Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 27 Nov 2008 08:07

sunilUpa wrote:Jeez,,NDTV shows the snipers deployed on Gateway of India

Along the same lines Headline Today reported that the Terrorists reported clebrations when they heard that the ATS Chief was killed. How did the news agency know this - becuse they were told or overherd that the cellphone calls were tapped into by the police. So either the Police or the News organizations or both are guilty of not observing some basic protocol here in thier crazed scamble to cover this mega event..
The news organizations esp have to mature a lot - the browbeating of the hostages when they finally made it out of the hotel was esp bad to watch. No empathy for the poor people who just spent the last 6 hours goign thru the most horrendous expericnce of thier lives ... just questions after questions like it was a fashon event..
Compare that to the CNN anchor who empathized with the person first and foremost and then more importantly knew when to let the person go..
But they will learn ...
This thing has a long way to go before it is over.. The good guys have to clear the building floor by floor room by room.. all the time fearing for thier own lives knowing they have lost at least 3 of thier own top guys... They are nothing short of heros. I hope we recogonize them and salute them when this bloody battle comes to an end...
We are going to loose some more of them I am afraid before this long night and day is over...

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 08:07

sunilUpa wrote:How come phones are still working inside Taj? NDTV is talking to a Mr.Deepak inside Taj.

NDTV needs to be more sensitive rather than just focusing on their own ratings. I see they are also revealing some of the strategic positions the army has placed themselves in.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:08

There will be lot of happiness and joy combined with undisguised glee and handrubbing by the Paki columnists, just watch yawn and dung.

Chicom will be the happiest
Unkil will use this to drum 'Cashmere should be solved for Ashcanistan to be stabilised'
Pakis will gloat, ISI will be holding zamzam cola sessions to celebrate the Taj event

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Nov 2008 08:09

Gunshots heard just now in Trident. Then explosion. Hostage situation. More gunshots as I write this. 5 to 6 shots.

amit · Post by **amit** » 27 Nov 2008 08:09

SSridhar wrote:I think that an elaborate ruse has been built up in the last month or so to throw the scent off and then commit this horrible crime. It is now so easy to sow seeds of doubt as to who could have committed this crime. That was the plan and ISI is deeply involved in this.

Sridhar,

Very perceptive.

For example from Manu's post above:

ROBERT BROADFOOT, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC RISK CONSULTANCY (PERC) IN HONG KONG.

"This attack seems to me to have the hallmarks of one of the younger indigenous groups, the Indian Mujahedeen or one of their offshoots.
"This was a well-planned, carefully co-ordinated, almost army-style operation. It's very different from a set of indiscriminate suicide bombings. The style of this attack is very different, particularly the specific targeting of foreigners."

This idiot is trying to pontificate that Abdul's from across the border use crude bombs and indiscriminate suicide attacks.

And since this is a coordinated attack it must be Indian in origin. Now just wait for an Indian Army connection to be theorized since the Army has already mentioned through the Purohit case.

A paradigm shift is being made and our security folks don't even realise that as our politicos try to play vote bank politics by emphasising on the alleged "Hindu" connection .

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Nov 2008 08:10

CRamS wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Deepak Chopra, on CNN, betraying India.

He states it is a global problem. He says it is opportunity for Obama. Reminds of Hindu fundamentalism in Gujarat.
But his later statements seem a bit redeeming. He said its not enough for TSP to condemn, but rather root out the scum it harbours. He also said its not enough for west to worry about westerners alone (that seems to be the tone of the coverage, only SDREs attacked till now, but suddenly us goras are also targetted), but should condemn the killing of every life by TSP scum.

But I agree, he was trying to be overly politically correct with his BS abou Hindu fundamentalism.

I could not take any more, so switched to Fox News, which is still covering the event.

How could these guys with so many big backpacks get into all these places?

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 08:11

shyamd wrote:Gunshots heard just now in Trident. Then explosion. Hostage situation. More gunshots as I write this. 5 to 6 shots.

They all look like post-pubescent "kids" - brainwashed nonetheless in their search of 72 virgins.

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 27 Nov 2008 08:12

Comments on Fox news
danny coulson
former hostage rescue unit

.> horrible intelligence failure
.> classic terrorist operation textbook finish
.> terrorist wanted to show that india{/governemnt} is impotent and they did that
.> i will promise u this, lot of them got away

These are his words:
Now everybody things indian govt is impotent

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 27 Nov 2008 08:13

For folks talking about the economic consequences, I suggest you plot economic growth, FDI inflows, FII inflows and another other relevant macroeconomic parameter of interest against a timeline of terrorist attacks and see if there's any correlation. My own perspective is that there's none, besides localized blips. Yes, this attack will have economic consequences but please don't paint such dire and unnecessary pictures.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 27 Nov 2008 08:13

Murugan wrote: NSG could not reach amritsar in time when Kandahar Hijack happened, now we have NSG in mumbai while the Army & Navy commandos have done 70% of jobs.

IIRC during that hijack the NSG team was ready in the plane but was waiting for the civil servant to join it. Could not fly without the negotiator.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2008 08:13

Nayak wrote:Don't know how true it is, but Stratfor says the boats are registered in Pakistan.

Come on, does anyone doubt that this was a TSP operation. The questions henceforth political and selfish motives. US/west will be happy once all their hostages are released unharmed, and thereafter it will be hand off. However, if the western hostages are harmed, then it depends upon whether or not US will publicly indite TSP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Nov 2008 08:15

SSridhar wrote:I think that an elaborate ruse has been built up in the last month or so to throw the scent off and then commit this horrible crime. It is now so easy to sow seeds of doubt as to who could have committed this crime. That was the plan and ISI is deeply involved in this.

Doesn't that mean GoI is involved? Definitely ISI could not have created the ruse. It could only be GoI.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 27 Nov 2008 08:15

Indian Imams should issue a fatwa that these dead terrorists should be burried with pigs, depriving them of their virgins.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Nov 2008 08:15

Two more shots of the ********.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Nov 2008 08:16

I would like to thank past and current 'great leaders' and 'intellectuals' of India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2008 08:16

Would people kindly stop this idiotic cursing of our securitymen just like our secular political parties do?

Thanks for any cooperation in this regard.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:17

I am cynical, so one more bomb blast, some unfortunate souls got killed, media got it's TRP ratings, the govt looked incompetent as always, the cops will muck up the investigation, no one will get arrested, no convictions will happen, the public will suffer silently, life goes on as usual.

Within a week, we will be back wondering which bahu will betray the saasu-ma, why is my favourite singer not getting enough SMSes to win the Indian Idol, will Sachin score another century ?

----yaaaawwwnnn----

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 08:17

Shooting at Taj.. Lots of Ambulances rushing to Taj.

mohanty · Post by **mohanty** » 27 Nov 2008 08:17

Reporter in CNN is saying an Army operation might happen. But most are just not sure what is happening or even happened.

MMS is about to wake up soon now that it is morning. Patil's suit and face cream on the way to Mumbai for news conference.

Patil in Mumbai. Must have been hard waking up in the middle of the night.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/27h ... mumbai.htm

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2008 08:18

sampat wrote:Indian Imams should issue a fatwa that these dead terrorists should be burried with pigs, depriving them of their virgins.

Can you point me to any news that says that they are Muslims? Any names?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2008 08:18

This may be another trial run for Muslim terrorists before they do same in WEST? It has happened before and may happen again. There are many Pakistani Muslims who live in Europe , US who might get inspired to under take such terrorits act in the cities they reside in.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 27 Nov 2008 08:18

rgsrini
:

You want Muslims to support/help the government to catch criminals amongst their midst. How and why would they do it if you brand the whole community as terrorists every time a bomb goes off somewhere?

There are many like yourself who do separate terrorists and Muslim society - so Muslims must be hearing your voices too! And what better way to prove that they have no sympathies for terrorists in the face of such "suspicion" than to actually collaborate with state authorities to help nab "criminals"?

The encounter inside the Taj has started. It looks like at least the Taj encounters are entering the final phases.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 08:19

How could these guys with so many big backpacks get into all these places?

There is no way to prevent these types of attacks where mad men spray bullets openly on civilians, with complete disregard to their lives.

This includes the USA as we have seen several shoot outs in schools, universities, post offices, public places. For eg., there is no security what so ever in any of the US airports to enter into the checkin lobby. If some mad man decides to carry a gun and spray on all the passengers checking in, there is no way to prevent it. Same thing with the hospitals or the hotels or any of the public places.

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 27 Nov 2008 08:19

CCN : all guests reportedly evacuated from Taj

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 27 Nov 2008 08:20

SwamyG wrote:
CRamS wrote:

They were interviewing KS Prabhu of India Today on this and the speculation is that these guys showed up in speed boats and made thier way from there. He said that the security around the Taj was exetensive just a few days agao and was relaxed for some unknow reson and these terrorists sumcbags were monitoring this and took advantage of this.. They were very well organized.
On the international peception of this - make no mistake Massa and the rest are viewing this very sriously as Alqeeda oepration with coop from the indian mujaheeds - why ? becuse of the targetted nature of the hostage taking (luxury hotels and massa type hostages only please) and the attacks with Guns and Granades. The home grown indian style thus far has been all about bombs...
Hence the intellegence breifing to both Bush and Obama and thier quick condemmnation and offer to help and all that jazz...
It should be very interesting if we get some of these guys alive... A lot of interestign stuff will come out then..

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 08:20

sampat wrote:Indian Imams should issue a fatwa that these dead terrorists...

This is the time the Indian Imams should be pressurized (by the government - covertly or otherwise) for a fatwa against such terrorism from happening again - whatever the cause. It will also demonstrate were their (Imams) allegiances lie. But I am sure they will revert to their "lies" of being victims in India instead.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 27 Nov 2008 08:20

shiv wrote:
sampat wrote:Indian Imams should issue a fatwa that these dead terrorists should be burried with pigs, depriving them of their virgins.
Can you point me to any news that says that they are Muslims? Any names?

Only reference I see is this - on previous page:

Rohit_K wrote:
kid on CNN from Turkey says that his parents were sent back into their rooms(in the Taj) and were assured by the terrorists that nothing will happen to them since they are muslims.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:21

<conspiracy-nut-hat-on>
This operation could have been done by the evil-conniving-buddhists hain ? ROP does not sanction killing of innocents-ji. Dontcha know that bunch of un-educated, unwashed imaams passed a fatwa that it is unislamic to do so ?

Islam means religion of peace, anybody who kill, is not a follower of religion of peace.

<conspiracy-nut-hat-off>

I think this was done by disgruntled elements/bhaiyyas from the friendly state of Bihar.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 08:21

Large number of people have come out of Taj..

BTW if the pigs came by boat (rubber inflatables), there must be a mothership no?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Nov 2008 08:22

TV is totally useless. better updates here. one channel shows a tall building and says oberoi, another shows the same and says trident.
they cant even converge on which hotel!

"live tv" shows a bunch of foreigners being evacuated from the taj, there
is still a huge amt of people milling around on the front entrance, infact I saw some of them actually going inside.

the english cricket team allegedly stayed at Taj two weeks ago, hence
the additional security then.

the roof fire is out and smoke now. fire ladder is gone.

the encounters are going to stretch into the evening, perhaps ending tonight only. the oberoi seems to be a narrow building and very tall , not easy to imagine how the hostage rescue can take place. perhaps a helicopter drop on the roof can be tried - at night?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:23

Is there a team to 'debrief' the escaped hostages on what is happening inside ?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:25

Mir Jaffer being interviewed in CNN.

I wish his Indian citizenship be revoked, and he should be declared persona-non-grata.

OISEAULE

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... ra.mumbai/

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Nov 2008 08:26

In should be searching hard for the mother ship. The ship had 12 hours to make a run for TSP now, I do not know if it made it back, but if not, IN should not let it go unscatched.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Nov 2008 08:26

forget it buddy. some of the westerners seen on TV had already lost their mental balance. you could see them cowering and trying to dig into the earth while fire bgd, police and some local guests stood up calmly nearby.
they will be in talkable state only after a bottle of drink as indeed one
british fellow says his buddy did after escaping to his local office from the taj.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 27 Nov 2008 08:27

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... olved.html

700 people have died and not a single conviction has happened.

"This fault line of disaffected Indian Muslims is one that is being cynically exploited by people from outside to execute their deathly aims" retired Birgadier Arun Sahgal said. Little is being done by the authorities to contain it, he added.

After each attack police deployment across major cities is heightened, random checks on traffic stepped up and metal detectors and close circuit televisions hastily installed in shopping malls, railway stations and other public places.

But one senior security analyst, who declined to be named, said these actions were ineffective. The only things such measures achieved, he said, was traffic jams and inconveniencing commuters. No terrorist had ever been arrested in these checks and not a single bomb recovered, he added.

"There has to be some coherence in the national response to terrorism and only then can we devise tactics for an appropriate response," said Ajay Sahni of the Institute of Conflict Management in Delhi. Until that happens, we have to merely sit and wait till for the next terrorist strike, he warned.

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 08:27

fanne wrote:In should be searching hard for the mother ship. The ship had 12 hours to make a run for TSP now, I do not know if it made it back, but if not, IN should not let it go unscatched.

Probably docked in Pakistan already?

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 08:28

Considering that there are more than 500 rooms spread over 15+ stories, it will take lots of time to declare all clear. They will have to check each room, closet, corridor.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Nov 2008 08:29

brihaspati wrote: The encounter inside the Taj has started. It looks like at least the Taj encounters are entering the final phases.

My fear is that a lot of hostage foreigners-Americans and Britishers-are being murdered right now. The terrorists might have been hoping to negotiate their release with a groveling GoI but seeing the army/marcos/nsg are doing what they were going to do anyway.

I read somewhere that a terrorist asked a gora where he came from and let him go when he said he was Italian. Another Britisher lied and said he was French and was also let go. Very deliberate targeting of Americans and British is designed to scare away 80% of foreign exchange inflow.

jkarthik · Post by **jkarthik** » 27 Nov 2008 08:29

Boats is why Raman is worrying about Nuclear Establishments. Plus, TV streamers here say 5-6 still at large, over 50 terrorists landed in 2 boats etc.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 08:30

LOL CNN Mclaughin is at it again 150+mill muslims, at the bottom of the economic ladder.