:25:00 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm
[3/7/2015 3:25:01 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/7/2015 3:25:06 AM] nadaselgar: So. Many. Possibilities.
[3/7/2015 3:25:08 AM] nadaselgar: BIOWARE.
[3/7/2015 3:25:10 AM] nadaselgar: THROW MANY BONES.
[3/7/2015 3:25:13 AM] nadaselgar: WE NEED MORE THAN ONE.
[3/7/2015 3:25:30 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahaha!
[3/7/2015 3:25:33 AM] nadaselgar: Don’t even get me started on the letter 'x’
[3/7/2015 3:25:55 AM] nadaselgar: Once, when I was like, 12, I was determined to create a better alphabet.
[3/7/2015 3:25:59 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: So far, from my studies of Elvish phonemes, /s/ is the only one of those mentioned that exist lol
[3/7/2015 3:26:00 AM] nadaselgar: Where spelling made sense.
[3/7/2015 3:26:04 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yeah?
[3/7/2015 3:26:14 AM] nadaselgar: So I pulled out a dictionary and started making new symbols for eery single symbol in there.
[3/7/2015 3:26:28 AM] nadaselgar: Like the ymbols for long a vs short a, etc.
[3/7/2015 3:26:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[3/7/2015 3:26:41 AM] nadaselgar: I was trying to make an alphabet where there were no silent e’s.
[3/7/2015 3:26:44 AM] nadaselgar: Annnnd I gave up.
[3/7/2015 3:26:47 AM] nadaselgar: Because I was 12.
[3/7/2015 3:26:49 AM] nadaselgar: And fuck that noise.
[3/7/2015 3:26:49 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: haha!
[3/7/2015 3:26:55 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Indeed xD
[3/7/2015 3:27:02 AM] nadaselgar: I wouldn’t even finish it NOW.
[3/7/2015 3:27:08 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I wouldn’t want to either lol
[3/7/2015 3:27:22 AM] nadaselgar: Not unless I was like… being paid by the president to improve the writing taught in the school system.
[3/7/2015 3:27:31 AM] nadaselgar: Then I might be willing to fuck up the entire planet’s next generation.
[3/7/2015 3:27:36 AM] nadaselgar: But the paid had better be amazing.
[3/7/2015 3:27:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol
[3/7/2015 3:28:40 AM] nadaselgar: Yeah, of all the things I Want to fix with the public school system, that’s not one of them.
[3/7/2015 3:29:09 AM] nadaselgar: As it stand, Homeschool.
[3/7/2015 3:29:10 AM] nadaselgar: XD
[3/7/2015 3:29:12 AM] nadaselgar: *stands
[3/7/2015 3:29:24 AM] nadaselgar: Stupid fingers can’t type as fast as I think, so they skip letters… a lot.
[3/7/2015 3:29:26 AM] nadaselgar: So ignore those.
[3/7/2015 3:29:27 AM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/7/2015 3:29:48 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahaha, it’s all good xD
[3/7/2015 3:30:56 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I work at a school so trust me, I question things that can be fixed with it everyday lol
[3/7/2015 3:31:11 AM] nadaselgar: In my case, I was more fucked over by the school.
[3/7/2015 3:31:11 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Given I work at a charter school so it’s slightly different but still
[3/7/2015 3:31:14 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug-
[3/7/2015 3:31:16 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Ah yeah?
[3/7/2015 3:31:21 AM] nadaselgar: Charters can be worse.
[3/7/2015 3:31:23 AM] nadaselgar: It varies.
[3/7/2015 3:31:27 AM] nadaselgar: But yeah.
[3/7/2015 3:31:28 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yeah it really depends.
[3/7/2015 3:31:29 AM] nadaselgar: I was gifted.
[3/7/2015 3:31:40 AM] nadaselgar: Which they seem to think = More work
[3/7/2015 3:31:42 AM] nadaselgar: Like no.
[3/7/2015 3:31:44 AM] nadaselgar: Stop.
[3/7/2015 3:31:50 AM] nadaselgar: Busy work is not helpful to a gifted child.
[3/7/2015 3:31:58 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm, I feel you there.
[3/7/2015 3:32:00 AM] nadaselgar: In order for a gifted child to do well, they need a challenge.
[3/7/2015 3:32:15 AM] nadaselgar: And if you do not provide that challenge then they learn that all they have to do is busy work to succeed.
[3/7/2015 3:32:48 AM] nadaselgar: The public school system is not trying to raise a generation who will heal cancer, it’s designed to raise sheep for the engines of society.
[3/7/2015 3:32:59 AM] nadaselgar: Because, in all honestly, that’s what most people end up being.
[3/7/2015 3:33:03 AM] nadaselgar: Cogs in the machine.
[3/7/2015 3:33:06 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: True.
[3/7/2015 3:33:28 AM] nadaselgar: But, when you can give a child a challenge, and encourage them to make the machine more efficient, all the cogs benefit.
[3/7/2015 3:33:29 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/7/2015 3:33:37 AM] nadaselgar: School is the biggest investment on the planet.
[3/7/2015 3:33:48 AM] nadaselgar: So, it’s kinda stupid to take gifted kids, and NOT challenge then.
[3/7/2015 3:33:50 AM] nadaselgar: **them.
[3/7/2015 3:34:15 AM] nadaselgar: School teaches kids to memorize and regurgitate, not how to think critically, learn on their OWN, or even taken effective notes.
[3/7/2015 3:34:41 AM] nadaselgar: And that’s just primary school I’m talking about.
[3/7/2015 3:34:59 AM] nadaselgar: High school needs to have at least half the day spent on practical skills, in my opinion.
[3/7/2015 3:35:03 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yeah. That’s why I prefer charters, though as you said, charters can really vary. The chaotic thing about them is that even in one charter school system, the “nature” of education differs between centers and even teachers.
[3/7/2015 3:35:10 AM] nadaselgar: -nods-
[3/7/2015 3:35:19 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I’ve argued with past teachers of mine about more practical skills too, even just offering workshops.
[3/7/2015 3:35:24 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: But they’re convinced the kids won’t take them.
[3/7/2015 3:35:29 AM] nadaselgar: I already know that if I can’t find a charter/private school I agree with, I’m gonna be doing homeschool.
[3/7/2015 3:35:29 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Because they won’t see the practicality in them.
[3/7/2015 3:35:38 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm.
[3/7/2015 3:35:42 AM] nadaselgar: Then you tell kids what makes it practical.
[3/7/2015 3:35:48 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Exactly.
[3/7/2015 3:36:00 AM] nadaselgar: “Learn cursive because the high school teachers will MAKE YOU.”
[3/7/2015 3:36:05 AM] nadaselgar: Uh… great, but why?
[3/7/2015 3:36:21 AM] nadaselgar: Actually, cursive, once you’re adept at it, is MUCH faster than print.
[3/7/2015 3:36:26 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm.
[3/7/2015 3:36:33 AM] nadaselgar: My hand writing tends to be a weird mix of both, because it FLOWS.
[3/7/2015 3:36:37 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Not all those tiny fractions of a second spent going letter to letter.
[3/7/2015 3:36:50 AM] nadaselgar: Of course, if you don’t tell kids that, then they have no motivation to learn it.
[3/7/2015 3:37:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Always found it interesting that one of the teachers I used to aide for would basically just hand cursive sheets to her students and laugh it off whenever she would mention “Oh yeah, we just use these for signatures now, don’t we?”
[3/7/2015 3:37:43 AM] nadaselgar: When I was a kid, math was my worst subject, but I stuck it out right up until they started teaching me pointless stuff.
[3/7/2015 3:37:54 AM] nadaselgar: I had to motivate myself with REAL LIFE examples for things.
[3/7/2015 3:37:58 AM] nadaselgar: Because the teachers never did.
[3/7/2015 3:38:11 AM] nadaselgar: Like, All math up until Geometry is useful.
[3/7/2015 3:38:31 AM] nadaselgar: Math in Algebra is kinda important to figuring out the funding you’ll need for roadtrips and the like.
[3/7/2015 3:39:01 AM] nadaselgar: Geometry is needed for more person stuff, like is this new car gonna fit in my garage, what’s the area of the room I wanna carpet, etc.
[3/7/2015 3:39:04 AM] nadaselgar: Algebra 2?
[3/7/2015 3:39:09 AM] nadaselgar: The only use is Stocks.
[3/7/2015 3:39:25 AM] nadaselgar: And bitch, if I have the money for the stock market, I have the money to hire someone else to do that shit for me.
[3/7/2015 3:39:36 AM] nadaselgar: So, I pretty much boycotted Algebra 2.
[3/7/2015 3:39:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm, I wish teachers would use more real life examples in their teaching.
[3/7/2015 3:39:52 AM] nadaselgar: I’m planning on going into teaching.
[3/7/2015 3:39:55 AM] nadaselgar: Elementary school.
[3/7/2015 3:40:00 AM] nadaselgar: But not just these subjects we have.
[3/7/2015 3:40:09 AM] nadaselgar: There are things that are just NOT TAUGHT.
[3/7/2015 3:40:15 AM] nadaselgar: Like, the laws of the place you live.
[3/7/2015 3:40:21 AM] nadaselgar: They don’t have a class on law.
[3/7/2015 3:40:21 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I aide for high school special ed students too so it’s even more difficult for them to see the point of all the equations and shapes on the page.
[3/7/2015 3:40:31 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: I want to go into teaching too, or some aspect of education.
[3/7/2015 3:40:32 AM] nadaselgar: Oh, poor kids.
[3/7/2015 3:40:36 AM] nadaselgar: I love kids.
[3/7/2015 3:40:48 AM] nadaselgar: And I understand the important of knowledge.
[3/7/2015 3:41:02 AM] nadaselgar: But with kids, motivation has to have fun too, or they get fidgety.
[3/7/2015 3:41:11 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Exactly.
[3/7/2015 3:41:14 AM] nadaselgar: And when children start fidgeting, nothing is going into those little brain spongues.
[3/7/2015 3:41:23 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm.
[3/7/2015 3:41:24 AM] nadaselgar: No matter how important.
[3/7/2015 3:41:26 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/7/2015 3:41:37 AM] nadaselgar: Obviously, whoever designed public school was not good with kids.
[3/7/2015 3:41:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Nothing makes me smile like when the kids get excited about an activity or something they just learned or a concept they just understood, like “Let’s do an activity like this again!” or “Whoa, really?!”
[3/7/2015 3:42:11 AM] nadaselgar: But I also think there should be survivalist classes, recognizing poisonous plants and animals, how to build/find shelter, basic first aide, etc.
[3/7/2015 3:42:20 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm.
[3/7/2015 3:42:22 AM] nadaselgar: As well, high schoolers need to be learning about taxes.
[3/7/2015 3:42:27 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yessssss.
[3/7/2015 3:42:34 AM] nadaselgar: Like I am 20 years old and I still need my parents help for taxes.
[3/7/2015 3:42:42 AM] nadaselgar: They did NOT teach me how to write a resume.
[3/7/2015 3:42:45 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Same, trust me. And I’m almost 24 -____-’
[3/7/2015 3:43:10 AM] nadaselgar: And this is why I will probably have to find a way to homeschool any children I have.
[3/7/2015 3:43:20 AM] nadaselgar: Because I could do it better than the school system.
[3/7/2015 3:43:28 AM] nadaselgar: +points if I actually have a teaching degree by then.
[3/7/2015 3:43:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahaha
[3/7/2015 3:43:39 AM] nadaselgar: I doubt I will.
[3/7/2015 3:43:45 AM] nadaselgar: I’m bad at school.
[3/7/2015 3:45:15 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Eh, you’ll make it happen somehow, someday.
[3/7/2015 3:45:26 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug-
[3/7/2015 3:45:50 AM] nadaselgar: Probably not, to be honest.
[3/7/2015 3:46:37 AM] nadaselgar: For the same reason that I would have a lot of issues teaching.
[3/7/2015 3:47:34 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mm. Well either way, you got motivation. I always think it’s admirable to try homeschooling. It can take a lot out of your time, especially if you’re not working with an education specialist. But if you find something that works, it can do wonders.
[3/7/2015 3:48:30 AM] nadaselgar: Well, since like, my dream ideal magical land wants that will never happen include a cabin in the woods far away from people…. xDD
[3/7/2015 3:48:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Haha! xD
[3/7/2015 3:49:00 AM] nadaselgar: Though, Southern New Hampshire Uni has a lot of online classes.
[3/7/2015 3:49:14 AM] nadaselgar: The problem is that even for generals, the requirements vary state to state.
[3/7/2015 3:49:36 AM] nadaselgar: So SNHU’s general eds may end up getting transferred into elective credit at a college in Utah.
[3/7/2015 3:49:40 AM] nadaselgar: And that’s just not fun
[3/7/2015 3:50:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmmm, I see. Well if you find a way to work around that, it may work for you, though. My best friend swears by online classes. It just works well for the way she works and learns.
[3/7/2015 3:50:54 AM] nadaselgar: The last time I did an online class, it was math, and I… did not do well.
[3/7/2015 3:51:01 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Ahhh :/
[3/7/2015 3:51:02 AM] nadaselgar: So… really, I’m just… bad at school.
[3/7/2015 3:52:02 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmm. :/
[3/7/2015 3:52:29 AM] nadaselgar: -shrug- There’s lots of things you can do that don’t need an education.
[3/7/2015 3:52:37 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmhmm, definitely.
[3/7/2015 3:53:31 AM] nadaselgar:
Anyway, it’s sleep time.
[3/7/2015 3:53:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: My cousin never obtained any kind of college education and he’s been doing great working his way up in the water district.
[3/7/2015 3:53:40 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Mmkay.
[3/7/2015 3:53:46 AM] nadaselgar: Water district?
[3/7/2015 3:53:49 AM] nadaselgar: Eh, tell me tomorrow.
[3/7/2015 3:53:52 AM] nadaselgar: Nighty night :D
[3/7/2015 3:53:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Hahahaha mmkay.
[3/7/2015 3:54:00 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: G'night! Nice meeting/talking with you :)
[3/7/2015 3:54:09 AM] nadaselgar: Same! Same c:
[3/10/2015 6:10:58 AM] Helig: Do you want me to rant at you about how vowels soften consonants in russian
[3/10/2015 12:00:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: haha. You can rant at me, helig :P
[3/10/2015 6:37:49 PM] nadaselgar: I’d be interested to hear about it, angry rant or no angry rant.
[3/11/2015 1:11:24 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to sing leliana’s song in the arlathan dialect because the way she says vhenan BOTHERS ME NOW and also abelas
[3/11/2015 3:19:39 PM] nadaselgar: It’s ok. It bothers me too. Lol
[3/11/2015 3:20:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sighs
[3/11/2015 4:34:37 PM] nadaselgar: You know what bothers me?
[3/11/2015 4:34:45 PM] nadaselgar: The fact that Solas is so easy to understand.
[3/11/2015 4:34:51 PM] nadaselgar: And that he sounds Dalish.
[3/11/2015 4:35:13 PM] nadaselgar: Like, it’s been over 2000 since Arlathan fell or whatever, language evolves, WHY HE SOUND SO MODERN
[3/11/2015 4:35:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I personally headcanon away the Dalish accent
[3/11/2015 4:35:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Make them sound like wherever they live
[3/11/2015 4:35:47 PM] nadaselgar: It doesn’t make sense to me either.
[3/11/2015 4:35:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And have that accent be Elvhen.
[3/11/2015 4:36:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Since Solas’ Elvhen pronunciation is ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS.
[3/11/2015 4:36:31 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I get that the Dalish keep to themselves, so they don’t sound like the human cities, but in that case they ALSO wouldn’t sound like each other, because the clans don’t hang out too much.
[3/11/2015 4:36:49 PM] nadaselgar: Solas is the one who does it right. Solas is supreme master of Elvhen.
[3/11/2015 4:36:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): YEP
[3/11/2015 4:37:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yes he is
[3/11/2015 4:37:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Master of Elvhen
[3/11/2015 4:37:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I love how he says Abelas
[3/11/2015 4:37:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): i’m like say it again
[3/11/2015 4:37:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and dareth shiral
[3/11/2015 4:37:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): man oh man
[3/11/2015 4:37:26 PM] nadaselgar: I love how he says /everything/
[3/11/2015 4:37:27 PM] nadaselgar: XD
[3/11/2015 4:37:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Same. But I run a blog dedicated to him oops
[3/11/2015 4:37:41 PM] nadaselgar: Also I turned my ringer off for work today, and I somehow missed a call to myself??
[3/11/2015 4:37:45 PM] nadaselgar: How even?
[3/11/2015 4:37:56 PM] nadaselgar: I run a Solavellan blog, but it’s more dedicated to my Quizzie.
[3/11/2015 4:38:04 PM] nadaselgar: And then I run an Anders blog.
[3/11/2015 4:38:10 PM] nadaselgar: Because I am literal Anders trash.
[3/11/2015 4:38:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I am literal Solas trash.
[3/11/2015 4:38:28 PM] nadaselgar: I don’t want to fuck Anders though.
[3/11/2015 4:38:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): he could blow up 10000 chantries and I would love him
[3/11/2015 4:38:37 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I want to be Anders. XD
[3/11/2015 4:38:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I am Solas.
[3/11/2015 4:38:45 PM] nadaselgar: I adore him too though, but meh.
[3/11/2015 4:38:58 PM] nadaselgar: Well, you’ve gotta wanna fuck yourself, right?
[3/11/2015 4:39:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA HA.
[3/11/2015 4:39:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Why does everyone think Solas would fuck himself.
[3/11/2015 4:39:19 PM] nadaselgar: I never said he would.
[3/11/2015 4:39:22 PM] nadaselgar: Tbh, he wouldn’t.
[3/11/2015 4:39:26 PM] nadaselgar: He’d go in the fade.
[3/11/2015 4:39:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t actually want to sleep with Solas
[3/11/2015 4:39:35 PM] nadaselgar: He has spirit friends…. very close ones.
[3/11/2015 4:39:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My blog is dedicated to him in a
[3/11/2015 4:39:50 PM | Edited 4:40:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “this character is fantastic let me psychoanalyze him” way
[3/11/2015 4:39:56 PM] nadaselgar: That’s me and Anders.
[3/11/2015 4:40:02 PM] nadaselgar: I also RP as Anders, so, there’s that.
[3/11/2015 4:40:16 PM] nadaselgar: With Solas, I’m like… “God, talk more, talk to me in elvhen.”
[3/11/2015 4:40:35 PM] nadaselgar: Tbh, I’d be out of breath without taking my clothes off as far as Solas is concerned.
[3/11/2015 4:41:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I love everything about him but I have too much in common with him to be sexually attracted to him.
[3/11/2015 4:41:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Not like
[3/11/2015 4:41:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): physically
[3/11/2015 4:41:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And I RP as Solas.
[3/11/2015 4:41:55 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Though I haven’t been on my blog in awhile.
[3/11/2015 4:42:27 PM] nadaselgar: Any reason why?
[3/11/2015 4:42:38 PM] nadaselgar: Though, I’ve found that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of RP that goes on.
[3/11/2015 4:42:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m a prelaw student. As you can imagine, I’m busy.
[3/11/2015 4:42:55 PM] nadaselgar: Ah, yeah, nough said.
[3/11/2015 4:43:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. And I have PTSD.
[3/11/2015 4:43:09 PM] nadaselgar: Oh. :c
[3/11/2015 4:43:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. It makes it difficult sometimes with dash drama.
[3/11/2015 4:43:24 PM] nadaselgar: I know how you feel.
[3/11/2015 4:43:34 PM] nadaselgar: There’s been a couple times my dash has given me issues.
[3/11/2015 4:43:50 PM | Edited 4:44:40 PM] nadaselgar: I’ve had to blacklist the word 'cis’, just because I can’t stand the negativity.
[3/11/2015 4:44:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ah.
[3/11/2015 4:44:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/11/2015 4:44:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m trans and I can’t stand the negativity.
[3/11/2015 4:45:15 PM] nadaselgar: I’m… meh.
[3/11/2015 4:45:30 PM] nadaselgar: I love girly stuff, but at the same time, sometimes I just wish I were male.
[3/11/2015 4:45:34 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I flip flop.
[3/11/2015 4:45:51 PM] nadaselgar: I wore a binder once, and it just… it felt so incredible, I don’t even know.
[3/11/2015 4:45:58 PM] nadaselgar: I just say “Mostly Female”
[3/11/2015 4:46:04 PM] nadaselgar: But the one time I cosplayed a male.
[3/11/2015 4:46:10 PM] nadaselgar: Just make me hella more confused.
[3/11/2015 4:46:22 PM] nadaselgar: So I’m just like, eh. Fuck Genders, I’m me.
[3/11/2015 4:46:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That is a very admirable way to look at it.
[3/11/2015 4:46:39 PM] nadaselgar: I tend to be against a lot of labels though.
[3/11/2015 4:46:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): As am I.
[3/11/2015 4:46:45 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I’m pansexual to boot.
[3/11/2015 4:46:55 PM] nadaselgar: So I’m like,“… idec. Like I /really/ don’t.”
[3/11/2015 4:47:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Label encourage black and white thinking which I really am not a fan of because it stigmatizes entire groups.
[3/11/2015 4:47:06 PM] nadaselgar: Either I like you or I don’t, literally nothing else matters much.
[3/11/2015 4:47:08 PM] nadaselgar: Same.
[3/11/2015 4:47:24 PM] nadaselgar: People are not designed to fit neat and nice into perfect groups.
[3/11/2015 4:47:40 PM] nadaselgar: There’s no perfect man, or perfect woman, or perfect white person, or black person, etc.
[3/11/2015 4:47:41 PM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/11/2015 4:47:44 PM] nadaselgar: We’re just people.
[3/11/2015 4:47:55 PM] nadaselgar: Just treat everyone nice, Jesus Christ is that so hard?
[3/11/2015 4:48:14 PM] nadaselgar: Oh, you’re not sure if they fit into one perfect gender grouping or the other? USE THEY.
[3/11/2015 4:49:14 PM | Edited 4:49:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Apparently it is. Because people want to fit things into boxes to make them easier to understand and it gives them an excuse to stereotype.
[3/11/2015 4:50:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): People will do almost anything to justify their thinking, even if it doesn’t make any sense, even if the evidence contradicts them.
[3/11/2015 4:50:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They do things because it’s convenient and easy, and accepting that reality is nuanced is more difficult than boxing people into categories.
[3/11/2015 4:50:53 PM] nadaselgar: -shrug- I know what you mean. My parents are strict Mormons.
[3/11/2015 4:51:00 PM] nadaselgar: So I was raised with a LOT of gendered teaching.
[3/11/2015 4:51:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My parents are strict fundamentalist Christians.
[3/11/2015 4:51:51 PM] nadaselgar: My parents aren’t super bad, like, they’re getting to be more accepting of some of my choices, but like, there’s some times I just wanna yell at them.
[3/11/2015 4:52:17 PM] nadaselgar: I got in an argument with my mom once because I mentioned that some people will get pink/tan tattoos for their areolas.
[3/11/2015 4:52:36 PM] nadaselgar: And she went off about how the only one who sees that is your partner, and they won’t care, so only sluts would get those kind of tattoos.
[3/11/2015 4:52:40 PM] nadaselgar: And I’m like,“…. No.”
[3/11/2015 4:52:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well then.
[3/11/2015 4:52:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s.
[3/11/2015 4:52:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/11/2015 4:52:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s a personal choice.
[3/11/2015 4:53:27 PM] nadaselgar: I even pointed out that she wants liposuction when I think she looks fine, but SHE is self conscious.
[3/11/2015 4:53:38 PM] nadaselgar: And said that’s how some people feel with that.
[3/11/2015 4:53:43 PM] nadaselgar: And she still argued.
[3/11/2015 4:53:46 PM] nadaselgar: And I was just so done.
[3/11/2015 4:54:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My parents are SUPER RIGHT WING.
[3/11/2015 4:54:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ha ha ha.
[3/11/2015 4:54:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m living at home and am not out because it would be dangerous for me to be out.
[3/11/2015 4:55:29 PM] nadaselgar: I’m at home too.
[3/11/2015 4:55:35 PM] nadaselgar: I’m more just… I have no need to be out.
[3/11/2015 4:55:39 PM] nadaselgar: It’d just cause contention.
[3/11/2015 4:55:56 PM] nadaselgar: But my parents wouldn’t kick me out, they’d just… improve their efforts to get me back in the church.
[3/11/2015 4:56:05 PM] nadaselgar: I’m really lucky as far as that goes, to be honest.
[3/11/2015 4:56:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’d probably get kicked out.
[3/11/2015 4:56:44 PM] nadaselgar: Though, I tend to lean more toward women as far as relationships go due to my own PTSD, I can appear straight, so I’m lucky.
[3/11/2015 4:57:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I… am hesitant to be in any relationship – platonic or romantic – because of my PTSD.
[3/11/2015 4:57:23 PM] nadaselgar: Well, I have my own of that, but men in general just… can trigger me.
[3/11/2015 4:57:47 PM] nadaselgar: Perhaps it’s better to say masculine people.
[3/11/2015 4:58:02 PM] nadaselgar: Because it has more to do with voice, stature, and attitude than actual gender.
[3/11/2015 4:58:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh. Yeah. For me it’s women – specifically really bubbly women.
[3/11/2015 4:58:16 PM] nadaselgar: Well, I’m sorry, I would REALLY fuck you up.
[3/11/2015 4:58:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Really bubbly, pushy people in general.
[3/11/2015 4:58:21 PM] nadaselgar: I’m not pushy. D:
[3/11/2015 4:58:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA no over text.
[3/11/2015 4:58:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Not in person.
[3/11/2015 4:58:24 PM] nadaselgar: I’m just… happy.
[3/11/2015 4:58:29 PM] nadaselgar: I meant in person.
[3/11/2015 4:58:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s hard to explain.
[3/11/2015 4:58:50 PM] nadaselgar: I think I know what you mean.
[3/11/2015 4:59:06 PM] nadaselgar: So bubbly they seem to force it to make you think they like you when they really don’t?
[3/11/2015 4:59:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. People who force their.. idk bubblieness on other people.
[3/11/2015 4:59:18 PM] nadaselgar: I live in Utah.
[3/11/2015 4:59:27 PM] nadaselgar: That’s literally all women here from 12-40ish.
[3/11/2015 4:59:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I live in Wisconsin.
[3/11/2015 4:59:34 PM] nadaselgar: Who’re Mormon.
[3/11/2015 4:59:49 PM] nadaselgar: The non-Mormon women are a bit better, but I totally know how you mean.
[3/11/2015 4:59:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh man. Yeah.
[3/11/2015 5:00:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I would die. I’d be angry and sullen all the time there.
[3/11/2015 5:00:24 PM] nadaselgar: It bothers me more because I have social anxiety, so it’s fucked with me since I was in elementary school.
[3/11/2015 5:00:53 PM] nadaselgar: I used to LITERALLY think,“Am I mentally ill and just don’t even realize it, is that why they act like that? What are they saying about me when I’m not around??”
[3/11/2015 5:00:59 PM] nadaselgar: Like really bad.
[3/11/2015 5:01:27 PM] nadaselgar: My biggest fear is that I’m like, actually mentally ill and hallucinating EVERYTHING.
[3/11/2015 5:01:43 PM] nadaselgar: Like, that I’m not REALLY fat, that I’m actually skinny and I just have a fucked up brain and that shit.
[3/11/2015 5:01:49 PM] nadaselgar: Like. It’s a big deal for me.
[3/11/2015 5:02:03 PM] nadaselgar: Those “You’ve been in a coma, wake up please.” Posts that go around tumblr are the fucking worst.
[3/11/2015 5:02:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh god. I have really bad dysphoria because of the way other people see me and my mind is really… strange anyway.
[3/11/2015 5:02:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m constantly paranoid that everyone is judging me.
[3/11/2015 5:03:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My biggest fear is dying in complete isolation, though. That everyone is faking liking me.
[3/11/2015 5:03:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like I can’t read The Christmas Carol because the part with the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come freaks me out so much that I start shaking.
[3/11/2015 5:04:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m super worried that everything I say is going to be judged and that people actually hate me.
[3/11/2015 5:04:56 PM] nadaselgar: Yup.
[3/11/2015 5:05:03 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I’ve had things like that since I Was 4.
[3/11/2015 5:05:31 PM] nadaselgar: ILLOGICAL STUFF. When I was in preschool I remember wondering if I was the only person who ACTUALLY had to pee and poop and no one else did and it was just some big conspiracy.
[3/11/2015 5:05:47 PM] nadaselgar: And like, seriously.
[3/11/2015 5:06:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I had existential crises at 4.
[3/11/2015 5:06:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I would think about being older and the passage of time and have panic attacks because of it.
[3/11/2015 5:07:18 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah, the brain is fucked.
[3/11/2015 5:07:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I DID actually spend most of my youth alone because people didn’t like me.
[3/11/2015 5:07:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They probably didn’t like me because I was a weird know it all.
[3/11/2015 5:08:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And now that i’m older and can get along with people I have no social skills or graces and just kind of fumble around with things most people learned when they were 7.
[3/11/2015 5:08:20 PM] nadaselgar: I was bullied, but I was also an Army Brat.
[3/11/2015 5:08:43 PM] nadaselgar: So I developed social skills enough to make friendly aquaintances.
[3/11/2015 5:08:44 PM] nadaselgar: But like.
[3/11/2015 5:08:53 PM] nadaselgar: People who’re my REAL friends.
[3/11/2015 5:08:57 PM] nadaselgar: I can count on one hand.
[3/11/2015 5:09:04 PM] nadaselgar: And half of those are online-only friends.
[3/11/2015 5:09:14 PM] nadaselgar: Also, I’m wearing a skirt, and sitting indian style.
[3/11/2015 5:09:23 PM] nadaselgar: And my kitten just climbed under my skirt and cured up to sleep.
[3/11/2015 5:09:26 PM] nadaselgar: I-… Okay.
[3/11/2015 5:09:30 PM] nadaselgar: **curled
[3/11/2015 5:10:06 PM] nadaselgar: I’m more glad though, because she’s been crawling around rubbing on EVERYTHING and I’ve been petting her but she’s been too restless to SLEEP.
[3/11/2015 5:10:14 PM] nadaselgar: So I’m like,“FINALLY, FINE, STAY THERE JUST SLEEP DAMN IT.”
[3/11/2015 5:10:31 PM] nadaselgar: Is this how parents feel when they find the two year old asleep in the empty bathtub?
[3/11/2015 5:10:37 PM] nadaselgar: Like, fine, sleep in the tub, just SLEEP.
[3/11/2015 5:12:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ha ha ha ha!
[3/11/2015 5:12:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It might be.
[3/11/2015 5:12:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I can count the people I trust on one hand.
[3/11/2015 5:12:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I have major trust issues. My trust has been so irreparably damaged.
[3/11/2015 5:13:11 PM] nadaselgar: I don’t trust some of my friends.
[3/11/2015 5:13:18 PM] nadaselgar: tbh, trust is…. uhm… one person?
[3/11/2015 5:13:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I also to be way more aggressive than I am now, to the point that I was told I was an extrovert when I was a child. Which imo was actually damaging to me personally because I tried to fit into a mold that doesn’t fit me.
[3/11/2015 5:13:23 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah, I think one person.
[3/11/2015 5:13:31 PM] nadaselgar: She fell asleep.
[3/11/2015 5:13:35 PM] nadaselgar: And my leg is numb.
[3/11/2015 5:13:36 PM] nadaselgar: Fuck.
[3/11/2015 5:14:13 PM] nadaselgar: I woke her up.
[3/11/2015 5:14:19 PM] nadaselgar: Please please please lay down. pleade.
[3/11/2015 5:14:20 PM] nadaselgar: please
[3/11/2015 5:14:26 PM] nadaselgar: OH TANK GOD SHE DID.
[3/11/2015 5:14:33 PM] nadaselgar: -covers her with a blanket-
[3/11/2015 5:14:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :)
[3/11/2015 5:15:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s why I always laugh at people who tell me Solas can’t REALLY be introverted because he used to be cocksure and get in fights.
[3/11/2015 5:15:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m like “you’ve never met me”.
[3/11/2015 5:15:22 PM] nadaselgar: ^
[3/11/2015 5:15:32 PM] nadaselgar: People are always surprised to find out I’m REAAAALY introverted.
[3/11/2015 5:15:41 PM] nadaselgar: Like I cannot work a customer service job at ALL.
[3/11/2015 5:15:59 PM] nadaselgar: Because after 3 hours, I start just… regressing into a lost 5 year old.
[3/11/2015 5:16:22 PM] nadaselgar: But I’m really friendly and charismatic, and bubbly and stuff.
[3/11/2015 5:16:33 PM] nadaselgar: Because I’m… just a nice person.
[3/11/2015 5:16:40 PM] nadaselgar: But like, I have batteries, and people drain them.
[3/11/2015 5:16:48 PM] nadaselgar: Whereas an extrovert needs people to CHARGE the batteries.
[3/11/2015 5:17:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I always explain that Solas likes quiet places in canon and regresses to get more energy but they’re like no he’s obviously an ENTJ or whatever because he used to be cokcy.
[3/11/2015 5:17:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And I just.
[3/11/2015 5:17:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ???
[3/11/2015 5:18:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m super introverted.
[3/11/2015 5:18:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it takes everything in me to work my cashier job.
[3/11/2015 5:18:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But when I was younger I liked to pick fights over really stupid things and was confident bordering on arrogant.
[3/11/2015 5:19:30 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah, I know I got placed as cashier.
[3/11/2015 5:19:38 PM] nadaselgar: And for 2 months they wouldn’t change my job.
[3/11/2015 5:19:42 PM] nadaselgar: Because I was good at it.
[3/11/2015 5:23:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m very good at my job, I just wish I were a stocker.
[3/11/2015 5:23:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Fewer people.
[3/11/2015 5:28:07 PM] nadaselgar: -nods-
[3/11/2015 7:17:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: in terms of extroversion
[3/11/2015 7:17:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: introversioni mean
[3/11/2015 7:17:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: i know exactly what you mean
[3/11/2015 7:17:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i work retail/customer service
[3/11/2015 7:17:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m a huge introvert
[3/11/2015 7:17:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i get home everyday completely drained
[3/11/2015 7:18:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have to shut myself away from the world to recharge
[3/11/2015 7:18:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: and i hate it
[3/11/2015 7:18:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: because i feel like i can’t do anything
[3/11/2015 7:18:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah I know what you mean
[3/11/2015 7:18:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it sucks
[3/11/2015 7:19:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: also in terms of the accents of elves and how solas talks that you were speaking of earlier
[3/11/2015 7:19:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s one of the reasons I’m working on dialects and topolects
[3/11/2015 7:19:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: also the fact that Solas doens’t have trouble with talking with articles kind of annoys me
[3/11/2015 7:19:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: since elvhen as far as I’ve seen
[3/11/2015 7:19:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: doesn’t have articles
[3/11/2015 7:19:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: i thought it did at first
[3/11/2015 7:19:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: at first i thought A might be an article
[3/11/2015 7:19:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it’s noe
[3/11/2015 7:19:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: not*
[3/11/2015 7:19:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: rather the articles are implied, similar to latin
[3/11/2015 7:20:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: and whenever solas was awake earlier
[3/11/2015 7:20:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: humans would not have spoken english/fereldan
[3/11/2015 7:20:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean you can handwave it
[3/11/2015 7:20:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: 'he learned it in the fade’
[3/11/2015 7:20:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i don’t know
[3/11/2015 7:20:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think they missed a huge oppurtunity
[3/11/2015 7:20:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah
[3/11/2015 7:20:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I agree.
[3/11/2015 7:21:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My Solas actually has trouble with Trade sometimes.
[3/11/2015 7:21:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ha ha ha.
[3/11/2015 7:21:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He’s like shit I forgot a word didn’t i
[3/11/2015 7:21:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean the way it’s portrayed
[3/11/2015 7:22:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: whether it’s intentional or not
[3/11/2015 7:22:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: inquisition is not the inquisitor’s story
[3/11/2015 7:22:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s Solas’s story
[3/11/2015 7:22:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: not that might not be intentional
[3/11/2015 7:22:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: it might just be the way it was presented mixed with how i interpreted
[3/11/2015 7:22:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): IT IS SOLAS’ STORY
[3/11/2015 7:22:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it’s
[3/11/2015 7:22:55 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it is
[3/11/2015 7:22:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ha ha ha oh man
[3/11/2015 7:23:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: and one of the reasons i say that
[3/11/2015 7:23:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I was REALLY disappointed at how much of a background character he is if you don’t romance him because he’s actually
[3/11/2015 7:23:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): uh
[3/11/2015 7:23:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): central to the plot
[3/11/2015 7:23:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[3/11/2015 7:23:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): like he has less dialogue than varric i’m like what
[3/11/2015 7:23:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: plus another thing thta annoys me greatly
[3/11/2015 7:23:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: is dalish inquisitors not understanding elvhen
[3/11/2015 7:24:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: the subtitles should have been translated for dalish inquisitors
[3/11/2015 7:24:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): omg
[3/11/2015 7:24:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): LIKE THEY ARE IN
[3/11/2015 7:24:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): SOLAS’ SCENE
[3/11/2015 7:24:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: also whichever writer thought it was a good idea
[3/11/2015 7:24:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: to basically make every interaction you have as a dalish elf
[3/11/2015 7:24:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically be “poor little dalish who doesn’t know her/his own culture”
[3/11/2015 7:24:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: should be punched in face
[3/11/2015 7:24:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): T hAT annoyed me so much.
[3/11/2015 7:25:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I hate the scenes with Morrigan.
[3/11/2015 7:25:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HATE THEM
[3/11/2015 7:25:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like they’re fine as every race but elf
[3/11/2015 7:25:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: the scenes with morrigan only make sense
[3/11/2015 7:25:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I just get so mad at her as an Elf
[3/11/2015 7:25:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: if
[3/11/2015 7:25:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: A. you had the warden romance her
[3/11/2015 7:25:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: B. the warden went through the eluvian with her
[3/11/2015 7:25:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: C. the warden was dalish
[3/11/2015 7:25:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: otherwise it’s just ridiculous
[3/11/2015 7:25:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[3/11/2015 7:25:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: especially if you play a dalish mage
[3/11/2015 7:25:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And I had the warden romance her and go through the eluvian with her
[3/11/2015 7:26:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): BUT also played as a Dalish Mage
[3/11/2015 7:26:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ugh her asking about Mythal
[3/11/2015 7:26:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I was like fuck you she would know better than morrigan
[3/11/2015 7:26:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can understand a non mage not being able to use the well as well as morrigan could
[3/11/2015 7:26:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: but a dalish mage not being able ot utilize it?
[3/11/2015 7:26:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: jthat makes very little sense
[3/11/2015 7:26:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah it’s their culture.
[3/11/2015 7:26:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean she says she’s done all this research
[3/11/2015 7:26:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but from what she says
[3/11/2015 7:26:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: in the temple
[3/11/2015 7:26:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: she knows nothing more than your average keeper
[3/11/2015 7:27:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well yeah.
[3/11/2015 7:27:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is why solas is like this the whole time:
[3/11/2015 7:27:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The only person who probably knows the full power of the well is solas if you take him and lol
[3/11/2015 7:27:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
[3/11/2015 7:27:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): SOLAS IN THE TEMPLE
[3/11/2015 7:27:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): IS HILARIOUS
[3/11/2015 7:27:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and there are some people who get mad at him for his behavior there
[3/11/2015 7:28:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and I’m just like
[3/11/2015 7:28:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): she’s literally saying she knows more about his culture than he and the other elf in the party do
[3/11/2015 7:28:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: well i mean she is very knowledgable
[3/11/2015 7:28:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: and even solas says that the dalish are interpreting legend as historical face
[3/11/2015 7:28:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: fact*
[3/11/2015 7:28:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i can believe
[3/11/2015 7:28:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: her knowing as much as the dalish inquisitor
[3/11/2015 7:29:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: but trying to argue she knows more
[3/11/2015 7:29:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a stretch by her dialogue
[3/11/2015 7:29:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/11/2015 7:29:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I agree.
[3/11/2015 7:29:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m just being facetious for dramatic effect, I guess.
[3/11/2015 7:29:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: altohugh i’m annoyed that it was a typical bioware choice in the temple
[3/11/2015 7:30:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: so i can join abelas
[3/11/2015 7:30:03 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): IN reality, I can see her knowing as much as a dalish inquisitor does.
[3/11/2015 7:30:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not feel like an asshole
[3/11/2015 7:30:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: and get the well
[3/11/2015 7:30:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: OR
[3/11/2015 7:30:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: i can refuse abelas
[3/11/2015 7:30:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: and feel like an asshole
[3/11/2015 7:30:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and get the well
[3/11/2015 7:30:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah. That annoys me as well.
[3/11/2015 7:30:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Would you like this pie?”
[3/11/2015 7:30:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: “yes.”
[3/11/2015 7:30:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Would you like to punch this kitten to get it?”
[3/11/2015 7:30:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: “preferably not?”
[3/11/2015 7:30:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: “K. here’s your pie.”
[3/11/2015 7:30:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: “… that was weird.”
[3/11/2015 7:30:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I really liked the hawke and warden choice because there was something at stake.
[3/11/2015 7:30:51 PM] nadaselgar: That will always piss me off about stories. Not knowing your own history, but they do it with everything.
[3/11/2015 7:31:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like really something at stake.
[3/11/2015 7:31:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: well there’s something at stake
[3/11/2015 7:31:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: but apart from a bit of dialogue
[3/11/2015 7:31:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: it changes nothing
[3/11/2015 7:31:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well yeah.
[3/11/2015 7:31:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: which is really annoying if your chocie was between, say, alistair and hawke
[3/11/2015 7:31:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: aka two of the most pivotal people in thedosian modern history
[3/11/2015 7:31:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I let Hawke make the sacrifice.
[3/11/2015 7:31:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: and all you get if you sacrifice alistair
[3/11/2015 7:31:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: is “OHNOES WHO WILL LEAD US NOW?! D:”
[3/11/2015 7:32:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: but their ending is the same
[3/11/2015 7:32:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: all you get for hawke’s ending
[3/11/2015 7:32:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: is varric being all sadpants for a bit
[3/11/2015 7:32:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then everybody forgets
[3/11/2015 7:32:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: excuse, bioware
[3/11/2015 7:32:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: Varric was my hawke’s best friend
[3/11/2015 7:32:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Same.
[3/11/2015 7:32:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t know this is stuff I’m fixing in my novelization.
[3/11/2015 7:32:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My Varric and Rey have a huge argument about it and he almost leaves the Inquisition over it.
[3/11/2015 7:32:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: he’s not just going to forget about his best friend’s sacrifice, especially given that he witnessed it (Because i don’t have the heart to not take varric along with me during here lies the abyss)
[3/11/2015 7:33:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: that guy is going to be fucking 90
[3/11/2015 7:33:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: and still be haunted by hawke’s death
[3/11/2015 7:33:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But then she basically yells at him that she would like to see him make these kind of decisions and he quiets down and just
[3/11/2015 7:33:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): thinks about it.
[3/11/2015 7:33:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And realizes that to her
[3/11/2015 7:33:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): she didn’t have that with Hawke.
[3/11/2015 7:34:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: overall their portrayal of varric is dissapointing
[3/11/2015 7:34:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And he promised Hawke awhile back he would see it through.
[3/11/2015 7:34:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: he can’t have bianca
[3/11/2015 7:34:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: his friend who helped design bianca is dead
[3/11/2015 7:34:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t like Bianca much actually.
[3/11/2015 7:34:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: bethany/carver got the blight if they went to the deep roads
[3/11/2015 7:34:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: bartrand is either crazy pants or dead
[3/11/2015 7:34:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My Varric lives with a lot of guilt over… everything?
[3/11/2015 7:35:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: well that’s my point
[3/11/2015 7:35:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is the crucial point where he breaks down
[3/11/2015 7:35:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: screaming that everything he touches goes to shit?
[3/11/2015 7:35:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah seriously.
[3/11/2015 7:35:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it’s even what the DEMON TAUNTS HIM ABOUT
[3/11/2015 7:35:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is his struggle with overbearing depression, especially if hawke is dead?
[3/11/2015 7:35:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The demon is like this is all your fault
[3/11/2015 7:35:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: but no, all we get
[3/11/2015 7:35:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And man they missed a huge part of his character
[3/11/2015 7:36:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): with his lying
[3/11/2015 7:36:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and just
[3/11/2015 7:36:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: is a bit about corypheus being his fault right after we get to skyhold
[3/11/2015 7:36:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then his story if hawke dies
[3/11/2015 7:36:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s it
[3/11/2015 7:36:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean come on
[3/11/2015 7:36:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah it was a cop out
[3/11/2015 7:37:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean that’s a huge thing i have with bioware
[3/11/2015 7:37:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is the characterization?
[3/11/2015 7:37:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I would have done it better.
[3/11/2015 7:37:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I’m a character centered writer.
[3/11/2015 7:37:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re sometimes
[3/11/2015 7:37:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): too lore based.
[3/11/2015 7:37:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: change sometimes to often
[3/11/2015 7:37:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: and we agree :p
[3/11/2015 7:38:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: these are scenes we should have seen (discounting the obvious romance scenes)
[3/11/2015 7:38:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think that’s a first. ;)
[3/11/2015 7:38:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is the scene of varric and cullen finally getting to know each other?
[3/11/2015 7:38:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I WANTED THAT SCENE
[3/11/2015 7:38:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ugh and there wasn’t enough of Vivienne and solas interacting with the rest of the inquisition
[3/11/2015 7:38:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is the scene with varric breaking down in bianca’s arms if hawke is dead
[3/11/2015 7:39:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: as this is the first true friend he’s seen since the event
[3/11/2015 7:39:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: someone he loves completely, possibly the only person he loves more than hawke
[3/11/2015 7:39:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah
[3/11/2015 7:39:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): oh my god
[3/11/2015 7:39:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: where is the scene of Leliana and morrigan commiserating?
[3/11/2015 7:40:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): he loves Bianca so uch that even though she’s married to another man and he can NEVER SEE HER
[3/11/2015 7:40:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): he’s never moved on
[3/11/2015 7:40:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean his obssession with biana is by no means healthy
[3/11/2015 7:40:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): well no
[3/11/2015 7:40:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): i’m not saying it is
[3/11/2015 7:40:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): that’s like saying solavellan is completely healthy
[3/11/2015 7:40:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but at the same time
[3/11/2015 7:40:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: that’s not the way a normal person acts in that situation
[3/11/2015 7:41:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: i mean we are at the point
[3/11/2015 7:41:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: where they were able to put so much expression into solas’s face
[3/11/2015 7:41:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: that you could understand what he was thinking in some scenes
[3/11/2015 7:41:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: but it seems like none of the other companions were given the same respect
[3/11/2015 7:41:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: c assandra finds her apprentice daniel
[3/11/2015 7:41:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: has to kill him
[3/11/2015 7:41:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: AND THEN NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT AGAIN
[3/11/2015 7:42:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: what? normal grief? Fuck that. here’s a book.
[3/11/2015 7:42:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: ALSO MORE EXPOSITION
[3/11/2015 7:42:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): THAT BOTHERS ME SO MUCH
[3/11/2015 7:42:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ugh
[3/11/2015 7:42:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I just
[3/11/2015 7:42:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it has so much potential
[3/11/2015 7:42:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): but characterization wise I keep thinking
[3/11/2015 7:42:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “i could have done better”
[3/11/2015 7:42:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: “I think we should show instead of tell.”
[3/11/2015 7:43:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): other than fewer fetch quests I don’t have many complaints gameplay wise
[3/11/2015 7:43:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: “k. Let’s write an enormous codex nobody will read.”
[3/11/2015 7:43:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: “no. no, i say SHOW don’t… ”
[3/11/2015 7:43:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: “WRITE MORE EXPOSITION!”
[3/11/2015 7:43:21 PM] nadaselgar: That one.
[3/11/2015 7:43:27 PM] nadaselgar: Enormous codex.
[3/11/2015 7:43:29 PM] nadaselgar: XDD
[3/11/2015 7:43:30 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): UGH
[3/11/2015 7:43:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I JUST
[3/11/2015 7:43:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to rewrite dragon age so bad
[3/11/2015 7:43:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I look at this thing and i’m like
[3/11/2015 7:43:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: so wwait
[3/11/2015 7:43:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: wait
[3/11/2015 7:43:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have to learn that sera wants to go hunting dragons
[3/11/2015 7:43:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: by a RANDOM UPDATE TO HER CODEX?
[3/11/2015 7:43:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: fucking seriously?
[3/11/2015 7:44:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: also what is this bullshit
[3/11/2015 7:44:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: of some characters have codex entries
[3/11/2015 7:44:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: and others just having random letters?
[3/11/2015 7:44:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): solas
[3/11/2015 7:44:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): fucking
[3/11/2015 7:44:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: consistency = it’s important
[3/11/2015 7:44:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): solas
[3/11/2015 7:45:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): like I just want to take dragon age and rewrite it
[3/11/2015 7:45:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): from the bottom up
[3/11/2015 7:45:12 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ugh
[3/11/2015 7:45:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): this is my problem
[3/11/2015 7:45:27 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to rewrite everything I enjoy even remotely
[3/11/2015 7:45:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[3/11/2015 7:45:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m the same in many ways
[3/11/2015 7:45:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: eyes Mass Effect
[3/11/2015 7:45:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): EVEN IF I REALLY LOVE IT
[3/11/2015 7:45:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and don’t get me wrong
[3/11/2015 7:45:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I love dragon age
[3/11/2015 7:45:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it could just be so much better
[3/11/2015 7:45:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): LIKE
[3/11/2015 7:46:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): wouldn’t it have been cool
[3/11/2015 7:46:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): if they were actually consistent with the whole
[3/11/2015 7:46:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): flemeth/fen'harel plot
[3/11/2015 7:46:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: anyway, what i was going on before about this being solas’s story
[3/11/2015 7:46:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and there was ACTUAL FORESHADOWING
[3/11/2015 7:46:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: what reinforces this, for me
[3/11/2015 7:46:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: is that Solas is the chessmaster
[3/11/2015 7:46:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChessmaster
[3/11/2015 7:47:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh that
[3/11/2015 7:47:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah well he’s an INTJ like
[3/11/2015 7:47:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): INTJ characters are usually chessmasters
[3/11/2015 7:47:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: but you can easily view the game
[3/11/2015 7:48:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: through the lens of his machinations
[3/11/2015 7:48:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: where he is essentially leading the inquisition with plans he put into motion long before the game started
[3/11/2015 7:48:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: of course that theory hinges on the idea that the orb found its way to corypheus earlier than just immediately before the game began
[3/11/2015 7:49:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah
[3/11/2015 7:49:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I have so many thoughts about solas idk
[3/11/2015 7:49:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): he’s certainly
[3/11/2015 7:49:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): like half the time i’m under the impression that he doesn’t even consciously plan things 100% he’s just that smart
[3/11/2015 7:49:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): that he just sees these things in his side mirrors and like
[3/11/2015 7:49:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: oh i think he plans things
[3/11/2015 7:49:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: i think he has plans inside plans inside plans
[3/11/2015 7:50:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Well yes but it’s
[3/11/2015 7:50:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): idk
[3/11/2015 7:50:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): the way he talks in the dream scene especially
[3/11/2015 7:51:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): sometimes I think his plans form as a result of other plans failing
[3/11/2015 7:51:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): i wish i could explain it but my thoughts are not linear enough
[3/11/2015 7:51:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[3/11/2015 7:51:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: i hear you
[3/11/2015 7:52:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’d have to think about it which
[3/11/2015 7:52:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): i may
[3/11/2015 10:03:24 PM] nadaselgar: Also
[3/11/2015 10:03:24 PM] nadaselgar: http://fenxshiral.tumblr.com/post/113395702688/would-you-be-willing-to-make-videos-and-worksheets
[3/11/2015 10:03:27 PM] nadaselgar: More on topic.
[3/11/2015 10:03:41 PM] nadaselgar: I adore teaching, and would love to help put together little lessonie thingies and such when we’re ready for that.
[3/11/2015 10:04:09 PM] nadaselgar: I’m actually going to be going into elementary education with an associates in Early Childhood Development.
[3/11/2015 10:04:11 PM] nadaselgar: … eventually :x
[3/11/2015 10:04:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :D
[3/11/2015 10:04:42 PM] nadaselgar: I was actually going to do an English Teacher.
[3/11/2015 10:04:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: :D
[3/11/2015 10:04:51 PM] nadaselgar: But…. then I looked into what’s needed to get that degree.
[3/11/2015 10:04:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[3/11/2015 10:05:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: tons of college
[3/11/2015 10:05:02 PM] nadaselgar: And pretty much hopped on the nopthat train to fuckthatville.
[3/11/2015 10:05:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: and then a job that doesn’t pay enough to pay off the student debt
[3/11/2015 10:05:20 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I adore English, but the papers and books that you have to deal with.
[3/11/2015 10:05:34 PM] nadaselgar: Plus, I’ve always /hated/ the whole, dissecting of writings.
[3/11/2015 10:06:00 PM] nadaselgar: Like, it’s a poem, it speaks to me, I don’t need to dissect every single line and then write a paragraph on my feelings and then write two more paragraphs on what the author meant and and and
[3/11/2015 10:06:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah
[3/11/2015 10:06:22 PM] nadaselgar: And that is why I’m going for elementary education, because I love kids, and because teaching secondary school requires more… annoying education.
[3/11/2015 10:06:28 PM] nadaselgar: Otherwise, I’d also love to teach history.
[3/11/2015 10:06:37 PM] nadaselgar: English and History are my two strong subjects <3
[3/11/2015 10:07:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I hate the way they teach analysis in school.
[3/11/2015 10:07:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Literally fuck that noise.
[3/11/2015 10:07:44 PM] nadaselgar: ^
[3/11/2015 10:07:47 PM] nadaselgar: Pretty much.
[3/11/2015 10:08:04 PM] nadaselgar: I will never send my children to public school.
[3/11/2015 10:08:05 PM] nadaselgar: Period.
[3/11/2015 10:08:17 PM] nadaselgar: I will either find a charter/private school that I like, or I will homeschool.
[3/11/2015 10:08:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I won’t ever have children.
[3/11/2015 10:08:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But good for you.
[3/11/2015 10:08:34 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I have had so many bad experiences with the school system that I’m like fuck that.
[3/11/2015 10:09:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: the school system is horrible
[3/11/2015 10:09:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: if i ever have kids
[3/11/2015 10:09:08 PM] nadaselgar: I adore kids, but I don’t have concrete plans for them because there’s no guarantee that I’ll get married/be able to afford it/be able to have them/etc.
[3/11/2015 10:09:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: charter school is where they’re going
[3/11/2015 10:09:25 PM] nadaselgar: The thing is, Charter schools can be even worse.
[3/11/2015 10:09:48 PM] nadaselgar: Like, a lot of schools, charter included, will say,“Oh look, we give them more bookwork, more homework, more tests, they’re so smart.”
[3/11/2015 10:09:52 PM] nadaselgar: Like fuck you, school.
[3/11/2015 10:10:12 PM] nadaselgar: I’ll be looking for a school that brags about 30 minutes of homework, and hands on activites, and loads of field trips.
[3/11/2015 10:10:39 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I don’t want my child to have the best years of their lives wasted filling out countless amounts of paperwork and writing essays.
[3/11/2015 10:10:44 PM] nadaselgar: I want them to go out and LEARN.
[3/11/2015 10:10:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think this RP I had just turned into sexual innuendo when it was originally about dragons.
[3/11/2015 10:11:12 PM] nadaselgar: Is Iron Bull in this RP?
[3/11/2015 10:11:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No.
[3/11/2015 10:11:17 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s Solas.
[3/11/2015 10:11:23 PM | Edited 10:11:38 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And a Lavellan.
[3/11/2015 10:11:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s a Pern AU.
[3/11/2015 10:11:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ha.
[3/11/2015 10:11:41 PM] nadaselgar: Well, I mean, Mythal/whatsherface is a dragon.
[3/11/2015 10:11:49 PM] nadaselgar: And… it’s Solas/Lavellan.
[3/11/2015 10:11:52 PM] nadaselgar: So nough said.
[3/11/2015 10:12:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Another soft sound of amusement came form his lips. “They’re not all so bad, simply too confident in their size. It takes more than size to be adept at what you do.”
[10:08:52 PM] Several Very Ironic Bees: “Size is a bonus,” she said, complete with a wink, “but not a priority.”
[10:10:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): His ears reddened even further and he cleared his throat. “Yes… Well… Size is only advantage if you know what to do with it.”
[3/11/2015 10:12:40 PM] nadaselgar: MUAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.
[3/11/2015 10:12:49 PM] nadaselgar: AND YOUR SOLAS IS ACCURATE.
[3/11/2015 10:12:51 PM] nadaselgar: Oh my god.
[3/11/2015 10:12:56 PM] nadaselgar: I haven’t RP'ed in ages ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:13:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Thank you. I’m good at writing him, at least.
[3/11/2015 10:13:08 PM] nadaselgar: I’m good at writing Tony Stark.
[3/11/2015 10:13:18 PM] nadaselgar: I think I’m good at Anders, but I haven’t had much practice.
[3/11/2015 10:13:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I just kind of… slid into Solas.
[3/11/2015 10:13:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He’s easy for me to write.
[3/11/2015 10:15:38 PM] nadaselgar: Fuck.
[3/11/2015 10:15:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Hm?
[3/11/2015 10:15:47 PM] nadaselgar: I don’t like pregnant/child thingies.
[3/11/2015 10:15:58 PM] nadaselgar: And a lot of people like that for Solas/Lavellan, and all their OTPs and shit.
[3/11/2015 10:16:08 PM] nadaselgar: And normally I just scroll past distastefully.
[3/11/2015 10:16:20 PM] nadaselgar: But there’s a Solavellan one that’s cute ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:16:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh that bothers my muse.
[3/11/2015 10:16:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like
[3/11/2015 10:16:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): the pregnancy in Solavellan thing.
[3/11/2015 10:16:43 PM] nadaselgar: I just… kids are a touchy thing for me.
[3/11/2015 10:16:53 PM] nadaselgar: As is pregnancy.
[3/11/2015 10:17:07 PM] nadaselgar: I just… I feel like 9/10 times it’s fetishized in those kinds of things.
[3/11/2015 10:17:33 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I agree, speculating your dream man as a father can make you all happy, but the art and the little stories, esp during pregnancy, can bother me.
[3/11/2015 10:17:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): There is one story with pregnancy in that I like
[3/11/2015 10:17:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): but that’s because Solas changed his plans
[3/11/2015 10:18:01 PM] nadaselgar: I haven’t found a fic with pregnancy in it that I like.
[3/11/2015 10:18:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and decided to help rebuild Elvhen society with modern elves
[3/11/2015 10:18:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And the pregnancy itself was largely glossed over for other things
[3/11/2015 10:18:18 PM] nadaselgar: And there’s a TON of MPreg ones with Loki and Various other pairings.
[3/11/2015 10:18:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): U GH mPREG
[3/11/2015 10:18:29 PM] nadaselgar: And so far every single one of them makes my stomach churn.
[3/11/2015 10:18:30 PM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/11/2015 10:18:35 PM] nadaselgar: No please.
[3/11/2015 10:18:51 PM] nadaselgar: I adore Loki/Tony Stark.
[3/11/2015 10:19:00 PM] nadaselgar: But… neither one of those characters should be pregnant.
[3/11/2015 10:19:12 PM] nadaselgar: Tony Stark would /never/ want to be pregnant ( even if he could be)
[3/11/2015 10:19:30 PM] nadaselgar: And since I prefer Dom!Loki, that just kinda ends there too
[3/11/2015 10:19:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Oh god.
[3/11/2015 10:19:38 PM] nadaselgar: Because in more fics, the pregnant one is all submissive.
[3/11/2015 10:19:40 PM] nadaselgar: And I just.
[3/11/2015 10:19:42 PM] nadaselgar: Nope.
[3/11/2015 10:19:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah those kinds of
[3/11/2015 10:19:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): um
[3/11/2015 10:19:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): tropes
[3/11/2015 10:19:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): bother me.
[3/11/2015 10:20:01 PM] nadaselgar: CAN’T WE JUST NOT MENTION ANOTHER LIFE FORM PLEASE
[3/11/2015 10:20:21 PM] nadaselgar: THAT IS A THIRD CHARACTER YOU JUST ADDED IN. IF I WANTED A OT3 I WOULD HAVE LOOKED FOR THAT.
[3/11/2015 10:20:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[3/11/2015 10:21:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t use pregnancy in fics unless I have a purpose for it and I’m going to treat the child like an actual character
[3/11/2015 10:21:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So
[3/11/2015 10:22:29 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah, Ok.
[3/11/2015 10:22:32 PM] nadaselgar: Change time.
[3/11/2015 10:22:37 PM] nadaselgar: Let’s talk about the adds on my Skype.
[3/11/2015 10:22:42 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ha ha ha
[3/11/2015 10:22:48 PM] nadaselgar: This chick has hair that needs the deepest of conditioners.
[3/11/2015 10:22:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): oh man i’m so tired but I have stuff to do
[3/11/2015 10:22:52 PM] nadaselgar: Lemme tell ya.
[3/11/2015 10:22:55 PM] nadaselgar: Oh, she’s gone.
[3/11/2015 10:22:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m like
[3/11/2015 10:22:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I CAN’T
[3/11/2015 10:22:58 PM] nadaselgar: GO TO SLEEP.
[3/11/2015 10:23:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): also I’m writing a fic told entirely from the point of ocs
[3/11/2015 10:23:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): it’s going to bomb
[3/11/2015 10:23:14 PM] nadaselgar: Nah, I actually prefer that sometimes.
[3/11/2015 10:23:21 PM] nadaselgar: I went through a Loki/OC phase.
[3/11/2015 10:23:31 PM] nadaselgar: Like, I will never understand why people shit on self inserts.
[3/11/2015 10:23:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s about the Elvhenan Rebellion and it’s told from the pov of my four ocs who are his inner circle during this time
[3/11/2015 10:23:50 PM] nadaselgar: If the writer is skilled, it lets them enjoy their own story, and I don’t even know them so I can’t tell if it’s a self insert.
[3/11/2015 10:23:55 PM] nadaselgar: And like, OCs are nice.
[3/11/2015 10:24:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They are.
[3/11/2015 10:24:03 PM] nadaselgar: His as in Solas?
[3/11/2015 10:24:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes.
[3/11/2015 10:24:10 PM] nadaselgar: OH MY GOD.
[3/11/2015 10:24:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): His as in Solas.
[3/11/2015 10:24:12 PM] nadaselgar: YOU WRITE.
[3/11/2015 10:24:18 PM] nadaselgar: YOU WRITE THAT FIC.
[3/11/2015 10:24:22 PM] nadaselgar: That sounds AMAZING.
[3/11/2015 10:24:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :)
[3/11/2015 10:24:29 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Want to see the OCs?
[3/11/2015 10:24:34 PM] nadaselgar: Yessssssss
[3/11/2015 10:24:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I made them on DA I but I need to do proper drawings of them all someday.
[3/11/2015 10:24:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I haven’t had a chance to yet, though.
[3/11/2015 10:25:13 PM] nadaselgar: It’s ok, my Lavellan is a Sims 3 make, since I don’t have Inqui yet.
[3/11/2015 10:25:13 PM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:25:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): http://fenharelenasalin.tumblr.com/post/113377065080/nuven-ethlan-assan-and-harlen-all-in-one-place
[3/11/2015 10:26:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Nuven is an artist.
[3/11/2015 10:26:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I based the institution of artists off of ancient Egypt, where art is something that is more or less uniform.
[3/11/2015 10:26:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It’s used to express things in temples.
[3/11/2015 10:27:09 PM] nadaselgar: The top one.
[3/11/2015 10:27:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): There’s a prescribed way to do it.
[3/11/2015 10:27:22 PM] nadaselgar: The eyebrows are large.
[3/11/2015 10:27:31 PM] nadaselgar: Also, I love the slave without eyebrows.
[3/11/2015 10:27:45 PM] nadaselgar: I love slaves without body hair though.
[3/11/2015 10:27:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :) That’s Assan. They’re agender.
[3/11/2015 10:28:01 PM] nadaselgar: Like people glamorize slavery like, pretty girls.
[3/11/2015 10:28:06 PM] nadaselgar: That’s it, all slaves are pretty girls.
[3/11/2015 10:28:15 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Thanks to this chat I decided that people in the religious orders shave their body hair in deference to the gods if they serve in their temples.
[3/11/2015 10:28:29 PM] nadaselgar: And I feel like showing slaves without hair (gets in the way, needs to be cleaned, etc) shows that slaves aren’t just pretty pets, they’re slaves.
[3/11/2015 10:28:32 PM] nadaselgar: So like, I approve.
[3/11/2015 10:28:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Thank you.
[3/11/2015 10:28:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Assan is basically his Leliana eventually.
[3/11/2015 10:28:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Spymaster.
[3/11/2015 10:29:18 PM] nadaselgar: And the one on the bottom, one of Mythals?
[3/11/2015 10:29:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Assan was originally the leader of a small uprising in Dirthamen’s temple. They’re a very clever person .
[3/11/2015 10:29:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No. Actually. He has facial tattoos but they’re not Vallaslin. he used to serve Falon'Din but was freed because of Falon'Din’s blood war by Mythal.
[3/11/2015 10:29:51 PM] nadaselgar: My quizzie is one of Dirthamen’s.
[3/11/2015 10:30:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I just used her vallaslin as a stand-in.
[3/11/2015 10:30:10 PM] nadaselgar: Like, not literally, because Dalish.
[3/11/2015 10:30:21 PM] nadaselgar: But there’s a backstory as to why she picked Dirthamen and everything.
[3/11/2015 10:30:22 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I call the tattoos he has vallas'harillen.
[3/11/2015 10:30:34 PM] nadaselgar: I… went a bit too indepth there, and do the tattoos serve a purpose?
[3/11/2015 10:30:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/11/2015 10:31:08 PM] nadaselgar: I saw a thingy on tumblr that mentioned that, most people would probably never get facial tattoos for aesthetic because they could be mistaken for slaves, but tattoos on other places might’ve been common.
[3/11/2015 10:31:14 PM] nadaselgar: And I think that makes some sense.
[3/11/2015 10:31:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re completely cosmetic tattoos since I have this headcanon that the reason vallaslin have blood in them is they’re a form of binding magic to the god whose symbol they are.
[3/11/2015 10:31:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But he’s part of Fen'Harel’s
[3/11/2015 10:31:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): idk
[3/11/2015 10:31:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): priesthood.
[3/11/2015 10:31:34 PM] nadaselgar: That makes sense, tbh.
[3/11/2015 10:31:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So he has facial tattoos but they’re not vallaslin
[3/11/2015 10:31:43 PM] nadaselgar: I mean, the circle uses the same kind of blood magic.
[3/11/2015 10:32:00 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah with the phylacteries.
[3/11/2015 10:32:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s why I came up with the idea.
[3/11/2015 10:32:09 PM] nadaselgar: Really though, ASsan is my fav.
[3/11/2015 10:32:11 PM] nadaselgar: Just.
[3/11/2015 10:32:13 PM] nadaselgar: Ugh.
[3/11/2015 10:32:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They’re great.
[3/11/2015 10:32:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Assan is my fave too.
[3/11/2015 10:32:28 PM] nadaselgar: The realistic slavery appearance, just, makes me happy.
[3/11/2015 10:32:46 PM] nadaselgar: Slavery is far too sexualized now a days, in my opinion.
[3/11/2015 10:32:58 PM] nadaselgar: So just. All my happy.
[3/11/2015 10:33:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): That’s why I went with an agender and not conventionally attractive person.
[3/11/2015 10:33:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): This fic does not aim to be like
[3/11/2015 10:33:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): sexualized at all.
[3/11/2015 10:33:17 PM] nadaselgar: Perfect.
[3/11/2015 10:33:19 PM] nadaselgar: Because like.
[3/11/2015 10:33:21 PM] nadaselgar: I wanna hear war plans.
[3/11/2015 10:33:39 PM] nadaselgar: I want strategy, and logic, and ulterior motives, and spies, and all that.
[3/11/2015 10:33:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The only one who is supposed to be attractive is Ethlan.
[3/11/2015 10:33:47 PM] nadaselgar: Which one is that?
[3/11/2015 10:33:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): The blonde woman.
[3/11/2015 10:34:00 PM] nadaselgar: >obviously I consider them all equally attractive
[3/11/2015 10:34:02 PM] nadaselgar: Ah.
[3/11/2015 10:34:11 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah she’s supposed to be stereotypically pretty.
[3/11/2015 10:34:12 PM] nadaselgar: tbh, I find the top one the most attractive.
[3/11/2015 10:34:18 PM] nadaselgar: They also remind me of Cass.
[3/11/2015 10:34:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think Harlen is the most attractive but I’m pretty exclusively into men.
[3/11/2015 10:34:47 PM] nadaselgar: Harlen is the last one?
[3/11/2015 10:34:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes.
[3/11/2015 10:35:06 PM] nadaselgar: I seriously find them all attractive in different ways, so….
[3/11/2015 10:35:07 PM] nadaselgar: XD
[3/11/2015 10:35:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m glad.
[3/11/2015 10:35:30 PM] nadaselgar: If I were back then though, I’d definitely be most drawn to Assan, just want to be around and talk to them and stuff.
[3/11/2015 10:35:45 PM] nadaselgar: Ironically enough, when I’m attracted to someone, I more just… follow them around and ask questions.
[3/11/2015 10:35:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Assan seeks out Fen'Harel after Mythal’s murder and convinces him to act.
[3/11/2015 10:36:00 PM] nadaselgar: Like, Solas would be so happy. He’d just be asked question after question about the fade.
[3/11/2015 10:36:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Since after Mythal’s murder he’s initially too griefstricken to do anything.
[3/11/2015 10:36:25 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah.
[3/11/2015 10:36:31 PM] nadaselgar: Mythal was the only one he really… LIKED.
[3/11/2015 10:36:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He has to be talked into it by more than one person and Assan is like “you’ve done us slaves solids in the past so really”
[3/11/2015 10:36:47 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “come on and help us now”
[3/11/2015 10:37:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “now that mythal is gone elgar'nan is just killing us for every little thing”
[3/11/2015 10:37:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “we need you”
[3/11/2015 10:37:22 PM] nadaselgar: Dude.
[3/11/2015 10:37:25 PM] nadaselgar: Elgar'nan
[3/11/2015 10:37:27 PM] nadaselgar: Just.
[3/11/2015 10:37:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Elgar'nan is the Big Bad in my head.
[3/11/2015 10:37:35 PM] nadaselgar: Stop killing the people ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:37:38 PM] nadaselgar: He really is.
[3/11/2015 10:37:47 PM] nadaselgar: Like, tbh I probably consider Andruil the worst.
[3/11/2015 10:37:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Same.
[3/11/2015 10:37:53 PM] nadaselgar: But Elgar'nan just LETS HER
[3/11/2015 10:37:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[3/11/2015 10:38:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Everyone has their own motivations for helping him.
[3/11/2015 10:38:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Assan is probably the most goodhearted and altruistic.
[3/11/2015 10:38:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): They actually have big goals and dreams.
[3/11/2015 10:38:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ethlan is totally in it just for vengeance.
[3/11/2015 10:38:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): her sister was one of Mythal’s devoted followers
[3/11/2015 10:38:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and was killed in the Temple Massacre
[3/11/2015 10:38:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So she’s like fuck the whole world
[3/11/2015 10:39:07 PM] nadaselgar: Ethlan is me.
[3/11/2015 10:39:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’m going to get back at him and all the gods
[3/11/2015 10:39:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): make them pay
[3/11/2015 10:39:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And she uses her beauty as a weapon for herself
[3/11/2015 10:39:43 PM] nadaselgar: People mess with my sister and I’m like,“EXCUSE YOU, THAT IS MY SISTER. ONLY I CAN MAKE HER FEEL BAD FEELS. FUCK OFF I WILL SKIN YOU.”
[3/11/2015 10:40:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeh that’s Ethlan
[3/11/2015 10:40:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Nuven
[3/11/2015 10:40:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Nuven does it because she and Assan are lovers eventually
[3/11/2015 10:40:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But she’s also hella ace
[3/11/2015 10:40:37 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): so it’s a no sex romance?
[3/11/2015 10:40:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): At first she’s just kind of wrapped up in it because she’s working on mosaics at the temple with Mythal is murdered
[3/11/2015 10:41:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And then Harlen
[3/11/2015 10:41:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He and Fen'Harel are like
[3/11/2015 10:41:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): QPs
[3/11/2015 10:41:54 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): like Fen'Harel literally saved his life and nursed him back to health and he has been kicking Fen'Harels ass for like 2000 years now and making sure he does shit
[3/11/2015 10:42:12 PM] nadaselgar: QPs?
[3/11/2015 10:42:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Queer Platonic
[3/11/2015 10:42:29 PM] nadaselgar: Ah.
[3/11/2015 10:43:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I don’t want to write it as the “i love you bro” thing
[3/11/2015 10:43:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But i’m afraid people will read it that way
[3/11/2015 10:43:34 PM] nadaselgar: Well, you could write a romance scene for them where they both just burst out laughing simultaneously like fuck no, nothing.
[3/11/2015 10:43:48 PM] nadaselgar: They did that in Orange is the New Black, and it actually worked out well, I thought.
[3/11/2015 10:43:57 PM] nadaselgar: But then you’ll have people going,“NOTHEYKISSEDITSCANON.”
[3/11/2015 10:44:36 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think they’ve shared a bed before
[3/11/2015 10:44:43 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Fen'Harel just like
[3/11/2015 10:44:47 PM] *** Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles) snuggles ***
[3/11/2015 10:44:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I did this because
[3/11/2015 10:44:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He basically implies he’s lost people
[3/11/2015 10:45:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): so I needed to give him friends
[3/11/2015 10:45:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): like really close friends
[3/11/2015 10:45:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): He talks about enduring loss and grief a lot
[3/11/2015 10:45:34 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And not in a “I’ve only ever lost spirits” way.
[3/11/2015 10:45:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): So this is my attempt at giving him friends and family and something to lose.
[3/11/2015 10:45:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And telling it entirely through their pov.
[3/11/2015 10:46:02 PM] nadaselgar: …. You’re gonna kill them all aren’t you?
[3/11/2015 10:46:05 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No?
[3/11/2015 10:46:09 PM] nadaselgar: Oh thank god.
[3/11/2015 10:46:15 PM] nadaselgar: Well, usually loss = death
[3/11/2015 10:46:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I think the only one who is going to die is Harlen.
[3/11/2015 10:46:28 PM] nadaselgar: Oh :'c
[3/11/2015 10:46:32 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/11/2015 10:46:33 PM] nadaselgar: I want them all to live.
[3/11/2015 10:46:40 PM] nadaselgar: And then Fen'Harel just VANISHES.
[3/11/2015 10:46:44 PM] nadaselgar: And then the breach happens.
[3/11/2015 10:46:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): But I don’t know for sure yet.
[3/11/2015 10:46:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yep.
[3/11/2015 10:46:55 PM] nadaselgar: And they’re like,“… does that look like what it looks like to me?”
[3/11/2015 10:47:00 PM] nadaselgar: And they’re like,“HE’S FUCKING BACK GUYSSSS”
[3/11/2015 10:47:06 PM] nadaselgar: And then they go find him.
[3/11/2015 10:47:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA
[3/11/2015 10:47:10 PM] nadaselgar: And it’s just all happy.
[3/11/2015 10:47:16 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THEM
[3/11/2015 10:47:16 PM] nadaselgar: And then they get him to go tell Lavellan the trust.
[3/11/2015 10:47:20 PM] nadaselgar: *truth.
[3/11/2015 10:47:21 PM] nadaselgar: AND MORE HAPPY.
[3/11/2015 10:47:22 PM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:47:28 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): By writing an AU in my head
[3/11/2015 10:47:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): where Rey (My Lavellan) takes her party into a lost temple of June
[3/11/2015 10:47:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and they find an Eluvian and go through
[3/11/2015 10:48:08 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and then they accidentaly wake up Fen'Harel’s inner council from Uthenera
[3/11/2015 10:48:13 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and Harlen wakes up
[3/11/2015 10:48:14 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): sees him
[3/11/2015 10:48:19 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and punches him in the face
[3/11/2015 10:48:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and then hugs him and starts frantically crying
[3/11/2015 10:48:32 PM] nadaselgar: Oh my god.
[3/11/2015 10:48:33 PM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/11/2015 10:48:34 PM] nadaselgar: Stop it.
[3/11/2015 10:48:38 PM] nadaselgar: You’re fucking with my FEELS.
[3/11/2015 10:48:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): And Assan is just like
[3/11/2015 10:48:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Harlen pls
[3/11/2015 10:49:01 PM] nadaselgar: Have you ever seen Farscape?
[3/11/2015 10:49:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yes.
[3/11/2015 10:49:17 PM] nadaselgar: Assan is reminding me of the Blue lady.
[3/11/2015 10:49:20 PM] nadaselgar: >Bad at names
[3/11/2015 10:49:21 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): omfg
[3/11/2015 10:49:36 PM] nadaselgar: And Harlen can be The dude with the beard thing.
[3/11/2015 10:49:39 PM] nadaselgar: Drago?
[3/11/2015 10:49:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t mean to be an asshole
[3/11/2015 10:49:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: but would you mind bringing this conversation private?
[3/11/2015 10:49:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’d like to keep this group for project elvhen stuff
[3/11/2015 10:50:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t mind unrelated conversations here and there
[3/11/2015 10:50:03 PM] nadaselgar: Yeah, sorry.
[3/11/2015 10:50:05 PM] nadaselgar: >.<
[3/11/2015 10:50:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sorry.
[3/11/2015 10:50:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: but if it’s going to be long, like yours has been, i would ask that you have it privately
[3/11/2015 10:50:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: because if I post pertainent info
[3/11/2015 10:50:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: then it gets buried
[3/11/2015 10:50:41 PM] nadaselgar: Got it, Boss. ^o^
[3/11/2015 10:50:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: thank ye
[3/11/2015 10:50:58 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Sorry.
[3/11/2015 11:27:21 PM] Helig: (Bigby, I can and will rant about russian but not today apparently - i am slightly busy until weekend. Also. Every time I have read name Assan, I think about Fel'assan and everything hurts. Thank.)
[3/11/2015 11:27:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: hugs helig
[3/11/2015 11:31:22 PM] Helig: sad halla honking
[3/11/2015 11:31:50 PM] Helig: Do not let me write fanfiction.
[3/11/2015 11:32:15 PM] Helig: I either make happy worlds out of denial of something terrible.
[3/11/2015 11:32:25 PM] Helig: Or everything hurts.
[3/11/2015 11:34:06 PM] Helig: Looks at an unfinished plot for AC and Prototype crossover or everything hurts and illuminati
[3/11/2015 11:35:50 PM | Edited 11:36:14 PM] Helig: I should really do something with that, there are still no good works in that category. (An D THEY HAD IT ALL TO BE GOOD But PEOPLE USUALLY BOIL IT ALL DOWN TO CRACK AND SLASH FICTION WHY. I WANTED MORE. WE COULD HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFUL, FANDOM.)
[3/12/2015 3:12:12 AM | Edited 3:12:23 AM] Helig: Currently known world of Thedas is in Southern hemisphere, fite me
[3/12/2015 3:13:36 AM] Helig: and probably shows just
[3/12/2015 3:13:41 AM] Helig: 1/6 of the globe
[3/12/2015 3:13:43 AM] Helig: fite me again
[3/12/2015 3:15:39 AM] Helig: Morrigan said that eluvians lead to places beyond Thedas as well, didn’t she. looks at the Northen hemi What if once upon a time it was a wold wide civilisation.
[3/12/2015 3:15:50 AM] Helig: just like humanity is now
[3/12/2015 3:15:54 AM] Helig: and then flop
[3/12/2015 3:15:55 AM] Helig: ugh
[3/12/2015 3:16:03 AM | Edited 3:16:13 AM] Helig: lays down nope
[3/14/2015 3:05:45 AM] Helig: Can we all take a minute to appreciate Bigby and his work though, I feel like we need to celebrate that.
[3/14/2015 3:06:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: you can call me Mark, helig
[3/14/2015 3:06:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: and thank you <3
[3/14/2015 3:06:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: Yay! :D
[3/14/2015 3:09:08 AM] Helig: Okay, if Mark is better. I just feel that with amount of questions you answer you should either be paid for this or we can get you a shield to ride on while people carry you around.
[3/14/2015 3:09:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: i should be paid
[3/14/2015 3:09:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: part of me wants to create a patreon or something
[3/14/2015 3:09:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[3/14/2015 3:09:46 AM] Helig: I think you can, at this point.
[3/14/2015 3:09:59 AM] Helig: Or a donation option, perhaps.
[3/14/2015 3:10:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: maybe
[3/14/2015 3:10:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ll think o it, and you guys can give me your thoughts
[3/14/2015 3:13:01 AM] Helig: Just not the naughty ones.

Patreon though gave me an impression of being mostly artist oriented. Perhaps I am wrong?
[3/14/2015 3:13:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: dunno
[3/14/2015 3:14:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: anyway i must go to bed
[3/14/2015 3:17:37 AM] Helig: tucks you in go, marvelous and graceful linguistic swan
[3/14/2015 3:17:48 AM] Helig: Into the land of dreams
[3/14/2015 3:17:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: purrs
[3/14/2015 3:18:52 AM] Helig: and have a good night
[3/14/2015 3:19:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight
[3/15/2015 6:49:43 AM | Edited 6:50:38 AM] Helig: Gods
Slaves of Gods (Priests) - Higher Nobles - Dreamers
Lower Nobles, Vassals
Servants and Warriors of Higher Nobility
Servants and Warriors of Lower Nobility
Magical/Scholarly Elite
Trade Elite
Warriors
Middle Class - Craftsmen - Professionals
Peasants
The Poor
Slaves of Priests
Slaves of Nobles
Slaves of Others
Untouchables and Sacrifices
[3/15/2015 6:52:16 AM] Helig: i need an opinion and suggestions about what to add what to change and if this kind of structure makes sence for arlathan
[3/15/2015 6:53:23 AM] Helig: also  I don’t really want to add “debt slaves” to the structure, because it looses some of the rigidity that seems to be present in social structure of Elvhenan
[3/15/2015 12:33:49 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): My impression was that there was a difference between a priest who willingly took up the vallaslin and bound themselves to their god and those who were born into slavery.
[3/15/2015 12:37:34 PM] Helig: Ah, yes, I imagine there would be a difference
[3/15/2015 12:37:56 PM] Helig: I think Priest caste was like that but you can be born into it too
[3/15/2015 12:38:05 PM] Helig: but you can devote yourself to serving
[3/15/2015 12:38:33 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Like Abelas didn’t seem ot hav ebeen forced into servitude.
[3/15/2015 12:38:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): It seems to imply that he took some kind of oath and was bound as a result.
[3/15/2015 12:38:48 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “Bound as we are bound.”
[3/15/2015 12:39:11 PM] Helig: well I DON"T know about abelas
[3/15/2015 12:39:16 PM] Helig: he may or may not be
[3/15/2015 12:39:21 PM] Helig: born into that
[3/15/2015 12:39:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): IF THERE IS ONE THING I HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT’S THE ELVHEN SOCIO-POLITICAL STUCTURE and their society and I’ve spent so much time worldbulilding elvhenan
[3/15/2015 12:39:39 PM] Helig: both interpretations are valid imo
[3/15/2015 12:39:49 PM] Helig: fite me
[3/15/2015 12:39:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No thank you.
[3/15/2015 12:41:44 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): You’re right, so there’s no reason to fight.
[3/15/2015 12:42:54 PM] Helig: gdi
[3/15/2015 12:43:31 PM] Helig: okay but
[3/15/2015 12:43:32 PM] Helig: http://abelas-solas.tumblr.com/post/109985672526/the-hundred-pillars-massive-pillars-made-of-a
[3/15/2015 12:43:34 PM] Helig: there is this thing
[3/15/2015 12:43:47 PM] Helig: so this is the thing why i added untouchables
[3/15/2015 12:44:12 PM] Helig: and possibility of BLOOD MAGIC BRAINWASHING
[3/15/2015 12:44:28 PM] Helig: but not necissirely just that
[3/15/2015 12:44:46 PM] Helig: side eyes twin souled gods so hard rn
[3/15/2015 12:44:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I always thought it was red lyrium.
[3/15/2015 12:45:07 PM] Helig: doubt that
[3/15/2015 12:45:17 PM | Edited 12:45:32 PM] Helig: I think red lyrium is a latest development
[3/15/2015 12:45:25 PM] Helig: otherwise solas would know more about it
[3/15/2015 12:45:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): No it’s not? It was found originally in the Primeveal Thaig, which means it’s really old?
[3/15/2015 12:45:42 PM] Helig: dwarves
[3/15/2015 12:45:46 PM | Edited 12:46:10 PM] Helig: are  a race younger
[3/15/2015 12:45:47 PM] Helig: than elves
[3/15/2015 12:45:57 PM | Edited 12:46:09 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Their societies traded for like 2000 years.
[3/15/2015 12:46:52 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Ah it doesn’t matter. Character analysis is more my thing anyway.
[3/15/2015 2:12:16 PM] Helig: opens a new word file like “i need to write all character headcanons down”
starts crying
making felassan an old as balls elf backfired, it backfired so much
[3/15/2015 2:12:29 PM] Helig: writing old elves like taking a jump into the game of thrones
[3/15/2015 2:12:46 PM] Helig: and grey morality
[3/15/2015 9:25:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: no mark, we are not adding tense-declenating modal verbs to Elvhen
[3/15/2015 9:25:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: “but”
[3/15/2015 9:25:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, Mark
[3/15/2015 9:25:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: “but… ”
[3/15/2015 9:25:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: no.
[3/15/2015 9:25:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: “but i like grammar… :(”
[3/15/2015 9:25:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: no
[3/15/2015 9:25:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: bad mark
[3/15/2015 9:25:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: no tense declenating modal verbs
[3/15/2015 9:25:50 PM] Puppy Bigby: “*starts work on tense declenating modal verbs*”
[3/15/2015 9:25:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: GODFUCKINGDAMNIT MARK
[3/15/2015 9:26:17 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahahahaha
[3/15/2015 9:26:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: “*Giggles off into the moonlight*”
[3/15/2015 9:26:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): me with world building and character development
[3/15/2015 9:26:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yeah
[3/15/2015 9:26:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: elvhen just got more complicated
[3/15/2015 9:26:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: and further from what Bioware created
[3/15/2015 9:26:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: but also more realistic
[3/15/2015 9:26:51 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): “YOU DO NOT NEED TO OUTLINE THE STRUCTURE OF THE THEOCRATIC OLIGARGHY”
[3/15/2015 9:27:03 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and then that little voice in your head goes
[3/15/2015 9:27:06 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: “oH YES ID OOOOOOOOO”
[3/15/2015 9:27:10 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ye p
[3/15/2015 9:27:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[3/15/2015 9:27:53 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): that’s what I’ve been doing recently
[3/15/2015 9:28:02 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I’ve decided to really dedicate myself to world building elvhenan
[3/15/2015 9:28:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: basicaly all day
[3/15/2015 9:28:04 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): woo
[3/15/2015 9:28:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve been going
[3/15/2015 9:28:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: “no. modal verbs will make things complicated”
[3/15/2015 9:28:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: “but modal verbs”
[3/15/2015 9:28:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: “no that will be too complicated”
[3/15/2015 9:28:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: “buuuttt mooooddaaaaalllll veerrrrbbbssss”
[3/15/2015 9:28:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: “no”
[3/15/2015 9:28:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: “modal verbs”
[3/15/2015 9:28:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: “no making modal verbs”
[3/15/2015 9:28:46 PM] Puppy Bigby: “too late”
[3/15/2015 9:28:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: “fuck”
[3/15/2015 9:28:58 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: FUCK IT -starts scribbling down modal verbs- :P
[3/15/2015 9:29:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ha ha ha ha
[3/15/2015 9:29:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: SO YES
[3/15/2015 9:29:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): congrats mark
[3/15/2015 9:29:46 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): you just made more work for yourself
[3/15/2015 9:29:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: meh
[3/15/2015 9:29:50 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): how do you feel
[3/15/2015 9:29:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: more realistic language > work load
[3/15/2015 9:30:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): HA HA HA HA!
[3/15/2015 9:30:13 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: -drums fingers together- excellentttttttt
[3/15/2015 9:30:26 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): yeah it’s the same with the construct of a society
[3/15/2015 9:30:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: i know, i’ve been constructing societies for my own game since 2009
[3/15/2015 9:30:56 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I want to make the world in this fic feel immersive
[3/15/2015 9:31:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): since it’s going to be my magnum opus
[3/15/2015 9:32:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yes, modal verbs
[3/15/2015 9:32:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: modal verbs are dual verbs in Elvhen
[3/15/2015 9:32:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. they can be either meaning verbs or modal verbs depending on the sentence context
[3/15/2015 9:32:51 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahh mmkay
[3/15/2015 9:33:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: i already have two sort of modal verbs
[3/15/2015 9:33:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: vya and ya
[3/15/2015 9:33:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: which are used for perfect and imperfect tenses, respectively
[3/15/2015 9:33:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: but they can only cover so much before getting confusing
[3/15/2015 9:33:35 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhh
[3/15/2015 9:34:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: the modal verb 'will’ is taken care of by tense
[3/15/2015 9:34:25 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: okay good
[3/15/2015 9:35:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: just leaving can, must, shall, and tharf
[3/15/2015 9:35:13 PM] Puppy Bigby: waits to see if any of you know what tharf is
[3/15/2015 9:35:26 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i was legit gonna just wait to see if you would explain that xD
[3/15/2015 9:35:26 PM] nadaselgar: I was wondering if it was a typo.
[3/15/2015 9:35:31 PM] nadaselgar: For Thar.
[3/15/2015 9:35:35 PM] nadaselgar: Or Barf.
[3/15/2015 9:35:36 PM] nadaselgar: Ya know, whatever.
[3/15/2015 9:35:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s the old version of 'dare’ in the model verb sense
[3/15/2015 9:35:55 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhhh
[3/15/2015 9:35:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: as far as I’ve read
[3/15/2015 9:36:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: tharf is still used when discussing the ins and outs of grammar
[3/15/2015 9:36:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. “Dare I say… ”
[3/15/2015 9:36:12 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmm
[3/15/2015 9:36:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: but yeah
[3/15/2015 9:37:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: will, will have, has, etc
[3/15/2015 9:37:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: is taken care of by vya and ya
[3/15/2015 9:38:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. My manlavan
[3/15/2015 9:38:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: I have swam
[3/15/2015 9:38:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: My manlavem
[3/15/2015 9:38:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: I had swam
[3/15/2015 9:39:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: My manlavemah
[3/15/2015 9:39:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: I will have swum
[3/15/2015 9:41:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avy manlavan
[3/15/2015 9:41:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: I have been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:41:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avy manlavem
[3/15/2015 9:41:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: I had been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:42:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avy manlavemah
[3/15/2015 9:42:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: I will have been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:43:03 PM] nadaselgar: Literally…. I think if I had to actually learn all those in school like, in a class, I would have cried.
[3/15/2015 9:43:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: well this is how it is now
[3/15/2015 9:43:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, as it is now
[3/15/2015 9:43:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avy manlavem would also mean
[3/15/2015 9:43:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: i used to swim
[3/15/2015 9:43:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: Avy manlaval would also mean I was swimming
[3/15/2015 9:44:05 PM] Puppy Bigby: and so they start to get very confusing
[3/15/2015 9:44:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: thus the need to include more modal verbs
[3/15/2015 9:44:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: than just vya and ya
[3/15/2015 9:45:18 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: so what is the base phrase “i swim” in the conlang? to see what’s being modified?
[3/15/2015 9:45:33 PM] Puppy Bigby: manlava is the verb to swim
[3/15/2015 9:45:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: i swim would be manlavan
[3/15/2015 9:45:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ar manlavan if we’re being technical
[3/15/2015 9:45:50 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmkay
[3/15/2015 9:46:45 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m still working out grammar
[3/15/2015 9:46:54 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[3/15/2015 9:47:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: whati have so far for vya (Imperfect) and ya (perfect)
[3/15/2015 9:48:27 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: okay
[3/15/2015 9:48:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: is with perfect
[3/15/2015 9:49:43 PM] Puppy Bigby: with indicative and subjunctive, the participle is used
[3/15/2015 9:50:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: with conditional, the infinitive is used for non-progressive conditional
[3/15/2015 9:51:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: for imperfect and progressive
[3/15/2015 9:52:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: the participle by itself (Without vya) is used for present, past and future progressive
[3/15/2015 9:52:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: the participle+Vyais used for perfect conditional
[3/15/2015 9:52:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: vya*
[3/15/2015 9:52:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: and the infinitive is used for progressive conditional
[3/15/2015 9:52:47 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Ar manlaval” I am swimming
[3/15/2015 9:52:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Avy manlaval” I have been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:53:15 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Ar manlavem” I was swimming
[3/15/2015 9:53:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Ar manlavemah” I will be swimming
[3/15/2015 9:53:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Avy manlavem” I had been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:53:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Avy manlavemah” I will have been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:54:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Avy manlava” I would be swimming
[3/15/2015 9:55:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: “Avy unmanlava.” I would have been swimming
[3/15/2015 9:56:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: “My manlaval” I  have swum
[3/15/2015 9:56:29 PM] Puppy Bigby: “My manlava” I would have swum
[3/15/2015 9:57:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: sorry
[3/15/2015 9:57:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: “My manlava” I would swim
[3/15/2015 9:57:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: “My unmanlava” I would have swum
[3/15/2015 9:57:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: for conditional
[3/15/2015 9:57:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: Vya/Ya+Past infinitive is used
[3/15/2015 9:57:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: when using perfect conditional
[3/15/2015 9:58:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: when using present conditional
[3/15/2015 9:58:06 PM] Puppy Bigby: the present infinitive is used
[3/15/2015 9:59:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yeah
[3/15/2015 9:59:03 PM] Puppy Bigby: modal verbs
[3/15/2015 9:59:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: Vya = imperfect auxiliary verb
[3/15/2015 9:59:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ya = perfect auxiliary verb
[3/15/2015 9:59:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: Dya = Shall
[3/15/2015 10:00:30 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm. i can def dissect most of it on first glance, looking between the phrases you provided
[3/15/2015 10:00:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: rya = must
[3/15/2015 10:00:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: nuva = may
[3/15/2015 10:03:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: gya = dare
[3/15/2015 10:03:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: conjugation i haven’t decided upon yet
[3/15/2015 10:03:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: well for the new ones i mean
[3/15/2015 10:03:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: nuva is conjugated regularly
[3/15/2015 10:04:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: vya and ya are irregular verbs
[3/15/2015 10:04:34 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mm
[3/15/2015 10:05:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. while nuva is nuva, nuvan, nuvas, nuvaan, nuv, nuvir, nuva
[3/15/2015 10:05:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: Ya is ya, my, ny, nyel, ysi/ysa/ys, ely
[3/15/2015 10:06:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: Vya is vya, avy, vyn, vynel, ivys/avys/vys, elvy, vya
[3/15/2015 10:07:02 PM] Puppy Bigby: fyi, y is always pronounced as a strong i “eye”
[3/15/2015 10:08:49 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmkay
[3/15/2015 10:18:26 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: so to clarify in those example phrases, to see if i’m understanding this correctly 'avy’ and my’ indicate imperfect and perfect ('swimming’ vs. 'swum’)? and the conjugation of the verb itself is in regards to the specific tense?
[3/15/2015 10:18:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: yes
[3/15/2015 10:18:45 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: okay cool
[3/15/2015 10:18:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: again, still nailing down grammar and mechanics
[3/15/2015 10:19:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: so how it works may change
[3/15/2015 10:19:05 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right, of course
[3/15/2015 10:21:06 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i’m not as familiar with your conlang as you are yet, obviously, but after looking at the examples, i can pretty clearly see the meanings of the morphemes between each one, though, so i think what you have so far is awesome
[3/15/2015 10:21:42 PM] Puppy Bigby: ^.^
[3/15/2015 10:21:52 PM] Puppy Bigby: yea i’m trying to introduce morphemes nad morphological rules
[3/15/2015 10:21:56 PM] Puppy Bigby: since the bioware cipher has, pretty much, none
[3/15/2015 10:22:05 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha right
[3/15/2015 10:22:40 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve added possessive genitives (-an, -es, -re)
[3/15/2015 10:22:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: suffixes that created adjectives, nouns, adverbs, etc
[3/15/2015 10:23:28 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[3/15/2015 10:23:35 PM] Puppy Bigby: (-ast, -athe, -elan, -sh/-ash, -sha, -the, -un)
[3/15/2015 10:24:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. -ast creates an adjective from a noun or verb which means “characterized by or inclined to”
[3/15/2015 10:24:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. linast = bloody
[3/15/2015 10:24:36 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhh mmkay
[3/15/2015 10:25:14 PM] Puppy Bigby: -the and -athe create nouns meaning either an action of a verb, or physical manifestation of a noun/adverb/adjective
[3/15/2015 10:25:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. dinathe = the dead
[3/15/2015 10:25:27 PM] Puppy Bigby: dunathe = being
[3/15/2015 10:25:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: ebalathe = mourning, grievance
[3/15/2015 10:25:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: emaronathe = comparison
[3/15/2015 10:26:00 PM] Puppy Bigby: isathe = hunger
[3/15/2015 10:26:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: panathe = battle
[3/15/2015 10:26:34 PM] Puppy Bigby: seithe = skin
[3/15/2015 10:26:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: coming from the verb seia = to peel, to skin
[3/15/2015 10:27:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, it should technically be seiathe
[3/15/2015 10:27:30 PM] Puppy Bigby: but i came up with seithe first
[3/15/2015 10:27:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: so sue me
[3/15/2015 10:27:44 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha
[3/15/2015 10:28:07 PM] Puppy Bigby: -sh/-ash crate a physical noun meaning the product or noun variation of a verb
[3/15/2015 10:29:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: this would be so much easier if my conlang program had a decent spreadsheet export
[3/15/2015 10:29:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: sigh
[3/15/2015 10:29:31 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah :/
[3/15/2015 10:30:09 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: do you pretty much have to copy paste to a separate spreadsheet?
[3/15/2015 10:30:20 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: or insert directly into a spreadsheet?
[3/15/2015 10:30:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: basically
[3/15/2015 10:30:34 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: man
[3/15/2015 10:30:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: so yeah
[3/15/2015 10:30:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: not doing that
[3/15/2015 10:30:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: sicne i’m gonna hve to write them all out for the lexicon anyway
[3/15/2015 10:30:54 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right hahaha
[3/15/2015 10:38:10 PM] Puppy Bigby: doo doo doo
[3/15/2015 10:38:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’m creating the beginnings of the lexion on AO3
[3/15/2015 10:38:28 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhhh cool
[3/15/2015 10:38:31 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): :D
[3/15/2015 10:38:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: i figure since people will be using it in Fan Fiction
[3/15/2015 10:38:57 PM] Puppy Bigby: and not all of them will be on Tumblr
[3/15/2015 10:39:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s easier to update it both on tumblr and ao3
[3/15/2015 10:39:11 PM] Puppy Bigby: so they can just link to that
[3/15/2015 10:39:45 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm. it’ll be an easy bookmark to refer to for writers often on AO3
[3/15/2015 10:39:57 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Yeah.
[3/15/2015 10:40:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Trust me having it on AO3 is the most genius idea.
[3/15/2015 10:40:16 PM] Puppy Bigby: yup
[3/15/2015 10:40:28 PM] Puppy Bigby: i would post it on livejournal too
[3/15/2015 10:40:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: except it’s not 2006
[3/15/2015 10:40:37 PM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha
[3/15/2015 10:44:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ll have a few main works
[3/15/2015 10:44:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: #1: a collection of my posts on tumblr
[3/15/2015 10:44:22 PM] Puppy Bigby: #2: the lexicon itself
[3/15/2015 10:44:41 PM] Puppy Bigby: #3: a work dedicated to learning the language, and using it
[3/15/2015 10:44:54 PM] Puppy Bigby: separating it into 3, because otherwise it becomes information overload
[3/15/2015 10:44:57 PM | Edited 10:44:59 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): you are doing god’s work, in the words of my friend
[3/15/2015 10:45:01 PM] Puppy Bigby: :D
[3/15/2015 10:45:18 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I can’t tell you how many people in the writing community rave about your project
[3/15/2015 10:45:23 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): i actually can’t count them
[3/15/2015 10:45:36 PM] Puppy Bigby: try to tell me anyway
[3/15/2015 10:45:38 PM] Puppy Bigby: my ego isn’t big enough
[3/15/2015 10:45:49 PM] Puppy Bigby: stroke it
[3/15/2015 10:45:51 PM] Puppy Bigby: STROKE IT MILES
[3/15/2015 10:45:55 PM] Puppy Bigby: for miles
[3/15/2015 10:45:58 PM] Puppy Bigby: and miles
[3/15/2015 10:46:01 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): omfg
[3/15/2015 10:46:04 PM] Puppy Bigby: I CAN SEE FOR MILES AND MILES AND
[3/15/2015 10:46:09 PM] Puppy Bigby: what were we talking about?
[3/15/2015 10:47:45 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): my name is very conducive to puns
[3/15/2015 10:48:44 PM] Puppy Bigby: how od you make chapters on AO3?
[3/15/2015 10:48:48 PM] Puppy Bigby: do you do separate works?
[3/15/2015 10:49:07 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): You can add chapters to the work after you publish it
[3/15/2015 10:49:12 PM] Puppy Bigby: ah ok
[3/16/2015 12:45:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: http://archiveofourown.org/works/3553883/chapters/7825850 boom
[3/16/2015 12:46:12 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yesssssss
[3/16/2015 1:48:05 AM] nadaselgar: Perfect :D
[3/17/2015 7:15:39 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): I should be able to figure this out grrrr
[3/17/2015 7:16:08 PM] Puppy Bigby: figure what out?
[3/17/2015 7:16:20 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): your eyes are beautiful in elvhen
[3/17/2015 7:16:25 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): ha ha ha ha
[3/17/2015 7:16:35 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): mar is possessive you so in this case it would be mar right
[3/17/2015 7:16:40 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): and I know eyes are inan
[3/17/2015 7:17:17 PM] Puppy Bigby: mar inan ina'lan'ehn
[3/17/2015 7:17:41 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): bless you
[3/17/2015 7:18:06 PM] Fen'Harel Enasalin (Miles): Solas needs to tell her that her eyes are beautiful without her knowing what he’s saying to move along the plot
[3/19/2015 8:52:31 PM] nadaselgar: CANAVARIS??
[3/19/2015 8:52:44 PM] nadaselgar: ELFROOT IS ESSENTIALLY THEDAS CANNABIS, ISN’T IT?
[3/19/2015 11:54:11 PM] Helig: So the fan folklore goes
[3/19/2015 11:54:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: it’s a fan theory
[3/19/2015 11:55:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: however, i wouldn’t assume the two are similar so much
[3/19/2015 11:55:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: but maybe
[3/19/2015 11:55:26 PM] Puppy Bigby: shrug
[3/20/2015 12:00:59 AM] nadaselgar: Well, I mean, Cannabis does help with seizures. and I think I read that it can affect cancer cells too.
[3/20/2015 12:01:02 AM] nadaselgar: So… who knows?
[3/20/2015 12:01:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: possible
[3/20/2015 12:04:17 AM] Helig: 8 )
[3/20/2015 12:04:30 AM] Helig: Elves, knowing a lot about
[3/20/2015 12:04:37 AM] Helig: Nature’s properties
[3/20/2015 12:04:55 AM] Helig: Of course know of this
[3/20/2015 12:05:01 AM] Helig: But I think elvhenan
[3/20/2015 12:05:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: now i’m just imaginging that one way the lower classes in elvhenan spent time
[3/20/2015 12:05:05 AM] Helig: And pantheon
[3/20/2015 12:05:09 AM] Puppy Bigby: was getting high on elfroot
[3/20/2015 12:05:11 AM] Helig: Had a shortage
[3/20/2015 12:05:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: and having orgies
[3/20/2015 12:05:25 AM] Helig: They were not chill enough
[3/20/2015 12:05:38 AM] Helig: Gdi mark
[3/20/2015 12:05:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[3/20/2015 12:07:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve headcanoned that the ancient elves were very laissez-faire about sex
[3/20/2015 12:09:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: da'din'sil'melana = the period of clear thoughts after an orgasm when a person is free from sexual desires
[3/20/2015 12:10:32 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’ve used every dirty term in your elvhen nsfw tonight probably sobs
[3/20/2015 12:10:34 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): curse this rp
[3/20/2015 12:10:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: bwahahah
[3/20/2015 12:11:20 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): sighs @ solavellan
[3/20/2015 12:11:50 AM] nadaselgar: -snorts-
[3/20/2015 12:12:02 AM] nadaselgar: Also I just did my first giveaway.
[3/20/2015 12:12:04 AM] nadaselgar: o 3o
[3/20/2015 12:12:05 AM] Helig: I am afraid I am stuck in Tolkien-ish views on elves
[3/20/2015 12:12:15 AM] nadaselgar: I’m like, I’m so conflicted about that.
[3/20/2015 12:12:30 AM] nadaselgar: Because part of me is like,“ELVES ARE TALL AND NOBLE AND WOULD NEVER BE TAKEN DOWN BY SHEMS.”
[3/20/2015 12:12:53 AM] nadaselgar: But then a part of me is like,“Thos fucking shems calling me a knife ear like I WILL STAB YOU WITH MY EARS YOU CUNT.”
[3/20/2015 12:13:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: rosa'nu'da'din'enal
[3/20/2015 12:13:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: the pain of an orgasm while you’re cumming but your partner keeps going, causing a mixture of both pleasure and aching pain.
[3/20/2015 12:13:27 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I have very distinct and not Tolkien-ish views on DA Elves.
[3/20/2015 12:14:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: nu'da'din'sal'mah
[3/20/2015 12:14:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: when you have orgasmed after sex or masturbating, but want to immediately go again.
[3/20/2015 12:14:49 AM] Helig: 1. I think that elves were once immortal.
2. That’s what brings me to a Tolkien-ish view on them.
3. Which doesn’t really apply to elves 'nowdays’.
[3/20/2015 12:14:49 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): HA HA HA solas in my rp
[3/20/2015 12:15:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: pala'tel'dirth'lath'in
[3/20/2015 12:15:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: the embarassing feeling when you are too scared to ask your partner for what will sexually pleasure you.
[3/20/2015 12:15:08 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): omfg
[3/20/2015 12:15:59 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): The elves were once immortal, it’s canon but I still see their societal structure as very different from Tolkien Elves.
[3/20/2015 12:16:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: edhis'harel'inan / edhas'harel'inan
[3/20/2015 12:16:34 AM] Puppy Bigby: the intense anxiety you get when you are afraid that your partner will find your genitals ugly
[3/20/2015 12:16:38 AM] Helig: Looks at the sky. Mark, you are literally fueling fan’s lemon powers with these, I hope you realize that.
[3/20/2015 12:16:39 AM] nadaselgar: [Friday, March 20, 2015 12:14 AM] Puppy Bigby:

<<< nu'da'din'sal'mahProbably what happens to me more often than not.
[3/20/2015 12:17:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: nu'da'din'sal'mah is specifically geared towards an orgasm that wasn’t satisfying enough, and so you still feel unsatisfied/horny
[3/20/2015 12:17:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: but can be used anytime you’ve orgasmed and want to immediately go again
[3/20/2015 12:17:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: it literally means pain of small death again ahead.
[3/20/2015 12:18:22 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): omfg
[3/20/2015 12:18:30 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i love literal translations
[3/20/2015 12:18:46 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): your flavor very good)
[3/20/2015 12:18:47 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): like this one
[3/20/2015 12:18:52 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I laughed for 30 years
[3/20/2015 12:19:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[3/20/2015 12:19:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: the beauty of agglutinative languages
[3/20/2015 12:21:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: har'reun'an
[3/20/2015 12:22:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: the awkward feeling when you are afraid that your partner will not like where you want to cum.
[3/20/2015 12:22:21 AM] nadaselgar: I have a challenge for you
[3/20/2015 12:22:21 AM] nadaselgar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILBAIpmJ_Zk&ab_channel=SalmonZilla
[3/20/2015 12:22:24 AM] nadaselgar: Translate that.
[3/20/2015 12:23:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: har'reun'sul'in
[3/20/2015 12:23:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: the awkward feeling when you are afraid that your partner will ask to cum somewhere you don’t want them to
[3/20/2015 12:24:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: i am not translating that
[3/20/2015 12:24:32 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): omfg
[3/20/2015 12:26:00 AM] nadaselgar: Aw :c
[3/20/2015 12:26:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: HILDA SPASMED WITH SO MANY ORGASMS
[3/20/2015 12:26:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: so many of the orgasm
[3/20/2015 12:27:40 AM] nadaselgar: Wait until the end.
[3/20/2015 12:27:43 AM] nadaselgar: The end is the best part.
[3/20/2015 12:27:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: yeah i watched the whole thing
[3/20/2015 12:28:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: the sound of galloping abs
[3/20/2015 12:28:07 AM] nadaselgar: That line
[3/20/2015 12:28:09 AM] nadaselgar: Is perfect.
[3/20/2015 12:28:12 AM] nadaselgar: Just translate that line.
[3/20/2015 12:28:14 AM] nadaselgar: Please.
[3/20/2015 12:28:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i have been meaning to buy that book simply for the shits and giggles for the longest time
[3/20/2015 12:30:10 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and i will be highly disappointed if someone on tumblr doesn’t have the username buttermilk-bosoms
[3/20/2015 12:30:27 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): omfg
[3/20/2015 12:31:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: e'sha'reun'rodhe
[3/20/2015 12:31:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: the happy surprise when your partner’s cum tastes good
[3/20/2015 12:32:49 AM] nadaselgar: …. How do you even come up with some of these???
[3/20/2015 12:32:57 AM] nadaselgar: Maybe it’s just the almost-virgin in me talking.
[3/20/2015 12:32:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: magic
[3/20/2015 12:33:02 AM] nadaselgar: But that thing is EVEN A THING?
[3/20/2015 12:33:04 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): It is pretty remarkable.
[3/20/2015 12:33:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: and knwing how the words fit together
[3/20/2015 12:33:15 AM] Puppy Bigby: language works really just like building blocks
[3/20/2015 12:33:17 AM] nadaselgar: No, I mean just the existence of the concepts.
[3/20/2015 12:33:19 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m an Actual Virgin.
[3/20/2015 12:33:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: oh
[3/20/2015 12:33:25 AM] nadaselgar: I’m not a virgin.
[3/20/2015 12:33:26 AM] nadaselgar: But like.
[3/20/2015 12:33:30 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): But I’ve done research.
[3/20/2015 12:33:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: i am the opposite of a virgin
[3/20/2015 12:33:31 AM] nadaselgar: That’s a thing????
[3/20/2015 12:33:36 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: put together awkward sex experiences and think of all the awkward moments and come up with terms for them? xD
[3/20/2015 12:33:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: plus i’ve read a lot about sex
[3/20/2015 12:33:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: a lot.
[3/20/2015 12:33:48 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Yeah.
[3/20/2015 12:33:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: so experience+knowledge
[3/20/2015 12:33:58 AM] nadaselgar: You know you’ve had bad sex when you get off better alone….
[3/20/2015 12:33:59 AM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/20/2015 12:34:25 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha i know the feeling
[3/20/2015 12:34:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: either that or you’re really good at pleasuring yourself
[3/20/2015 12:34:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: the problem is that in many cultures
[3/20/2015 12:34:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: the idea of needing to be a good lover
[3/20/2015 12:34:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: is no longer a priority
[3/20/2015 12:34:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s all me me me me me me me
[3/20/2015 12:35:01 AM] nadaselgar: … TBH it’s probably the second one.
[3/20/2015 12:35:04 AM] nadaselgar: But like.
[3/20/2015 12:35:11 AM] nadaselgar: I seriously enjoy giving oral.
[3/20/2015 12:35:12 AM] nadaselgar: So.
[3/20/2015 12:35:17 AM] nadaselgar: That’s technically kinda memememe too
[3/20/2015 12:35:25 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I have this idea that Elvhen culture values good lovers
[3/20/2015 12:35:32 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): idk why
[3/20/2015 12:35:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: well i wouldn’t call enjoying giving oral as 'me me me me me’
[3/20/2015 12:35:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m talking about just caring about your own orgasm
[3/20/2015 12:35:48 AM] nadaselgar: I have this idea that Elvhen culture was really sexually open.
[3/20/2015 12:35:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: and on average
[3/20/2015 12:35:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: women usually care about giving the guy orgasm
[3/20/2015 12:35:57 AM] nadaselgar: And that they rarely even wore clothes on their tops.
[3/20/2015 12:36:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: than the guy is about giving the girl orgasm
[3/20/2015 12:36:04 AM] nadaselgar: And rich people just wore soft and flowy skirts.
[3/20/2015 12:36:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: in straight relationships anyway
[3/20/2015 12:36:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Ha ha ha I care about my partner’s orgasm - or I will when I have one I cn actually sleep with.
[3/20/2015 12:36:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: at the end of the day
[3/20/2015 12:37:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s about getting to know the persons’s body
[3/20/2015 12:37:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: which isn’t a hard or time consuming process
[3/20/2015 12:37:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: but so many people just want to have their orgasm and call it a day
[3/20/2015 12:37:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: that they aren’t interested
[3/20/2015 12:37:40 AM] nadaselgar: I like sex too much to just want to get it over with.
[3/20/2015 12:37:47 AM] nadaselgar: Let’s get some toys and make a night of it.
[3/20/2015 12:37:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: well i’m the same way
[3/20/2015 12:37:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m not saying most people rae that way
[3/20/2015 12:38:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: but many are
[3/20/2015 12:38:26 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): ???? that makes no sense
[3/20/2015 12:38:29 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): like
[3/20/2015 12:38:38 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): why wouldn’t you want to draw your pleasure out
[3/20/2015 12:38:43 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and the pleasure of your partner
[3/20/2015 12:38:47 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): is it not more enjoyable that way
[3/20/2015 12:38:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: shrug
[3/20/2015 12:38:51 AM] nadaselgar: It… can be torturous to make someone… wait longer.
[3/20/2015 12:38:53 AM] nadaselgar: But like.
[3/20/2015 12:38:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: it is more enjoyable that way
[3/20/2015 12:38:56 AM] nadaselgar: Worth it in the end.
[3/20/2015 12:39:11 AM] nadaselgar: I really don’t even get it tbh.
[3/20/2015 12:39:14 AM] nadaselgar: Like -shrug-
[3/20/2015 12:39:17 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): good to know i’m not crazy
[3/20/2015 12:39:21 AM] nadaselgar: Let’s just all meet up and have an elfy orgy.
[3/20/2015 12:39:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: hahaha
[3/20/2015 12:39:28 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): HA HA HA HA HA
[3/20/2015 12:39:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: sounds like a plan
[3/20/2015 12:39:42 AM] nadaselgar: Mr. Linguist can spend the entire night speaking in Elven.
[3/20/2015 12:39:49 AM] nadaselgar: That’ll get most of us off right there, I reckon.
[3/20/2015 12:39:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: somebody will have to get me off then
[3/20/2015 12:40:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: and get me some whisky
[3/20/2015 12:40:28 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): oh yeah i’m getting drunk for the first time this weekened
[3/20/2015 12:40:29 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i forgot
[3/20/2015 12:40:38 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): it will be good experience just so I can write about it better
[3/20/2015 12:40:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: don’t mix drinks if you can help it
[3/20/2015 12:40:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: rather, don’t mix drink types
[3/20/2015 12:41:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: i used to drink so much when i was younger
[3/20/2015 12:41:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: it was ridiculous
[3/20/2015 12:41:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: i would put down entire bottles in a night
[3/20/2015 12:41:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: nowadays, it’s usually just a few drinks
[3/20/2015 12:41:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: not that I never drunk
[3/20/2015 12:41:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i don’t drink to get drunk anymore
[3/20/2015 12:41:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: when i was in college
[3/20/2015 12:42:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: i used to just put jack and coke in a 2 liter
[3/20/2015 12:42:05 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m 22 and have had literally a half a shot in my entire life.
[3/20/2015 12:42:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: and walk around drinking it
[3/20/2015 12:42:23 AM] nadaselgar: …
[3/20/2015 12:42:32 AM] nadaselgar: I’m 20, and have had my share of alcohol.
[3/20/2015 12:42:39 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I live in Wisconsin. That’s pretty impressive, considering.
[3/20/2015 12:42:46 AM] nadaselgar: …. I live in Utah.
[3/20/2015 12:42:52 AM] nadaselgar: Mormons..
[3/20/2015 12:42:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: in 29
[3/20/2015 12:42:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: i win?
[3/20/2015 12:43:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m*
[3/20/2015 12:43:13 AM] nadaselgar: You do win.
[3/20/2015 12:43:14 AM] nadaselgar: ;-;
[3/20/2015 12:43:23 AM] nadaselgar: I’d drink so much more if I could though.
[3/20/2015 12:43:24 AM] nadaselgar: Like.
[3/20/2015 12:43:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: i has experience
[3/20/2015 12:43:26 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i drank a lot at parties in college to get drunk. but then senior year, i feel like i got bored of it bc i would get invited to them and be like “ehhhhhhhhhhhh…or i could just not leave my apartment, stay in my pajamas, and watch netflix?”
[3/20/2015 12:43:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: and pudge
[3/20/2015 12:43:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: don’t pay attention to the pudge
[3/20/2015 12:43:32 AM] nadaselgar: I will become an alcoholic once I turn 21.
[3/20/2015 12:43:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: i started cutting down
[3/20/2015 12:43:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: because i realized i was gonna become an alcoholic if I did’t
[3/20/2015 12:44:12 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: these days, i just like having a glass of wine if i have a particularly rough day at work
[3/20/2015 12:44:35 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i did go to a retreat with my choral group from college and they go hard when it comes to alcohol and it was a definite reminder of how low my tolerance has become
[3/20/2015 12:44:38 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I live in the county with the highest binge drinking rate in Wisconsin
[3/20/2015 12:44:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, my tolerance is much lower than it used to be
[3/20/2015 12:44:52 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and once again another reminder of why mixing drinks will make you feel out of control
[3/20/2015 12:45:00 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: bc we throw that rule out the window :x
[3/20/2015 12:45:12 AM] nadaselgar: https://www.etsy.com/listing/213669131/vintage-harry-potter-slytherin-school?ref=sr_gallery_26&ga_search_query=slytherin&ga_page=3&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery
[3/20/2015 12:45:46 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: water between drinks helps, and sometimes my friends take b12 before (sometimes after too if it’s a lot of alcohol) for the hangover headache
[3/20/2015 12:46:40 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I plan on drining water and eating during so yeah
[3/20/2015 12:46:50 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): It’s not like I’d go into something without doing research.
[3/20/2015 12:47:11 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha, just making sure. i know too many ppl who didn’t do research beforehand and got seriously messed up
[3/20/2015 12:47:32 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Yeah I’m like that one really cautious guy.
[3/20/2015 12:47:43 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha good good
[3/20/2015 12:48:15 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: first time i seriously drank, i took way too many shots of smirnoff green apple vodka on an empty stomach. dumb as hell move on my part. got my first hangover from that
[3/20/2015 12:48:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and i still can’t drink that particular brand/flavor of vodka, or stand anything that smells like it. roommates once bought dish soap that smelled like it and it did not motivate me to do my dishes at all -___-’
[3/20/2015 12:48:53 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): [Friday, March 20, 2015 12:48 AM] Revwinlas (Elwin):

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[3/20/2015 12:48:59 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): what the heck was that
[3/20/2015 12:49:01 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): okay
[3/20/2015 12:49:03 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): yeah that
[3/20/2015 12:49:06 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i have that but with onion rings
[3/20/2015 12:49:13 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oh really? :o
[3/20/2015 12:49:20 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): yeah
[3/20/2015 12:49:31 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i got sick after eating onion rings at a fair once
[3/20/2015 12:49:35 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i haven’t been able to touch them since
[3/20/2015 12:49:38 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): sobs i just had solas use iambic in bed
[3/20/2015 12:49:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: aw man
[3/20/2015 12:49:44 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): my depravity knows no bounds
[3/20/2015 12:49:50 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahahahahahaha
[3/20/2015 12:50:14 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: he’d totally be the kind of fucker to do that too, the nerd. xD
[3/20/2015 12:50:22 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): He would :)
[3/20/2015 12:50:24 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): he is a nerd
[3/20/2015 12:50:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: pfft
[3/20/2015 12:50:44 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I have a lot of really stupid solas headcanons
[3/20/2015 12:52:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m not gay, but god I have a man crush on markiplier
[3/20/2015 12:52:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: psst: the joke is that i’m bi
[3/20/2015 12:52:25 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahahaha
[3/20/2015 12:52:27 AM] nadaselgar: My first time getting drunk I did 14 shots of rum with juice as a chaser between each one.
[3/20/2015 12:52:31 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m ?????
[3/20/2015 12:52:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: hahaha, you should write that on a sign
[3/20/2015 12:52:42 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: damn hahahaha
[3/20/2015 12:52:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: “what’s your sexual orientation?”
[3/20/2015 12:52:52 AM] nadaselgar: Then I puked 6 times, had sex with my friend’s brother, passed out, woke up at 7am, and rode my bike home, then went back to bed.
[3/20/2015 12:52:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: “*hold up sign that says, ????? written in magic marker*”
[3/20/2015 12:53:03 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): perfect
[3/20/2015 12:53:05 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: damn lolololol
[3/20/2015 12:53:13 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): everyone has lived such wild lives
[3/20/2015 12:53:15 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and here I am like
[3/20/2015 12:53:25 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): “I once phoned a girl into school sick while pretending to be her mom”
[3/20/2015 12:53:30 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: that first hangover was on the day of my midterm, but that’s the most drama that came out of it
[3/20/2015 12:53:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): “I’ve also forged several permission slips”
[3/20/2015 12:53:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha!
[3/20/2015 12:54:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: i spilled coffee on a mayor
[3/20/2015 12:54:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: who then bought me whiskey
[3/20/2015 12:54:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: because he was sad about making me spill my coffee on him
[3/20/2015 12:54:52 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahahaha awwww
[3/20/2015 12:55:10 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I once had a substitute teacher tell me he wanted to dissect my brain
[3/20/2015 12:55:18 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I got him fired because his behavior was creepy
[3/20/2015 12:55:20 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): on several counts
[3/20/2015 12:55:25 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oooooo…
[3/20/2015 12:55:45 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I also used to pick fights with people for picking on the special ed kids but never got caught
[3/20/2015 12:55:51 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I once threw rocks at some bullies
[3/20/2015 12:56:02 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and then framed them for staring a fight
[3/20/2015 12:56:08 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): because none of the teachers would ever suspect me to lie
[3/20/2015 12:56:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: i wrecked a kid for making fun of one of my friends
[3/20/2015 12:56:20 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yes. good.
[3/20/2015 12:56:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: t othis day i’m surprised i never got suspended
[3/20/2015 12:56:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: now to give you some context
[3/20/2015 12:56:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m a third degree black belt
[3/20/2015 12:56:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: when i hit
[3/20/2015 12:56:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: i don’t hurt you
[3/20/2015 12:56:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: i injure you
[3/20/2015 12:57:00 AM] Puppy Bigby: i broke his jaw and his nose
[3/20/2015 12:57:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: and he ended up needing stiches
[3/20/2015 12:57:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: from what i heard through the grapevine
[3/20/2015 12:57:16 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): oh my god
[3/20/2015 12:57:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: damn
[3/20/2015 12:57:19 AM] Puppy Bigby: is his parents never pressed charges
[3/20/2015 12:57:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: because they felt like he needed the lesson
[3/20/2015 12:57:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: he was a jock
[3/20/2015 12:57:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmm
[3/20/2015 12:57:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: felt that he was above the law, because none of the teachers would touch him
[3/20/2015 12:57:35 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I gave a kid a concussion with my book bag once
[3/20/2015 12:57:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: because he was the star hockey player
[3/20/2015 12:57:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: and one day he was basically pushing one of my buddies around
[3/20/2015 12:57:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i lost it
[3/20/2015 12:57:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: this is back in high school
[3/20/2015 12:57:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: when i had a very bad temper
[3/20/2015 12:57:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve mellowed A LOT since then
[3/20/2015 12:58:25 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i had a similar story in middle school, though it’s lame in comparison (or just lame in general, whenever i tell it to people)
[3/20/2015 12:58:55 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: one of my friends used to get picked on everyday by some girls in p.e.. my best friend and i had p.e. the same period as her but different classes
[3/20/2015 12:59:53 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and i was having a really bad day when those girls followed us out of the locker room to taunt my friend and i ended up just snapping and turning around kicking her in the kneecap and slapping her across the face. one of the p.e. teachers was right fucking there so idk why she didn’t say anything
[3/20/2015 1:00:46 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: the girl i slapped, the “leader,” shoved my face into a locker and then told the vice principal. the girl proceeded to keep changing her story on what happened and whether she even knew my friend. and the vice principal didn’t like me anyway so she gave me saturday school
[3/20/2015 1:01:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: my parents flipped out about me getting saturday detention and i got targeted by those girls afterwards, but at least they didn’t pick on my friend after that
[3/20/2015 1:01:39 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): The only time I really physically attacked someone head on was the time that these jocks
[3/20/2015 1:01:48 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Hockey Jocks/Basketball Jocks
[3/20/2015 1:01:57 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): who were the big ones at my school.
[3/20/2015 1:02:19 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Well they were mocking my friends Amber and Bridget who are special ed girls.
[3/20/2015 1:02:42 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m a 5’ out of shape sweater wearing transman with vision so bad I’m impaired severely without my glasses
[3/20/2015 1:03:02 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): but I carry around these huge bags full of extracurricular books plus all my regular books
[3/20/2015 1:03:09 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and I see them tormenting my friends
[3/20/2015 1:03:16 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and I walk up to their leader and call him out on it
[3/20/2015 1:03:27 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and he doesn’t listen because of course he picks on me too
[3/20/2015 1:03:28 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): so I just
[3/20/2015 1:03:31 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I hit him in the head
[3/20/2015 1:03:35 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): with my bookbag
[3/20/2015 1:04:00 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I concussed him I found out later through the grape vine but he lied and said it happened in gym because he was humiliated that I took him out
[3/20/2015 1:04:05 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): after that no one fucked with me
[3/20/2015 1:04:15 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: damn right
[3/20/2015 1:11:06 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): it has to be weird to hear your lover say your fake name during sex
[3/20/2015 1:11:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s unlikely that the pantheon’s names are their given names
[3/20/2015 1:11:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: solas could be his birthname
[3/20/2015 1:11:57 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): hm I don’t really know that that’s his birthname
[3/20/2015 1:12:02 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I still think it’s his alias
[3/20/2015 1:12:13 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): but I agree with you about those not being their birthnames
[3/20/2015 1:12:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): he’s still probably been fen'harel longer than he’s been anyone else
[3/20/2015 1:23:29 AM] nadaselgar: I got bullied…. But like. Yeah nothing that’s the end of that.
[3/20/2015 1:23:33 AM] nadaselgar: You guys are cooler than I.
[3/20/2015 1:23:33 AM] nadaselgar: XD
[3/20/2015 1:24:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Pft.
[3/20/2015 1:24:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol idk about that
[3/20/2015 1:24:46 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m a boring fat nerd who is really weird
[3/20/2015 1:24:47 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: at least not from me
[3/20/2015 1:28:28 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m sure interesting
[3/20/2015 1:28:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: actually i’m really not
[3/20/2015 1:28:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: i drink too much coffee, i’m horny all the time and I don’t exercise enough
[3/20/2015 1:28:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: also i like languages
[3/20/2015 1:31:03 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): i drink too much tea, i suffer from a severe untreated anxiety disorder and am more or less in a perpetual state of being annoyed
[3/20/2015 1:31:08 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): but i am very good at writing
[3/20/2015 1:34:42 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i am an indecisive piece of shit who needs to grow up and has too many goals and interests and too much stubbornness to pursue just one of them
[3/20/2015 1:35:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: ha
[3/20/2015 1:35:29 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: and wishes “how to adult” had been a required class in high school/college
[3/20/2015 1:35:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): it was for me
[3/20/2015 1:35:39 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): it didn’t help
[3/20/2015 1:35:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: ha
[3/20/2015 1:36:15 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: project elvhen: a language team, a fun place to hangout, and support group all in one! :P
[3/20/2015 1:36:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: truth
[3/20/2015 1:36:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: don’t forget orgy planner
[3/20/2015 1:36:35 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): lol oh my god my homework for my tort law
[3/20/2015 1:36:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): is always like
[3/20/2015 1:37:01 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): JOHN DOE FORGOT THE LAST 15 YEARS OF HIS LIFE BECAUSE OF MALPRATICE HE REMEMBERS NOTHING
[3/20/2015 1:37:01 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): or
[3/20/2015 1:37:03 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): this week
[3/20/2015 1:37:04 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: -scribbles on the flyer- “and sometimes we have orgies!”
[3/20/2015 1:37:09 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): MARTY HAD BAD CONTACT LENSES AND WENT BLIND
[3/20/2015 1:37:52 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): so many typos
[3/20/2015 1:37:53 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I want to die
[3/20/2015 1:38:28 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol, unedited typos in published works is one of my pet peeves
[3/20/2015 1:38:37 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): s a me
[3/20/2015 1:38:41 AM] Puppy Bigby: everybody makes typos
[3/20/2015 1:38:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: whichb is why it’s never a good excuse to have typos in a published work
[3/20/2015 1:42:37 AM] nadaselgar: http://nadas-elgar-lavellan.tumblr.com/post/114107032966/time-for-a-give-away
[3/20/2015 1:44:52 AM] nadaselgar: OH.
[3/20/2015 1:44:57 AM] nadaselgar: THAT REMINDS ME.
[3/20/2015 1:44:58 AM] nadaselgar: I wanted advice.
[3/20/2015 1:45:06 AM] nadaselgar: Since you’re the 'expert’ on Elven.
[3/20/2015 1:45:14 AM] nadaselgar: Elizabeth means 'Oath to God’.
[3/20/2015 1:45:24 AM] nadaselgar: Which I translated to Nadas'Elgar.
[3/20/2015 1:45:37 AM] nadaselgar: So technically my quizzie’s name is Nadas'Elgar, or Naela as a nickname.
[3/20/2015 1:45:50 AM] nadaselgar: Unless you have a better way to translate that, which you prlly do
[3/20/2015 1:45:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: that would be inevitable spirit
[3/20/2015 1:46:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: or unavoidable spirit
[3/20/2015 1:46:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: oath to god would depend on what word for god you wanted to use
[3/20/2015 1:46:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: since there is no word in the elvhen language that means 'god’
[3/20/2015 1:46:53 AM] nadaselgar: Yeah.
[3/20/2015 1:47:06 AM] nadaselgar: I chose Elgar because the head of the pantheon is Elgar'nan.
[3/20/2015 1:47:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: oath is dir'vhen'an
[3/20/2015 1:47:18 AM] nadaselgar: And Nadas showed up as Oath or Promise in canon. o-o
[3/20/2015 1:47:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: remember that elvhen is a cipher
[3/20/2015 1:47:57 AM] Puppy Bigby: and the wiki is edited by fans who, judging by their 'deconstructions’
[3/20/2015 1:48:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: don’t know much about linguistics
[3/20/2015 1:48:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: words don’t change inherent meanings
[3/20/2015 1:48:29 AM] nadaselgar: Inevitable, but then it also says “Expression of Obligation”.
[3/20/2015 1:48:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: having nadas mean destiny as well as unavoidable? okay
[3/20/2015 1:48:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: but having it also be the modal verb must?
[3/20/2015 1:48:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: no.
[3/20/2015 1:48:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: language doens’t work that way
[3/20/2015 1:48:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: doesn’t*
[3/20/2015 1:48:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: it’s kind of like saying
[3/20/2015 1:48:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: that car is purple
[3/20/2015 1:48:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: purple is a color
[3/20/2015 1:49:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: therefore colors are cars
[3/20/2015 1:49:15 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): welp
[3/20/2015 1:49:16 AM] nadaselgar: -snorts-
[3/20/2015 1:49:20 AM] nadaselgar: Well, I mean.
[3/20/2015 1:49:25 AM] nadaselgar: Cars ARE colors.
[3/20/2015 1:49:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: no they aren’t
[3/20/2015 1:49:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: they have colors
[3/20/2015 1:49:35 AM] nadaselgar: They’re just not just colors.
[3/20/2015 1:49:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: big different ;)
[3/20/2015 1:49:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: difference*
[3/20/2015 1:49:40 AM] nadaselgar: Pfffft.
[3/20/2015 1:49:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: you have to remember
[3/20/2015 1:49:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: that a large amount of spoken english
[3/20/2015 1:49:49 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: it also makes me simply wonder how many ppl have questioned the deconstructions on there. i feel like they’d be downright confusing meanings even for ppl without linguistics knowledge
[3/20/2015 1:49:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: is colloquial
[3/20/2015 1:50:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: i haven’t bothered
[3/20/2015 1:50:02 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): ah colloquialisms
[3/20/2015 1:50:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: as I’ve said, elvhen in the games is a cipher
[3/20/2015 1:50:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: trying to truly deconstruct the phrases
[3/20/2015 1:50:19 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: like “it means this?! but then why does it also mean this completely different thing?!” xD
[3/20/2015 1:50:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: is kind of like trying to suck a soccerball through a straw
[3/20/2015 1:50:28 AM] nadaselgar: Then how would you turn 'Elizabeth’ into an elven name?
[3/20/2015 1:50:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: two main ways
[3/20/2015 1:50:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: you can either elvhenize it
[3/20/2015 1:50:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: Alesabeth
[3/20/2015 1:51:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: or you can do a full translation
[3/20/2015 1:51:07 AM] nadaselgar: Eugh.
[3/20/2015 1:51:31 AM] nadaselgar: Well, I already made a backstory for WHY her name means “Oath to God/Elgar'nan”
[3/20/2015 1:51:35 AM] nadaselgar: So might as well do that.
[3/20/2015 1:51:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: which would be dir'vhen'an+elgar/tuelan/raj
[3/20/2015 1:52:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: or shivasathe+elgar/tuelan/raj
[3/20/2015 1:52:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: and as i’ve mentioned in previos naming posts
[3/20/2015 1:52:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: the inherent meanings are usually given, not immediately understood
[3/20/2015 1:53:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: i.e. “Ahn sulevas?” is most likely a common replacement of, “Ahn mar melin?”
[3/20/2015 1:53:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: “Ahn sulevas,” meaning “What does your name mean?” (literally “What do you mean?”)
[3/20/2015 1:53:37 AM] Puppy Bigby: and “Ahn mar melin,” Being “What is your name?”
[3/20/2015 1:53:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: so don’t worry too much about the 'meaning,’ of your name being inherent
[3/20/2015 1:54:05 AM] nadaselgar: -facedesks- Elven is hard.
[3/20/2015 1:54:19 AM] nadaselgar: How can I be so good at English and yet not understand language at all?
[3/20/2015 1:54:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: but elizabeth could translate into possible Dirvhelgar, Dirvhelan, Dirvheraj, Shivelgar, Shivaselan, Shivaraj, Rajshivasa, etc
[3/20/2015 1:55:16 AM] Puppy Bigby: there’s a difference between knowing a language
[3/20/2015 1:55:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: and knowing language
[3/20/2015 1:55:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: for example, I know language
[3/20/2015 1:55:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: but the only language I speak is English
[3/20/2015 1:55:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i know language
[3/20/2015 1:56:02 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yeah, language can be hard
[3/20/2015 1:56:06 AM] nadaselgar: ….Well, now her name would sound like her Vallaslin.
[3/20/2015 1:56:10 AM] nadaselgar: -flails-
[3/20/2015 1:56:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: so I know that the “Bababa ba?” is a perfectly coherent sentence in tagalog
[3/20/2015 1:56:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: yes it is xD
[3/20/2015 1:56:37 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: (and the answer is also “bababa ba” i think…i can’t remember how many bas"
[3/20/2015 1:56:46 AM] nadaselgar: Dear lord ;-;
[3/20/2015 1:57:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: as is Baabaa bababa ba?
[3/20/2015 1:57:10 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: (it’s like “is the elevator going down?” “yes it’s going down” or something like that)
[3/20/2015 1:57:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: i think the answer is just bababa
[3/20/2015 1:57:24 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: idk, i usually just spit out a bunch of bas and hope one of my friends corrects me xD
[3/20/2015 1:57:26 AM] nadaselgar: Let’s pick this one.
[3/20/2015 1:57:27 AM] nadaselgar: Rajshivasa
[3/20/2015 1:57:31 AM] nadaselgar: I think it sounds cool.
[3/20/2015 1:57:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: well there you go
[3/20/2015 1:57:40 AM] nadaselgar: Anything need to fiddle with it to make it a name name?
[3/20/2015 1:57:43 AM] nadaselgar: Or it that fine?
[3/20/2015 1:57:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: i already fiddled with it
[3/20/2015 1:57:50 AM] nadaselgar: Oh God,.
[3/20/2015 1:58:01 AM] nadaselgar: Now I have a Canon and to why no one calls her by her name.
[3/20/2015 1:58:08 AM] nadaselgar: And why they just call her,“Inquisitor.”
[3/20/2015 1:58:18 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: tagalog is unfortunately the language i understand the least, even after taking a class. wonderful, since i’m tagalog
[3/20/2015 1:58:19 AM] nadaselgar: Except Solas.
[3/20/2015 1:58:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: Rajshivasa would literally mean “Leader’s oath,” Or “oath to the leader.”
[3/20/2015 1:58:34 AM] nadaselgar: Hn,
[3/20/2015 1:58:38 AM] nadaselgar: No, that wouldn’t work.
[3/20/2015 1:58:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: tagalog is a wonderfully simplistic langauge
[3/20/2015 1:58:43 AM] Puppy Bigby: but confusing in its simplicity
[3/20/2015 1:58:46 AM] nadaselgar: I need something more religious.
[3/20/2015 1:58:54 AM] nadaselgar: That’s too… worldly.
[3/20/2015 1:59:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: you have to remember that elvhen is poetic
[3/20/2015 1:59:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: raj, leader
[3/20/2015 1:59:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: can mean ANY type of leader
[3/20/2015 1:59:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: spiritual, physical, or else
[3/20/2015 1:59:32 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: my friends always say if i were to visit the philippines, i’d be fluent in a month. learning it in a classroom is weird for me, though, at least the way my professor tried to explain conjugations
[3/20/2015 1:59:35 AM] nadaselgar: Hm.
[3/20/2015 1:59:39 AM] nadaselgar: What about Shivaselan
[3/20/2015 1:59:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i feel the way i learn it is more instinctual
[3/20/2015 1:59:43 AM] nadaselgar: What would it mean directly?
[3/20/2015 1:59:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: …
[3/20/2015 1:59:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: i just told you
[3/20/2015 1:59:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: leader’s oath
[3/20/2015 2:00:02 AM] Puppy Bigby: well
[3/20/2015 2:00:04 AM] nadaselgar: They mean the SAME?
[3/20/2015 2:00:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: literally to make an oath to the leader
[3/20/2015 2:00:12 AM] nadaselgar: -flailing intensifies-
[3/20/2015 2:00:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: is the fully literal translation
[3/20/2015 2:00:14 AM] nadaselgar: Alright.
[3/20/2015 2:00:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: as shivasa is a verb
[3/20/2015 2:00:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: but remember that leader in elvhen
[3/20/2015 2:00:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: has a myriad of meanings
[3/20/2015 2:00:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: all based upon inference
[3/20/2015 2:00:44 AM] Puppy Bigby: it could be a political leader
[3/20/2015 2:00:46 AM] nadaselgar: Yeah, they don’t even call their leaders leader, they call them keeper.
[3/20/2015 2:00:47 AM] Puppy Bigby: religious leader
[3/20/2015 2:00:47 AM] nadaselgar: So.
[3/20/2015 2:00:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: a god
[3/20/2015 2:00:50 AM] Puppy Bigby: a queen
[3/20/2015 2:00:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: king
[3/20/2015 2:00:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: a domineering parent
[3/20/2015 2:00:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
[3/20/2015 2:01:32 AM] Puppy Bigby: there is no word for god in elvhen
[3/20/2015 2:01:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: the closest you’re going to get to god
[3/20/2015 2:01:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: is tuelan
[3/20/2015 2:01:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: creator
[3/20/2015 2:01:50 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): tuelan is a wonderful word
[3/20/2015 2:01:53 AM] nadaselgar: It is.
[3/20/2015 2:01:57 AM] nadaselgar: The backstory might help.
[3/20/2015 2:02:31 AM] nadaselgar: Basically, her mom died giving birth to her, but instead of see her as a curse or anything, he sees it as like, he could’ve lost them both but he didn’t, so he’s kinda… making an oath to <diety>
[3/20/2015 2:02:42 AM] nadaselgar: But there isn’t a God for that I don’t think.
[3/20/2015 2:03:00 AM] nadaselgar: So I just did Elgar'Nan, as the 'father’ or leader of the Pantheon.
[3/20/2015 2:03:14 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Sylaise is considered the goddess of childbirth and anything domestic
[3/20/2015 2:03:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: well, i don’t mean to rain on your parade
[3/20/2015 2:03:26 AM] Puppy Bigby: but elgar'nan is the god of vengeance
[3/20/2015 2:03:26 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): to the Dalish
[3/20/2015 2:03:31 AM] nadaselgar: I know he is.
[3/20/2015 2:03:38 AM] nadaselgar: I was trying.
[3/20/2015 2:03:39 AM] Puppy Bigby: making an oath to him in such a fashion
[3/20/2015 2:03:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: in my mind
[3/20/2015 2:03:45 AM] nadaselgar: It was late at night like 3 months ago.
[3/20/2015 2:03:52 AM] Puppy Bigby: would be a bit weird, unless it meant to be an oath of vengeance
[3/20/2015 2:04:11 AM] nadaselgar: I thought of Sylaise as like…. for Cooking things. Like for the Harvest.
[3/20/2015 2:04:26 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): No.
[3/20/2015 2:04:27 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): She’s
[3/20/2015 2:04:32 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): the goddess of healing
[3/20/2015 2:04:36 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): vir atish'an
[3/20/2015 2:04:38 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): and all that
[3/20/2015 2:04:47 AM] nadaselgar: What’s Mythal the goddess of?
[3/20/2015 2:04:51 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Justice
[3/20/2015 2:04:57 AM] nadaselgar: <Excuse me while I become Canon Dalish Inquisitor>
[3/20/2015 2:04:58 AM] Puppy Bigby: protection and justice
[3/20/2015 2:05:20 AM] nadaselgar: What about what’s his face? The god of Death?
[3/20/2015 2:05:25 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Yeah Sylaise is the goddess of flame, doesmtic stuff, childbirth, the hearth
[3/20/2015 2:05:27 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Falon'Din
[3/20/2015 2:05:29 AM] nadaselgar: Would you give an oath to show him thanks?
[3/20/2015 2:05:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: you could go with Sylavasa or Shivasyla, or simply Shyla
[3/20/2015 2:05:35 AM] nadaselgar: For letting you keep your baby?
[3/20/2015 2:05:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: ehhh
[3/20/2015 2:05:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: the dalish don’t really view Falon'Din as a vengeful god
[3/20/2015 2:05:57 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): probably not – he’s a friend of the dead
[3/20/2015 2:05:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: they view him as a kind friend
[3/20/2015 2:06:02 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): he doesn’t take people away
[3/20/2015 2:06:05 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): he helps them when they die
[3/20/2015 2:06:06 AM] Puppy Bigby: right
[3/20/2015 2:06:17 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): the person you would blame for death
[3/20/2015 2:06:20 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): is fen'harel probably
[3/20/2015 2:06:21 AM] nadaselgar: >EXCEPT WE KNOW HE STARTED WARS, ASSHOLE< I mean yes kind friend
[3/20/2015 2:06:24 AM] nadaselgar: GFDI.
[3/20/2015 2:06:25 AM] nadaselgar: NO.
[3/20/2015 2:06:35 AM] nadaselgar: I WILL NOT HAVE A CHARACTER NAMED WITH FEN'HAREL IN MIND AT ALL.
[3/20/2015 2:06:42 AM] nadaselgar: HER BIRTH MONTH IS ALREADY SOLACE.
[3/20/2015 2:06:55 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I know which is why you should probably go with Sylaise the goddess of childbirth.
[3/20/2015 2:07:00 AM] nadaselgar: Alright.
[3/20/2015 2:07:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: you could go with Sylavasa or Shivasyla, or simply Shyla
[3/20/2015 2:07:19 AM] nadaselgar: [Friday, March 20, 2015 2:05 AM] Puppy Bigby:

<<< Shivasyla
[3/20/2015 2:07:25 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): dalish: something bad happened – BETTER BLAME FEN'HAREL
[3/20/2015 2:07:27 AM] nadaselgar: I don’t want it too simple.
[3/20/2015 2:07:35 AM] nadaselgar: Shyla sounds almost Shem to me.
[3/20/2015 2:08:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: well be careful about wanting your name to “sound elfy”
[3/20/2015 2:08:49 AM] Puppy Bigby: as phonetics like to play with each other
[3/20/2015 2:08:54 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Hm.
[3/20/2015 2:09:01 AM] Puppy Bigby: most people aren’t gonig to look at “Daniel”
[3/20/2015 2:09:07 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I named a character Fendhal and then realized it means wolf tree later on
[3/20/2015 2:09:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: and go, “Yeah, that’s hebrew”
[3/20/2015 2:15:55 AM] nadaselgar: Well, I mean, if you asked me, I’d say it was.
[3/20/2015 2:16:00 AM] nadaselgar: Bible names.
[3/20/2015 2:16:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: well right
[3/20/2015 2:16:07 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i mean if you didn’t know about the bible
[3/20/2015 2:16:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: and just looked at the phonetics
[3/20/2015 2:16:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: since so many people in western culture are named daniel
[3/20/2015 2:16:28 AM] nadaselgar: I literally don’t know what Hebrew phonetics even look like, so, you’ve got me tere.
[3/20/2015 2:16:30 AM] nadaselgar: **there
[3/20/2015 2:16:42 AM] Puppy Bigby: or the name Chris
[3/20/2015 2:16:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: which is greek
[3/20/2015 2:17:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: Or Mark
[3/20/2015 2:17:24 AM] Puppy Bigby: which is Old Latin
[3/20/2015 2:20:28 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): Miles is also based in Latin I believe
[3/20/2015 2:22:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: i believe so
[3/20/2015 2:22:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: not sure
[3/20/2015 2:22:40 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): millites or something – soldier
[3/20/2015 2:23:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: hm
[3/20/2015 2:23:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: checks
[3/20/2015 2:24:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: no
[3/20/2015 2:24:55 AM] Puppy Bigby: just Miles
[3/20/2015 2:25:17 AM] Puppy Bigby: millites wouldn’t be a word, i don’t think
[3/20/2015 2:25:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: and milites is the plural of soldier
[3/20/2015 2:25:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: which is just miles
[3/20/2015 2:25:31 AM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): cool
[3/20/2015 2:34:36 AM] Puppy Bigby: senpaid noticed me
[3/20/2015 2:34:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: sort of
[3/20/2015 2:34:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: kind of
[3/20/2015 2:34:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: senpai*
[3/20/2015 2:34:53 AM] Puppy Bigby: http://dedalvs.tumblr.com/post/114114587207/fenxshiral-answered-your-question-uhhh-i-know
[3/20/2015 2:37:18 AM] Puppy Bigby: your enthusiasm is astounding
[3/20/2015 2:38:30 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oh myyyy
[3/20/2015 2:39:15 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i…did not even know he was on tumblr
[3/20/2015 2:39:22 AM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, he’s been on tumblr for ages
[3/20/2015 2:39:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i’m following him now
[3/20/2015 2:39:45 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: dang. why did no one tell me this O_O
[3/20/2015 2:40:02 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: which rock have i been living under exactly
[3/20/2015 2:40:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: i actually found him when searching tumblr to see if anybody had done a project like mine on elvhen
[3/20/2015 2:40:08 AM] Puppy Bigby: back beforei started PE
[3/20/2015 2:40:13 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mm
[3/20/2015 2:40:20 AM] Puppy Bigby: and he has a post talking about he’s convinced elvhne is a cipher and blah ablh blah
[3/20/2015 2:40:29 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahh
[3/20/2015 2:40:33 AM] Puppy Bigby: http://dedalvs.tumblr.com/post/103822112136/hey-do-you-happen-to-know-if-dragon-ages-elven boop
[3/20/2015 2:41:09 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: oh yes i’ve seen this post somewhere before
[3/20/2015 2:41:48 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i was like
[3/20/2015 2:41:56 AM] Puppy Bigby: “yes! Senpai thinks it’s a cipher too! VINDICATION!”
[3/20/2015 2:42:02 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol!
[3/20/2015 2:42:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: seriously
[3/20/2015 2:42:14 AM] Puppy Bigby: i mean i may just be a fanboy
[3/20/2015 2:42:21 AM] Puppy Bigby: but i think you would be hard pressed to find a conlanger, right now
[3/20/2015 2:42:23 AM] Puppy Bigby: who’s better than him
[3/20/2015 2:42:30 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: no i completely agree
[3/20/2015 2:42:44 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: i’d be freaking out just as badly over that
[3/20/2015 2:42:45 AM] Puppy Bigby: i mean lots of people in the LCS are great
[3/20/2015 2:42:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: and i’m gonna be joining once I get my next paycheck
[3/20/2015 2:43:01 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: nice!
[3/20/2015 2:43:03 AM] Puppy Bigby: but he’s just fantastic
[3/20/2015 2:43:38 AM] Puppy Bigby: well if you are interested in conlanging
[3/20/2015 2:43:46 AM] Puppy Bigby: you are doing yourself a disservice if you don’t join the LCS
[3/20/2015 2:43:52 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: right
[3/20/2015 2:43:54 AM] Puppy Bigby: because they have so many resources at their disposal
[3/20/2015 2:43:59 AM] Puppy Bigby: especially since after Game of Thrones
[3/20/2015 2:44:04 AM] Puppy Bigby: they have become known as THE place to go
[3/20/2015 2:44:11 AM] Puppy Bigby: if you need to hire somebody to create a language
[3/20/2015 2:44:39 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: mmhmm
[3/20/2015 2:45:05 AM] Puppy Bigby: i mean i didn’t know conlanging was a thing until 2010
[3/20/2015 2:45:13 AM] Puppy Bigby: so i spent my first two years conlanging basically in a bubble
[3/20/2015 2:45:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhh
[3/20/2015 2:45:25 AM] Puppy Bigby: hence why my first two attempts are kind of crap
[3/20/2015 2:45:27 AM] Puppy Bigby: interesting
[3/20/2015 2:45:29 AM] Puppy Bigby: but kind of crap
[3/20/2015 2:47:40 AM] Puppy Bigby: my first language, Gamatsu
[3/20/2015 2:47:51 AM] Puppy Bigby: is basically “Throw random japanese morphemes together”
[3/20/2015 2:48:01 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: ahhhhh
[3/20/2015 2:48:10 AM] Puppy Bigby: ugh i’m rambling
[3/20/2015 2:48:12 AM] Puppy Bigby: i need to get to bed
[3/20/2015 2:48:22 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: lol! no worries
[3/20/2015 2:48:30 AM] Puppy Bigby: i’m gonna get to bed
[3/20/2015 2:48:31 AM] Puppy Bigby: tired
[3/20/2015 2:48:35 AM] Puppy Bigby: goodnight, everybody
[3/20/2015 2:48:37 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: hahaha i should too
[3/20/2015 2:48:41 AM] Bunan Tsokolatte: gnight!
[3/20/2015 3:06:14 AM] Helig: Goodnight. And remember. Mythal is Batman.
[3/20/2015 3:06:22 AM] Helig: Because she eats Justice
[3/20/2015 3:06:25 AM] Helig: For breakfast
[3/20/2015 12:23:53 PM] Helig: but i could see that working for elvhenan, lower classes begin breaching that if you cannot fit your wealth through an elvuian then you have too much shit
[3/20/2015 12:24:24 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I’m just
[3/20/2015 12:24:30 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): so much subjective headcanon
[3/20/2015 12:26:44 PM] Helig: pardon?
[3/20/2015 12:27:11 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): elvhenan
[3/20/2015 12:27:14 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): it’s all subjective
[3/20/2015 12:27:17 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): that’s why it’s so interesting to me
[3/20/2015 12:27:23 PM] Egg Salad Sandwich (Miles): I like seeing what other people come up with
[3/20/2015 12:27:27 PM] Helig: ah
[3/30/2015 9:53:21 PM] nadaselgar: “Isala’gara’seia’vallas: the feeling of lusting for your partner so much that you want to rub their cum into your skin”
[3/30/2015 9:53:25 PM] nadaselgar: My reaction: ….oh.
[3/30/2015 9:53:31 PM] Puppy Bigby: i have many other words like that
[3/30/2015 10:05:32 PM] Puppy Bigby: if you want them?
[3/30/2015 10:37:16 PM] nadaselgar: I remember the convo.
[3/30/2015 10:37:16 PM] nadaselgar: XD
[3/30/2015 10:37:27 PM] nadaselgar: All those words make me blush.
[3/30/2015 10:37:39 PM] Puppy Bigby: no, i have others that weren’t in that convo
[3/31/2015 4:09:00 PM] Helig: Well there it goes
[3/31/2015 4:09:13 PM] Helig: Looks how post suddenly gains notes
[3/31/2015 4:09:20 PM] Puppy Bigby: XD
[4/3/2015 9:40:18 PM] Puppy Bigby: the elvhen word for ic
[4/3/2015 9:40:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: ice
[4/3/2015 9:40:21 PM] Puppy Bigby: means hard water
[4/3/2015 9:40:24 PM] Puppy Bigby: this amuses me
[4/23/2015 11:58:18 AM] Helig: Bigby.
[4/23/2015 11:58:28 AM] Helig: Isn’t word like
[4/23/2015 11:58:31 AM] Helig:  ba'isa'ma'lin = uncle
[4/23/2015 11:58:39 AM] Helig: A bit of a mouthful
[4/23/2015 11:58:50 AM] Helig: In informal familial conversations
[4/23/2015 4:53:19 PM] Puppy Bigby: yeah, it kind of is
[4/23/2015 4:53:25 PM] Puppy Bigby: i’ve been thinking of contractions/informal
[4/24/2015 2:44:13 AM] Helig: Oooooh, sweet. Just something that came up in a discussion.
[4/25/2015 11:28:26 PM] nadaselgar: -snorts- well, there’s bim'lin. Just uses the first letters of the first three words and then Lin. It made me laugh because I think it sounds funny.
[4/25/2015 11:28:53 PM] Puppy Bigby: lol
[4/25/2015 11:28:59 PM] Puppy Bigby: i was thinking of islin for brother or short
[4/25/2015 11:29:23 PM] Puppy Bigby: ba'islin for short uncle
[4/25/2015 11:29:37 PM] Puppy Bigby: not sure though

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