Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Atri]

Rudradev ji,
Do you run a blog? If yes, I'd like to subscribe.

http://indospheric.blogspot.dk/

[krishnan]

Yeddyurappa's demand for returning to bajapa

He wants party patriarch L K Advani to be kept out of the decision-making process and Modi to take over.

Yeddyurappa wants to be made the president of the BJP's Karnataka unit. He wants the task of handpicking the candidates who will contest the Lok Sabha polls in 2014. He wants senior posts in the party for his close aides Shobha Karandlage and Dhananjay Kumar. He wants honourable entries for all those leaders who had walked out of the BJP along with him.

[Sanku]

^^^ Does he want fries with that?

[Atri]

Yeddyurappa's demand for returning to bajapa

He wants party patriarch L K Advani to be kept out of the decision-making process and Modi to take over.

Yeddyurappa wants to be made the president of the BJP's Karnataka unit. He wants the task of handpicking the candidates who will contest the Lok Sabha polls in 2014. He wants senior posts in the party for his close aides Shobha Karandlage and Dhananjay Kumar. He wants honourable entries for all those leaders who had walked out of the BJP along with him.

He should return without any conditions, if he really wishes to. BJP can sustain second position in KN for a while. But KJP should not be given more rope. What to and what not to do with LKA is matter of BJP and not Yeddi.

He is bluffing...

[Hari Seldon]

Nah... what he is saying is he's open to negotiate. Fine. Best way to resolve these issues is to put his appointment to state unit prez post to vote among the party karyakartas all the way to the zila-tehsil-gram level in KA and announce the results. Fair and square does it.

[Atri]

Pranam Rudradev Acharya... Wonderfully put..

NaMo too will face the same fate if he does not become a PM by 2015 and becomes an opposition leader in LS. The Dilli-billis have already begun to ingratiate him and lick his feet. He should be very careful here. This is where I hope Bhagwat plays the role which Rajjubhaiyya-Sudarshan could not. I am of the opinion that unless next wave is rising, NM should not stay in delhi, in case he does not become an undisputed PM (272 seats for NDA as it exists today plus few of those who will join in in spite of BJP's insistence on removal of article 370 and UCC and Ram-mandir.

[Arunkumar]

Atri, IIRC his new apphice in Gandhinagar is named Narth block. So some indication where he intends to stay after 272 is achieved. Even now he doesnt stay long in Delhi.

[nawabs]

X Post:

उत्तर प्रदेश के आधे सांसद भाजपा के संपर्क में (38 MP's from UP in search of BJP Ticket this time)

http://www.jagran.com/news/national-ove ... 33347.html

उत्तर प्रदेश को केंद्र बिंदु बनाकर मिशन 2014 में उतरी भाजपा का उत्साह पार्टी कार्यकर्ता ही नहीं दूसरे दलों के नेताओं ने भी बढ़ा दिया है। अस्सी लोकसभा सीटों वाले राज्य के अड़तीस वर्तमान सांसद भाजपा के संपर्क में हैं और उसके टिकट पर चुनाव लड़ना चाहते हैं। वैसे भाजपा नेतृत्व ने लोकसभा चुनाव के लिए लगभग 50 फीसद सीटों पर अपने उम्मीदवार तय कर लिए हैं। वहीं, पार्टी के पीएम उम्मीदवार नरेंद्र मोदी अगले महीने से राज्य का सघन दौरा करेंगे। संभव है कि हर आठ-दस दिनों के अंतर पर मोदी राज्य के किसी न किसी हिस्से में मौजूद हों।

प्रदर्शन जो भी हो, माहौल ने भाजपा के सिपहसालारों का जोश बढ़ा दिया है। खासकर मोदी के नाम की घोषणा ने हर दल के नेताओं को नई रणनीति पर विचार के लिए मजबूर कर दिया है। बीते दिनों सपा की टिकट ठुकराने वाले सोमपाल शास्त्री अकेले नहीं हैं। सूत्रों के अनुसार विभिन्न दलों के 38 सांसद भाजपा से संपर्क साधे हुए हैं। वह इस बार भाजपा से ही अपनी किस्मत आजमाना चाहते हैं। पार्टी की ओर से अभी किसी को ठोस आश्वासन नहीं दिया गया है, लेकिन हर समीकरण देखने के बाद मजबूत उम्मीदवारों पर वह दांव लगा सकती है। बताते हैं कि कई सीटों पर उम्मीदवारों के नाम तय हो गए हैं। नवंबर तक अधिकांश सीटों के प्रत्याशियों की घोषणा हो सकती है।

इसी के साथ मोदी का अभियान भी अब तेजी पकड़ने वाला है। अक्टूबर से नवंबर तक आठ-नौ रैलियां कर पूरे प्रदेश को मथने की कोशिश होगी। टीम मोदी की योजना पर काम हुआ तो आगरा, बरेली, गोरखपुर, इलाहाबाद, बनारस, बहराइच, कानपुर, मुजफ्फरनगर के आसपास कई क्षेत्रों का दौरा होगा। दौरे का कार्यक्रम इस लिहाज से बनाया जा रहा है कि वह पूरे प्रदेश में अपनी उपस्थिति दर्ज करा सकें। शुरुआत कहां से होगी, यह फिलहाल तय नहीं है, लेकिन नवंबर तक मोदी अपने पहले चरण के चुनावी अभियान का समापन लखनऊ में करेंगे।

प्रदेश में राजनीतिक कील कांटे भी कसे जाने लगे हैं। यह ध्यान रखा जा रहा है कि किसी भी संसदीय क्षेत्र में आपसी खिंचाव वोट पर भारी न पड़े। मसलन कल्याण सिंह की मौजूदगी में लोध समुदाय से यह आश्वासन ले लिया गया है कि वह भाजपा के साथ है। तो नाई, मल्लाह, निषाद, वाल्मीकि जैसे समुदायों पर भी खास नजर रखी जा रही है।

[Atri]

I wish NaMo invokes the memories of battle of bahraich in his rally.. I wish he pays homage to raja sukhdev in his speech

[krishnan]

mail him , he might just listen to your suggestions

[Muppalla]

I wish NaMo invokes the memories of battle of bahraich in his rally.. I wish he pays homage to raja sukhdev in his speech

Keep tweeting him, message/post on FB and his site. The things really reach him.

[Atri]

I wish NaMo invokes the memories of battle of bahraich in his rally.. I wish he pays homage to raja sukhdev in his speech

Keep tweeting him, message/post on FB and his site. The things really reach him.

Done that everywhere.. Lets see.. masud Gazni is a famous "dargah" of that region (ala Ajmer) and bahraich city has 40-50% pissful population. lets see.

For the unwashed abduls here - Battle of Bahraich was the landmark event in Indian history.. Indian armies under Raja Sukhdev of Shravasti descended upon armies of Salar Masood Gaznavi on 13th of june 1033 AD. By 14th, the battle was over, and every single soldier of 120,00 strong Masud's army (masud included) were slain.

India enjoyed a period of peace and freedom for next 160 years (until rise of Shahabuddhin Ghori) due to the blow dealt to invaders in this single battle.

Later Firoz Tughlaq destroyed few sun temples and converted those temples into shrine of "Ghazi Masud Salar Gaznavi" which many faithfools and dhimmi Hindus too, worship like Ajmer's shrine. What a shame. This Masud Gaznavi was participant of Mehmood Gaznavi's armies which sacked Somnath. Masud was nephew of Mehmood and was wishing establish a sultanate in North India.

This is a very stimulating story which should be known to every Hindu and patriotic Indian.

[kapilrdave]

I'm afraid people are hoping too big from NM. Exiling or jailing dynasty with its chamchas, dharmikization of media, kicking out ALL bangladeshis from desh, dramatic changes in foreign policy, nuclear testing by ignoring 123 etc. Bars are being set so very high that in all likelyhood we are setting up ourselves to be disappointed. As much as I want all of them to realize, I know that NM never did such things nor he has promised anything of that sort. It's us who are creating a la la land for ourselves, not him. In contrast to our wishes, we already see him making subtle compromises. For example, in Revari speech he kept using two words for the types of terrorism "aatankvad" and "maovad". Everyone and his aunt knows that he meant Muslim Aatankvad by "aatankvad". But he did not use the word Muslim purposely because he wants muslim votes also - at least to make a split in the polarization towards congis. There is nothing wrong in it. Afterall he is a politician and wants to win the election which is the only way he can serve Bharatmata. But my point is that this is just the beginning. He will have to do a lot more compromises AFTER becoming the PM also. Even if we go by his rule in Gujarat, he did absolutely nothing of the sort that we type in here in our A/C chambers. In GJ, ALL the print media keeps venoming about him on daily basis even today. He did nothing to suppress them. No corrupt congi has been jailed or booked. There are bangladeshi colonies built in Ahmedabad since years. I know that he being CM can't do anything with them but he has never uttered even a word about them till date. Contrary to general perception, he really didn't do any particular favor to Hindus in 2002 riots but did everything to restore peace - Gives an idea why Togadia has problem with him. His record says that he promises only what he wants to do, and he does only what he promised. So one should listen to his speeches and look forward to his agenda rather than imagining moon ourselves. I doubt that he will touch article 370 or Ram Mandir issues also. At best, he will try to resolve the Ram Mandir issue with mutual agreement of both communities.

That said, he has his own way of dealing with the things. He used all democratic ways to destroy congress in GJ (inducting Radalia was part of this). He brought a new "supposedly" BJP favoring newspaper to counter old anti BJP types. Unfortunately that paper drifted from the path and became camaleon.

I'm personally convinced that he will work only for development while trying everything to make dynasty ineffective and irrelevant. Whatever he does beyond that will be a bonus. Regarding bangladesh, he has already said multiple times that the border should be closed for them so we can expect at least that much from him. In Revari he supported indigenization of arms so that is also something we can hope from him. Apart from that, he will work towards bettering the all aspects of governance. Alas, he never promised to bring back the black money, something that I expect him to do. IMO, NM will go into history as ABV++.

PS: This is the last chance for religion of peace and religion of love to co-exist happily in Bharat. If NM is failed then, as (IIRC) Atri ji once said, it will be the time for Savarkar who will wipe them out of the land. Bharat and Sanatan Dharma will - as it has throughout the history - survive no matter what.

[harbans]

^ A good first performance from NM will and should ultimately finish the INC-Nehruvian model. That itself will be the biggest breaking of shackles. The next will be single minded focus not on slogans like Garibi Hatao but real development of assets and infrastructure. If by 2020 NM can achieve for us a 8Trillion USD economy we should have wiped out most poverty and made India a middle class country. That will get the new Modi model you may say 400 plus seats in the elections post 2020. With that kind of record, the real difficult things one wishes to accomplish will get done. For Art 370 and stuff we need 400 plus seats. You don't get their with some 200 odd. And you get to 400 when India is a middle level country and got a 8 T USD economy. That is when it all really starts to make a difference. NM is the initiator after all these decades of loss.

[kapilrdave]

^^ Exactly. IMO That's the plan of NM and RSS.

[Atri]

I'm personally convinced that he will work only for development while trying everything to make dynasty ineffective and irrelevant. Whatever he does beyond that will be a bonus. Regarding bangladesh, he has already said multiple times that the border should be closed for them so we can expect at least that much from him. In Revari he supported indigenization of arms so that is also something we can hope from him. Apart from that, he will work towards bettering the all aspects of governance. Alas, he never promised to bring back the black money, something that I expect him to do. IMO, NM will go into history as ABV++.

PS: This is the last chance for religion of peace and religion of love to co-exist happily in Bharat. If NM is failed then, as (IIRC) Atri ji once said, it will be the time for Savarkar who will wipe them out of the land. Bharat and Sanatan Dharma will - as it has throughout the history - survive no matter what.

Plus 1 to Kapil ji and harbans ji..

All I wish from him is change the electoral laws of India make correct military and financial decisions. If he can introduce the concept of Primaries in every seat thus abolishing the vote-banks for good, his job is done. Other things (abolishing FSB and NREGA type q-tiyapas) and give a good governance comes naturally to him. He will not drift away from good governance. That is his rajdharma and he will follow that IF he comes to power in 2014.

Everything has its time. All this IF he becomes a PM in 2014. As I have repeatedly said, NaMo is at the best an Arjuna. He is not Yudhishthira who is being protected OR yet to show himself. everyone in MH, Krishna-Arjuna-Bhima included were expendable to protect Yudhishthira. At worst, NaMo is the Ghatotkacha who will take the Indrashakti on him.

Savarkar type memes are beginning to be uttered in the heartlands of Ganga valley. All this is going to stir up the comatose Magadha and KG-basin.

[member_22539]

Done that everywhere.. Lets see.. masud Gazni is a famous "dargah" of that region (ala Ajmer) and bahraich city has 40-50% pissful population. lets see.

For the unwashed abduls here - Battle of Bahraich was the landmark event in Indian history.. Indian armies under Raja Sukhdev of Shravasti descended upon armies of Salar Masood Gaznavi on 13th of june 1033 AD. By 14th, the battle was over, and every single soldier of 120,00 strong Masud's army (masud included) were slain.

India enjoyed a period of peace and freedom for next 160 years (until rise of Shahabuddhin Ghori) due to the blow dealt to invaders in this single battle.

Later Firoz Tughlaq destroyed few sun temples and converted those temples into shrine of "Ghazi Masud Salar Gaznavi" which many faithfools and dhimmi Hindus too, worship like Ajmer's shrine. What a shame. This Masud Gaznavi was participant of Mehmood Gaznavi's armies which sacked Somnath. Masud was nephew of Mehmood and was wishing establish a sultanate in North India.

This is a very stimulating story which should be known to every Hindu and patriotic Indian.

It is as if these great victories of Hinduism and Hindus have been wiped out from the history books. We must make an effort to revive these memories and the pride they rightfully give us. There is a reason why India is not a Islamic cesspool and this is why, not some random mercy some money hungry Sultan bestowed on us.

[Atri]

Atriji, who do you think this candidate will be? Has to be someone already that the people are familiar with.
If it is one of the D4, this is a very plausible theory. Else, I don't understand how it could be anything but a compromise situation if they fall short of a majority based on pre-poll alliances.

Most folks I speak with on a daily basis want to vote for the administrator, not the party. So, unless we're planning for the post-poll scenario it is difficult for me to grasp the full extent of your indication.

PS: Not questioning your line of thought - trying to understand it.

When I talk about Yudhishthira, I am not talking in current time-frame, Marten ji.. The candidate OR candidates will be the ones born AFTER 1975-80. When that generation starts coming en-masse as contenders of top-jobs in industry, bureaucracy, politics and other spheres of life, is when the change will be visible. That is 10-15 years from now.

This requires a totally different mindset, Marten ji. Savarkar type memes will unleash a Parshurama in India. Perhaps kids who are born in last and this decade would be the real harbingers of the change which Kapil ji and harbans ji are talking about.

[KJo]

Has anyone here emailed Namo and gotten a reply?

[SwamyG]

It will be a sad day for BJP when BSY returns to BJP after stabbing it brazenly during the last elections. Hopefully Modi does not succumb.

[Shanmukh]

It will be a sad day for BJP when BSY returns to BJP after stabbing it brazenly during the last elections. Hopefully Modi does not succumb.

While this is true and I share the sentiment, the fact remains that Yeddy has destroyed all leaders of any significance within the Karnataka BJP. Simply put, for the time being, there is no alternative to him.

[fanne]

Many people have written to Namo and gotten reply. Before 20004, supposedly you could have gotten a hand written reply (may really signed by the man), lately it is all typed and signature stamped.

[Gus]

It will be a sad day for BJP when BSY returns to BJP after stabbing it brazenly during the last elections. Hopefully Modi does not succumb.

greater good man..greater good. that matters more than a principled defeat.

[SaiK]

^^^ Does he want fries with that?

added with coke and asprin.

[kmkraoind]

Congress is leading us to national catastrophe - Meenakshi Lekhi in Firstpost

Worth reading in full. It seems NaMo' accent has given fresh breath to BJP, leaders and cadre. Has Sushma Swaraj had shown such aggression, the situation might be quite different.

Instead of solving problems, it has been tinkering with unnecessary things like coins. In 2004, the Congress-led UPA government changed the Indian coin by replacing the agricultural symbol of “wheat barley” with a “folded-palm-depicting-thumb”.

Chronologically, the main considerations influencing the “coinage policy” in India have been the incorporation of symbols of “sovereignty” and “indigenous motifs on independence”. Only god knows what significance an “angutha” or a “thenga” has to the theme of independence, unless it was meant to give free publicity to the Congress party’s election symbol of the hand. Perhaps the symbol was meant to convey a “thumbs down” to the rupee. The Indian rupee has become the world’s worst performing currency. In 2006, the second year of UPA-1, a two-rupee coin was also issued depicting an “equal-armed cross with the beams divided into two rays and with dots between adjacent beams”, resembling a religious European symbol of deniers issued by Louis the Pious. Such acts depict an arrogant regime’s oppressive attitude towards its citizens. Should I call it economic colonisation by vested international interests, which the Congress seems to represent? Be it naming of cities, statues, bridges or any public property, the Congress party uses taxpayers’ money to build and name them after their leaders. A covert form of indoctrination, advertising and imposition of its image into the national mindset.

The government, working on a strategy involving blaming others for it’s the economy’s misfortunes, has sheepishly devised two excuses for bad economic performance – global economic conditions” and “obstructionist opposition” . But has there been any era when there were no global economic problems? Yes, currently there is a serious crisis in Syria, previously there was anarchy in Libya, then there were wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there was a recession in US followed by the 2011 eurozone downturn. Why do we imagine that something will not be wrong in some part of the world? International problems have always happened in the past and will always happen in future too. Therefore to make a stable global scenario a pre-condition to India’s economic growth simply is too naïve.

Finance Minister P Chidambaram claims that because the US dollar is becoming stronger, the Indian rupee is drifting along with currencies of many other countries. There were grave, if not graver, problems even during 1999-2004. Have we forgotten the Pokharan nuclear tests and the resultant worldwide sanctions, the attack on the World Trade Centre in the US, followed by war in Afghanistan, the Kargil war, the great tsunami, and the 1997 Asian financial crisis? Unlike today, the post-Pokharan sanctions were directly aimed at us. Did the then government, under the leadership of Atal Behari Vajpayee, take refuge behind the veil of global problems? Unfortunately, the present leadership displays genius only for manufacturing excuses instead of working for solutions. Between 2 May and 28 August, the Indian rupee plunged 28 percent while the Sri Lankan rupee fell only 5.5 percent, the Pakistani rupee 5.6 percent and the Indonesian rupiah 12.27 percent. Why did we fare so badly if all our problems are the result of global issues? Surely, the same global issues were there for everybody?

[SwamyG]

It will be a sad day for BJP when BSY returns to BJP after stabbing it brazenly during the last elections. Hopefully Modi does not succumb.

While this is true and I share the sentiment, the fact remains that Yeddy has destroyed all leaders of any significance within the Karnataka BJP. Simply put, for the time being, there is no alternative to him.

I believe Modi is different and is a capable alternate. There comes a time, when one takes a stance and draw lines on the sands. If he was wrongly removed from BJP, he could very well not sworn to defeat BJP. BSY proved he is a man of vengeance and will place self above a cause, ideology or party. INC will make this is a referendum on Modi, and other players will be sidelined. 2014 is not about the scams of INC, it is about can Modi govern BJP and India.

Will a Narendraayana be written? If yes, places and players would want to be part of it.

[Hari Seldon]

Am watching Ganesh Nimmajanams in Tank Bund on Saptagiri tv (telugu channel).

Couple of instances where alongside the huge Ganesh statue was a small namo statue also made....

kinda dipstick analysis of sorts but seems like a wave to moi untrained eye...

[SaiK]

i agree with mr gin on bs y

[ramana]

SaiK, Do you think Chanakya was wrong to seek Porus help for Chandragupta to overthrow the Nandas?

[Shanmukh]

SaiK, Do you think Chanakya was wrong to seek Porus help for Chandragupta to overthrow the Nandas?

No, Ramana-ji. I will hold my nose and vote BJP. But I honestly hope they keep some disinfectant outside the voting booths this time. I will need to wash my hands after voting Yeddy or his minions.

[sudarshan]

Maybe not for the situation in his times. But his precedent would have been used dozens of times by later kings to align with Islamics/Europeans to get a leg-up on their neighbors.

But in this case, I do believe Yeddy has a lot to contribute.

[KJo]

SaiK, Do you think Chanakya was wrong to seek Porus help for Chandragupta to overthrow the Nandas?

I think we should call him by his Bharatiya name which is "Purushottama". Unfortunately we in Bharat call him by what the foreigners called him probably because they could not pronounce his name. Our textbooks follow suit.
It's only recently that I found out what his real name was. But I always used to wonder because "Porus"does not sound Indian.

[harbans]

Hard to imagine some descendent of his maybe running in an ankle high salwar with a beard and a rocket launcher..yelling Jihaaad!

[harbans]

Gehlot addresses rally and people bust into Namo chants..

http://m.amarujala.com/news/states/raja ... lot-rally/

गहलोत के भाषण में लगे मोदी ज‌िंदाबाद के नारे 0

राजस्थान के मुख्यमंत्री अशोक गहलोत के भाषण के दौरान नरेंद्र मोदी के समर्थन में जमकर नारे लगे। भाषण के बाद गहलोत तुंरत वहां से चले गए।

राजस्थान युवा बोर्ड, युवा मामले व खेल विभाग की ओर से बुधवार को जयपुर के अमरूदों के बाग में आयोजित युवा महोत्सव में हुई इस घटना के बाद मुख्यमंत्री के हाव-भाव ही बदल गए और वह तुरंत भाषण समाप्त कर रवाना हो गए।

[Satya_anveshi]

I think we should call him by his Bharatiya name which is "Purushottama".

Same with Hemu - his full name was Hema Chandra Vikramaditya.

[Rudradev]

I think we should call him by his Bharatiya name which is "Purushottama".

Same with Hemu - his full name was Hema Chandra Vikramaditya.

Absolutely. It is ironic that in my NCERT history textbook, the foreigner Jalaluddin was referred to by the honorific "Akbar" ("The Great")... while his Indian opponent was referred to by the contemptuous diminutive "Hemu" (as one might call the chai-walla boy: "Ramu","Shyamu" etc.)

In fact, if Hemchandra Vikramaditya had won at Panipat II... he might very well have become the Zhu Yuanzhang of India, tossing out the Islamic Central Asians and restoring Bharatiya rule for several more centuries.

[disha]

Gehlot addresses rally and people bust into Namo chants..

http://m.amarujala.com/news/states/raja ... lot-rally/

Full translation below:

During Rajasthan's CM Ashok Gehlot's speech., slogans supporting Modi were strongly(जमकर) shouted(लगे)! Gehlot left immediately after speech.

Convened by Rajasthan Youth board, youth affairs and sports department on Wednesday in Jaipur's Amroodon ka bagh to celebrate Youth Mahotsav, after this incident CM's behaviour changed completely and he left immediately after speech.

As soon as CM reached the stage, right from there the youth started slogans like "Modi Zindabad". However the tempo/echo/amplitude/resonance (गूंज) was swift when CM started his speech.

CM talked about Congress Govt's schemes and works among the slogans. With him on the stage were youth affairs & sports minister Mangi Lal Garasia and Haryana's legislature's member Ashok Tanwar.

Police, Youth Congress and others associated with the event worked hard to stop the sloganeering, but could not stop the slogans coming from all sides.

Hope the above translates into votes and into seats in national elections!

[vishvak]

Will con race deliver its promise of reducing prices in 100 days now - secular or not - since about the same is remaining.

[RamaY]

Will con race deliver its promise of reducing prices in 100 days now - secular or not - since about the same is remaining.

Do you remember MMS' promise to bring back black money in 100 days before 2009 elections? I wish moderators kept that 100day plan of MMS that I posted.

[Ashok Sarraff]

Previously, I mentioned my informal survey among Telgu GRAs from Seemandhra and Telangana that suggested overwhelming support for Namo among the Telgu student community. I conducted a similar informal survey in rural Maharashtra with predominantly NCP voters. My opinion is that there's a big wave favoring Modi in rural Maha too. Sample size was in single digits in both cases, so take my conclusion with a pinch of salt .